Re: [Vo]:Abd's take on Defkalion's recent claims.

2013-08-14 Thread H Veeder
The heat can be used produce to steam which can turn an armature in the presence of the magnetic. From the point of view of the rotating armature the magnetic flux will vary so a electric current can be generated Harry On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 8:50 PM, James Bowery wrote: > People keep saying "

Re: [Vo]:Abd's take on Defkalion's recent claims.

2013-08-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alan Fletcher wrote: > Hadjichristos (sp) specifically said in the demo that they were keeping > the modulation of the HV pulse fixed, to avoid complicating the test -- and > they usually used this for fine control. (Duty cycle?) > Ah. I missed that, or I forgot it. In that case maybe they do h

Re: [Vo]:Abd's take on Defkalion's recent claims.

2013-08-14 Thread Alan Fletcher
> From: "Jed Rothwell" > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 2:01:13 PM > "I do not think they have proved it is fully controllable. I did not > see them modulate the reaction or turn it on and off repeatedly." > > You should go back an review the ICCF-18 Delkalion demo again. > Control of the reac

Re: [Vo]:Abd's take on Defkalion's recent claims.

2013-08-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil wrote: "I do not think they have proved it is fully controllable. I did not see > them modulate the reaction or turn it on and off repeatedly." > > You should go back an review the ICCF-18 Delkalion demo again. Control of > the reactor was a major demo objective that was successfully ac

Re: [Vo]:Abd's take on Defkalion's recent claims.

2013-08-14 Thread Axil Axil
"I do not think they have proved it is fully controllable. I did not see them modulate the reaction or turn it on and off repeatedly." You should go back an review the ICCF-18 Delkalion demo again. Control of the reactor was a major demo objective that was successfully accomplished. On Wed, Au

Re: [Vo]:Abd's take on Defkalion's recent claims.

2013-08-14 Thread Axil Axil
"I suppose Defkalion learned many of their techniques from him. (A court will probably have to decide how many, someday.)" There are any unsupported assumptions in your post. Therefore it is a poor one. Defkalion learned many of their techniques from open source documents as they has previous

Re: [Vo]:Abd's take on Defkalion's recent claims.

2013-08-14 Thread Alain Sepeda
just a very general remark.. LENR is a strange domain which challenge our knowledge in cognition, psychology... I discovered much about sociology of science, media, science journals, free energy fans, ufoists, hot fusion physicist, entrepreneurs, green entrepreneurs... and what happen now, is eve

Re: [Vo]:Abd's take on Defkalion's recent claims.

2013-08-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Gluck wrote: To remain at the Greeks, this magnetic field story is interpreted as > an Achilles' Heel of the story - it is NOT! and 20 times more words > were used for this than for the fact that the Hyperion generates > controllable > copious heat. > All functioning cold fusion reactors p

Re: [Vo]:Abd's take on Defkalion's recent claims.

2013-08-14 Thread Peter Gluck
To remain at the Greeks, this magnetic field story is interpreted as an Achilles' Heel of the story - it is NOT! and 20 times more words were used for this than for the fact that the Hyperion generates controllable copious heat. Peter On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 9:42 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Peter

Re: [Vo]:Abd's take on Defkalion's recent claims.

2013-08-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Gluck wrote: However I think it is more important that DGT has cut > some Gordian Knots > They are Greek, after all. I think overall they tied as many new knots as they cut. It was a good first step but people have many questions about it, including people who are Friends Of Cold Fusion w

Re: [Vo]:Abd's take on Defkalion's recent claims.

2013-08-14 Thread Axil Axil
gt; statement and we will know how seriously we should take their input. To > totally disregard the possibility of the field would be closing many doors. > > Dave > > > > -Original Message- > From: Jed Rothwell > To: vortex-l > Sent: Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:03

Re: [Vo]:Abd's take on Defkalion's recent claims.

2013-08-14 Thread David Roberson
- From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l Sent: Wed, Aug 14, 2013 11:03 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Abd's take on Defkalion's recent claims. Edmund Storms wrote: Dfkalion also reports high RF interference with the phone systems and their SCADA function. Yes, which indicates that their c

Re: [Vo]:Abd's take on Defkalion's recent claims.

2013-08-14 Thread Peter Gluck
However I think it is more important that DGT has cut some Gordian Knots Peter On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 6:03 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Edmund Storms wrote: > >> Dfkalion also reports high RF interference with the phone systems and >> their SCADA function. >> >> >> Yes, which indicates that thei

Re: [Vo]:Abd's take on Defkalion's recent claims.

