Re: [Vo]:what our post industrial society may look like

2010-08-09 Thread Esa Ruoho
Jones, what is a Mac job? iPoni sent dis message. Esa Ruoho wrote it. On 8 Aug 2010, at 18:57, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: From: fznidar...@aol.com the end of Mac-jobs, and the end of despair for middle class youth who have no real future.

[Vo]:A prominent CQM (BL) critic capitulates

2010-08-09 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
It was brought to my attention the apparent fact that a prominent critic of R. Mills CQM theory, John Connett (aka Nora Baron - from the old Yahoo Hydrino group) has recently apologized to Randy for criticizing certain mathematical aspects of his CQM theory. I haven't found the direct source but

Re: [Vo]:A prominent CQM (BL) critic capitulates

2010-08-09 Thread John Berry
I do not think I have EVER heard of a skeptic/critic ever change their mind and apologize, for anything! It's not even anything I ever expected to see. What ever next? On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 1:52 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: It was brought to my

Re: [Vo]:A prominent CQM (BL) critic capitulates

2010-08-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
John Berry wrote: I do not think I have EVER heard of a skeptic/critic ever change their mind and apologize, for anything! Neither have I. It is remarkable. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:A prominent CQM (BL) critic capitulates

2010-08-09 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
The original retraction from John Connett appears to be out at HSG Hydrino Study Group Forum, maintained by Luke Setzer (my apologies for misspelling Luke's last name): http://forum.hydrino.org/viewtopic.php?f=5t=312sid=851e1815295c5d93648887358ed4869f Luke replied: I am locking and stickying

RE: [Vo]:what our post industrial society may look like

2010-08-09 Thread Jones Beene
From: Esa Ruoho …. what is a Mac job? This is my misspelled version of the entry-level service job in the USA – usually in food service: i.e. McDonalds. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McJob From: John Berry ….Ok, I'm missing something here, how does having robotic factories give

RE: [Vo]:A prominent CQM (BL) critic capitulates

2010-08-09 Thread Jones Beene
In all fairness - has Randy ever apologized, or even lamely rationalized to his few ardent supporters, his specific plan for a demonstration unit of the gas phase (micro-turbine) device in six months? I am referring of course to the infamous Art Rosenblum interview of 1997. Seems to me that the

Re: [Vo]:A prominent CQM (BL) critic capitulates

2010-08-09 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
From Jones: In all fairness - has Randy ever apologized, or even lamely rationalized to his few ardent supporters, his specific plan for a demonstration unit of the gas phase (micro-turbine) device in six months? I am referring of course to the infamous Art Rosenblum interview of 1997.

Re: [Vo]:A prominent CQM (BL) critic capitulates

2010-08-09 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 12:03 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: I, too, wait with baited breath for results long overdue, results predicted to come from Mills Co. They sold their first license to produce using BLP tech in Dec. 2008. This year they began selling

RE: [Vo]:A prominent CQM (BL) critic capitulates

2010-08-09 Thread Roarty, Francis X
I am still a fence sitter at HSG but just wish Mills would get the same treatment as Arata-Zhang, Haisch-Moddel and other researchers in this field. The Mills GUT may or may not be correct but it is obvious from results that he is on a similar path to other researchers and certainly doesn't

Re: [Vo]:A prominent CQM (BL) critic capitulates

2010-08-09 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
From Fran: I am still a fence sitter at HSG but just wish Mills would get the same treatment as Arata-Zhang, Haisch-Moddel and other researchers in this field. The Mills GUT may or may not be correct but it is obvious from results that he is on a similar path to other researchers and

RE: [Vo]:A prominent CQM (BL) critic capitulates

2010-08-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: Seems to me that the Mills' fanboys are due (long overdue) an apology after 13 years of waiting to see this demo, or at least at a minimum to know what happened to delay it? ... I do not know if an apology is called for. Anyone can be late with fundamental research. But I

[Vo]:A latent problem with the BLP agenda

2010-08-09 Thread Jones Beene
Since Monday seems to be 'dish on BLP' day on Vortex, let me add one curious detail. Seldom mentioned, but potentially glaring in the context of intellectual property. No matter how great the new BLP Reactor turns out to be when it finally arrives - there is one fact that hardly anyone can

RE: [Vo]:A prominent CQM (BL) critic capitulates

2010-08-09 Thread Mike Carrell
Jed, and Jones Beene once again demonstrate the perils of a failure to do homework. Jed is forthright in his non-understanding of Mills' moves, and Jones is stuck with a collection of long-ago forward-looking statements by Mills as his work progressed. Jones has broad-based knowledge but he has

Re: [Vo]:A latent problem with the BLP agenda

2010-08-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: Can anyone site any experiment done anywhere by anyone – comparing hydrogen with deuterium on a lattice catalyst - where the hydrogen performed better? I do not know if anyone ever tested Patterson's beads with anything other than light water. I will ask Cravens. But it

RE: [Vo]:A latent problem with the BLP agenda

2010-08-09 Thread Mike Carrell
Jed, precisely what did Soejima do, and what did Mizuno replicate? Mills has identified several catalytic, exothermic, hydrino-producing reactions involving **only hydrogen**. The reactions are three-body, so that they are significant only where there is a high density of H [or D] atoms. Such is

RE: [Vo]:A prominent CQM (BL) critic capitulates

2010-08-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mike Carrell wrote: In my personal contacts with Mills I have seen no arrogance, just confidence in his own insight. Criticism without the work of understanding is itself 'arrogance'. Oh come now, Mike. If you do not see arrogance in the attitudes expressed by Mills, you need a refresher

RE: [Vo]:A latent problem with the BLP agenda

2010-08-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mike Carrell wrote: Jed, precisely what did Soejima do, and what did Mizuno replicate? It is described in considerable detail in Mizuno's papers and slides. There are critical temperatures and so on, first described by Soejima, and later confirmed by Mizuno. As far as I know the isotope of

[Vo]:Cravens comments on the need for heavy water

2010-08-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
I asked Dennis Cravens (D2) if he recalls whether Patterson's beads worked better with heavy water. My question and his response is below. I concur with his belief that H is a poison in the gas loaded Pd system, and I would say in the pure Pd electrolysis system as well. - - - - - - - - - - - - -

RE: [Vo]:Cravens comments on the need for heavy water

2010-08-09 Thread Jones Beene
Just so we are clear on this, EarthTech and others who showed no excess heat with the CETI beads used DI water (distilled) but not heavy water. Miley got positive results with D2O. As Dennis says pure heavy water is essential with Pd, bulk or gas loading nano-particles. Therefore there is

Re: [Vo]:what our post industrial society may look like

2010-08-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: The new paradigm for a factory job, and there can be tens of millions of this type of job - will be to own, maintain, and supervise a handful of industrial robots 24/7. We can give every worker a personal stake in this by forcing business to give equity stakes to workers

Re: [Vo]:Cravens comments on the need for heavy water

2010-08-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: The fact that H is a poison for D does not change that conclusion – in fact it reinforces the conclusion, AFAIK? Only for Pd as far as I know. Assuming the reported excess heat from Ti and Ni is real, I have not heard that these work better with heavy hydrogen. - Jed

RE: [Vo]:Cravens comments on the need for heavy water

2010-08-09 Thread Jones Beene
BTW - having reread the EarthTech report, with the advantage of hindsight -where they used DI water, we should remember (if I am not mistaken) that this is made by passing water through ion exchange columns, one of which can contain sodium hydroxide.