Re: [Vo]:AC/DC, power, etc.

2013-06-06 Thread David Roberson
-Original Message- From: Berke Durak berke.du...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Jun 6, 2013 12:08 am Subject: [Vo]:AC/DC, power, etc. David Roberson wrote: I have not seen an indication that that power meter senses DC directly. The DC that flows into of from

Re: [Vo]:AC/DC, power, etc.

2013-06-06 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 12:12 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: This proved to me that pseudo skeptics are not willing to admit that they harbor wrong ideas. He threatened me with a copyright notice which was loony. Seriously? That's a little disheartening. We're talking about

Re: [Vo]:AC/DC, power, etc.

2013-06-06 Thread Berke Durak
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 3:12 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: I am not exactly sure of where you are going with this discussion. When I use the term RMS source voltage, I am referring to the RMS value of the source itself at its fundamental frequency which is the only drive signal

Re: [Vo]:AC/DC, power, etc.

2013-06-06 Thread David Roberson
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Jun 6, 2013 9:54 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:AC/DC, power, etc. On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 3:12 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: I am not exactly sure of where you are going with this discussion. When I use the term RMS source voltage, I am referring

Re: [Vo]:AC/DC, power, etc.

2013-06-06 Thread Berke Durak
Dave we're basically agreeing on everything and I'm confident that the experimenters properly checked for DC, however I know how the skeptical minds work and unless they put it clearly in writing (e.g. in the report) there will be some small lingering doubt. To summarize: 1) Diode rectification

Re: [Vo]:AC/DC, power, etc.

2013-06-06 Thread Alain Sepeda
Nice analysis erke, I agree... Rectifier change nothing (DC current if AC voltage produce no power). HF will kill many devices,can be detected, can cause subharmonic, be blocked by wires and cause heat. DC voltage is the only option, assuming no device use a switching power supply... it will kill

[Vo]:AC/DC, power, etc.

2013-06-05 Thread Berke Durak
David Roberson wrote: I have not seen an indication that that power meter senses DC directly. The DC that flows into of from the source supply does not need to be sensed in order to calculate the power being delivered from that source. I realize that this seems contrary to common sense,