2013-08-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms wrote: > Dfkalion also reports high RF interference with the phone systems and > their SCADA function. > > > Yes, which indicates that their claim for a 1.6 T magnetic field resulted > from a misreading of the Gauss meter, perhaps because the meter was > influenced by an RF field, n

Re: [Vo]:Abd's take on Defkalion's recent claims.

2013-08-14 Thread Alain Sepeda
For what we know , Rossi's device is anisotropic , excited by incoherent heat, while Defkalion reactor is oriented by the plasma flux... Some says the plasma/current is flowing through the material. This may justify stable oriented field on one side (defkalion) ,and unstable (messy transient spin

Re: [Vo]:Abd's take on Defkalion's recent claims.

2013-08-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
Bob Higgins wrote: > A high frequency spectrum analyzer is needed to evaluate the level and > frequency extent of the possible RF interference. I cannot imagine trying > to make 24b ADC measurements for accurate thermocouple readings in the > presence of these pulses. > And THAT is why you shou

Re: [Vo]:Abd's take on Defkalion's recent claims.

2013-08-13 Thread Bob Higgins
Somewhere in a previous post I saw DGT's spark pulse numbers of 24 kV at 22 mA peak with a rep rate in the kHz range. This is over 500W of pulse power. The wires leading to the spark plugs are of significant size and will make good radiators. Normal CDI type of spark pulsers have nanosecond rise ti

Re: [Vo]:Abd's take on Defkalion's recent claims.

2013-08-13 Thread Axil Axil
For any polariton based soliton, it exists for some 10s of picoseconds only. It seems to me that this is a rapidly changing magnetic field. On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 8:50 PM, James Bowery wrote: > People keep saying "EMF" in the context of talking about a magnetic field. > Aside from the differe

Re: [Vo]:Abd's take on Defkalion's recent claims.

2013-08-13 Thread James Bowery
People keep saying "EMF" in the context of talking about a magnetic field. Aside from the difference being generally crucial, the energy in a magnetic field is unavailable if it is unchanging. On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 7:36 PM, ChemE Stewart wrote: > If you are talking to me, a singularity is wh

Re: [Vo]:Abd's take on Defkalion's recent claims.

2013-08-13 Thread ChemE Stewart
If you are talking to me, a singularity is where I was a year ago as I have listened to your range of theories. You also appear to be embracing string theory now and dismissed it a year ago. I suggest you stop what you are doing and go back and read up on M theory while we are throwing out sugges

Re: [Vo]:Abd's take on Defkalion's recent claims.

2013-08-13 Thread Edmund Storms
Unless we understand the meaning of the words being used, nothing will make sense. To make electric power, a voltage has to be created between two locations so that a current can be made to flow. The amount of power created is equal to the current times the voltage. Many ways exist to crea

Re: [Vo]:Abd's take on Defkalion's recent claims.

2013-08-13 Thread Axil Axil
As Jed has suggested up-thread, you should suspend all current theory making until you understand better what EMF brings to the LENR table. I also suggest that you study Nanoplasmonics as a modern day extension of the pioneering work of Pons and Fleischman. This field is currently the enthusiastica

Re: [Vo]:Abd's take on Defkalion's recent claims.

2013-08-13 Thread Axil Axil
http://ecatreport.com/andrearossi/on-rossis-fascinating-emf-discovery Andrea Rossi recently stated on his blog Journal of Nuclear Physics that he is currently taking the road to circumventing the Carnot Cycle. The Italian inventor posted that direct EMF from the reactor core. EMF or Electromotive

Re: [Vo]:Abd's take on Defkalion's recent claims.

2013-08-13 Thread Edmund Storms
On Aug 13, 2013, at 5:41 PM, Axil Axil wrote: Dfkalion also reports high RF interference with the phone systems and their SCADA function. Yes, which indicates that their claim for a 1.6 T magnetic field resulted from a misreading of the Gauss meter, perhaps because the meter was influenc

Re: [Vo]:Abd's take on Defkalion's recent claims.

2013-08-13 Thread ChemE Stewart
Axil, To boil it down, if you say it is a singularity emitting emf radiation over a broad spectrum I agree with that synopsis On Tuesday, August 13, 2013, Axil Axil wrote: > Dfkalion also reports high RF interference with the phone systems and > their SCADA function. > > The real data reported i

Re: [Vo]:Abd's take on Defkalion's recent claims.

