Re: [Vo]: Where did the heat go?

2016-08-14 Thread Giovanni Santostasi
Here a picture and information about the "customer" warehouse. It is only 6000 square feet and the height is 20 feet. Let's do a Fermi problem to see what is needed to get read of 1 MW dump in this spaciove. By the way 1 MW can power easily 1000 houses. Giovanni http://warehousespaces.com/wareho

Re: [Vo]: Where did the heat go?

2016-08-14 Thread Che
On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 11:36 AM, a.ashfield wrote: > Rossi never claimed the customer used all the heat in the process. He > said the balance was vented. > Excuse us? I'm not following all this close enough to understand from this exchange: is this customer location *also* the location of the

Re: [Vo]: Where did the heat go?

2016-08-14 Thread Daniel Rocha
This is not the case under discussion, which is on open air with mixing fluids (hot and colder air from outside). The flux is enclosed and as they say "care must be taken with turbulent flow". Otherwise, you are assuming that Rossi let people in the other room And it is possible to confuse 1000kW

Re: [Vo]: Where did the heat go?

2016-08-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha wrote: No, you have to know the flux, the distribution of speeds. An anemometer is > not enough. > It is enough, and this is how all HVAC engineers measure the heat flow with air cooling and heating. This web site and video show the method: http://www.trutechtools.com/Measuring-Air

Re: [Vo]: Where did the heat go?

2016-08-13 Thread Daniel Rocha
No, you have to know the flux, the distribution of speeds. An anemometer is not enough. But, this is quite odd, this is a quite invasive procedure. Going to the roof, bypassing security, by laying what their purposes are. Do it several times, in several days, during several months to have an idea o

Re: [Vo]: Where did the heat go?

2016-08-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha wrote: > I am not able to see how the "thermal signature" of a flux is can be > measured at a distance without being invasive. > With an IR camera. Or by standing on the roof and holding a thermocouple in the air, and then measuring air speed with an anemometer. - Jed

Re: [Vo]: Where did the heat go?

2016-08-13 Thread Daniel Rocha
The sieze exit vent is more than enough to allow the exit of 1MW. Alan Fletcher and I showed that. I am not able to see how the "thermal signature" of a flux is can be measured at a distance without being invasive. You have to know the flux çomes of the convective current to know that. That is i

Re: [Vo]: Where did the heat go?

2016-08-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
a.ashfield wrote: It does have a vent. > Yes, of course it does. All warehouses do. The vent is visible in the photo, and in the Google photos of the roof. But this vent is far too small to vent 1 MW of heat. That's the whole point. > What are you going to do when this is proved? > Say you

Re: [Vo]: Where did the heat go?

2016-08-13 Thread a.ashfield
It does have a vent. What are you going to do when this is proved? Say you don't believe it? On 8/13/2016 11:47 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: a.ashfield mailto:a.ashfi...@verizon.net>> wrote: Rossi never claimed the customer used all the heat in the process. He said the balance was vented.

Re: [Vo]: Where did the heat go?

2016-08-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
a.ashfield wrote: Rossi never claimed the customer used all the heat in the process. He said > the balance was vented. > Rossi lied. It cannot be vented. There are no adequate vents. Furthermore, if it were vented this would be easy to detect. No such large heat flux was detected, anywhere. -

Re: [Vo]: Where did the heat go?

2016-08-13 Thread a.ashfield
Rossi never claimed the customer used all the heat in the process. He said the balance was vented. On 8/13/2016 11:09 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: a.ashfield mailto:a.ashfi...@verizon.net>> wrote: Rossi answered the question n his blog, saying the the customer used the heat in an endothermi

Re: [Vo]: Where did the heat go?

2016-08-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
a.ashfield wrote: Rossi answered the question n his blog, saying the the customer used the > heat in an endothermic process. > That is impossible. There are endothermic industrial processes, but they use only a tiny faction of the heat. The rest is waste heat. Textbooks often list baking bread a

Re: [Vo]: Where did the heat go?

2016-08-13 Thread a.ashfield
Rossi answered the question n his blog, saying the the customer used the heat in an endothermic process. I also gather the revised response showing photos of the customer's space conveniently left out showing the ventilation system.

Re: [Vo]: Where did the heat go?

2016-08-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
Bob Higgins wrote: If the room was filled with water that began at 25C and was heated to 60C > over the course of a year, with good insulation and no heat leakage . . . > There is no such thing as "good insulation with no heat leakage." As the water gets hot, it leaks more and more heat, until t

RE: [Vo]: Where did the heat go?

2016-08-12 Thread Jones Beene
Bob Higgins wrote: I saw the picture of the inside of the customer's facility with its big black box. It caused me to consider the possibility that the heat was stored. Imagine an immense store of water … Rossi was fond of storing hot water in his old demos. If you can view this video, go to

Re: [Vo]: Where did the heat go?

2016-08-12 Thread Bob Higgins
First of all, if enough heat could be stored, it would be an excellent proof that the heat was actually created. Also, because there was no sign of venting, and there was no huge thermal signature for the building, there was (and is) no clear indication of where that heat (if created) would have g

Re: [Vo]: Where did the heat go?

2016-08-12 Thread Che
Why would the heat be stored? In especially such a way? On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 6:51 PM, Bob Higgins wrote: > I saw the picture of the inside of the customer's facility with its big > black box. It caused me to consider the possibility that the heat was > stored. Imagine an immense store of

[Vo]: Where did the heat go?

2016-08-12 Thread Bob Higgins
I saw the picture of the inside of the customer's facility with its big black box. It caused me to consider the possibility that the heat was stored. Imagine an immense store of water as big as the entire black box. If Rossi produced 1 MW of heat continuously, what would the numbers look like?.