2013-08-13 Thread Axil Axil
Dfkalion also reports high RF interference with the phone systems and their SCADA function. The real data reported in the ICCF-18 paper is not hard to interpret.. 1.6 tesla at 20 Cms. What could be clearer than that, unless you just don't want to believe it, that is. On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 7:27

Re: [Vo]:Abd's take on Defkalion's recent claims.

2013-08-13 Thread Edmund Storms
But exactly what is the anomaly? DGT reports a magnetic field with 1.6 T. Rossi reports RF radiation. Neither source gives any actual data. I would not be surprised to see RF radiation. I would be surprised to see a 1.6 T magnetic field. The devil is in the details. Using a collection of

Re: [Vo]:Abd's take on Defkalion's recent claims.

2013-08-13 Thread Axil Axil
Rossi mentioned extreme EMF behavior coming out of his reactor. Two like systems reporting the same type of EMF anomaly looks like the real thing to me. If you are really interest in zeroing in on the causation of LENR, the also research Rossi's EMF claims. On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Edmun

Re: [Vo]:Abd's take on Defkalion's recent claims.

2013-08-13 Thread Edmund Storms
On Aug 13, 2013, at 4:10 PM, Axil Axil wrote: The strength of the magnetic field is a “smoking gun” for soliton production. It is a smoking gun if the claim is real. But what if the claim is not real? What if we discover it is actually based on an error. What will you say then? How much

Re: [Vo]:Abd's take on Defkalion's recent claims.

2013-08-13 Thread Axil Axil
The strength of the magnetic field is a “smoking gun” for soliton production. What remains to be determined is what exact nature of the EMF produced by the soliton. And is this EMF responsible for the disintegration of the nucleus. Kim thinks it is the electrostatic field. I think it is the anap

Re: [Vo]:Abd's take on Defkalion's recent claims.

2013-08-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil wrote: *I think this is more a case where the result does not fit in with > conventional, textbook physics and engineering. * > > In nanoplasmonics, Hot Spots have be experimentally verified to produce > solitons with a EMF power density of 100 terawatts per cm2 before the > sensors ble

Re: [Vo]:Abd's take on Defkalion's recent claims.

2013-08-13 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > A recent breakthrough > > resulted in a change; instead of the “N” standing for nuclear, > > it now stands for nanoplasmonics. It stands for 'nuclei'. http://defkalion-energy.com/technology/

Re: [Vo]:Abd's take on Defkalion's recent claims.

2013-08-13 Thread Axil Axil
In Kim's ICCF 18 paper. there are two references to nanoplasmonic papers [16,17]. Also, DGT has be famisly quoted as stating that LENR should stand for nanoplasmonics: see http://www.infinite-energy.com/images/pdfs/ManningIE110.pdf However, readers who are aware of nanoplasmonics—a new area of s

Re: [Vo]:Abd's take on Defkalion's recent claims.

2013-08-13 Thread Axil Axil
There is no harm in ignoring results temporarily. There is a huge difference between ignoring a result and attacking it. Benign neglect is okay. Ignoring the results until you assimilate enough applicable knowledge to understand it. But how long does it take for the observer to understand what ne

Re: [Vo]:Abd's take on Defkalion's recent claims.

2013-08-13 Thread Axil Axil
*I think this is more a case where the result does not fit in with conventional, textbook physics and engineering. * In nanoplasmonics, Hot Spots have be experimentally verified to produce solitons with a EMF power density of 100 terawatts per cm2 before the sensors blew out. Not finding this beh

Re: [Vo]:Abd's take on Defkalion's recent claims.

2013-08-13 Thread Axil Axil
Super oscillations are produced when fano resonance converts infrared EMF into a soliton EMF singularity within the hot spot that develops between the nanowires of the Nickel micro particles. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whispering-gallery_wave On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 4:12 PM, wrote: > Da

Re: [Vo]:Abd's take on Defkalion's recent claims.

2013-08-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil wrote: > If an experimental result does not fit into their conceptual framework, > the tendency is to ignore the troublesome concept as a result of some > screw-up or another, rather than readjust the concept to fit the > experimental data. > I assume this is about the intense magnetic

Re: [Vo]:Abd's take on Defkalion's recent claims.

2013-08-13 Thread pagnucco
Daniel, Is it worth considering the possibility that superoscillations or "rogue waves" are occurring? It's possible to generate extremely large transient signal peaks and steep slopes, using band-limited signals - even when all of the components are low-frequency, low-amplitude sinusoids. (http:

Re: [Vo]:Abd's take on Defkalion's recent claims.

2013-08-13 Thread Axil Axil
*Axil, the question is, Exactly what behavior did the experiment >show?. DGE claims to have measured a magnetic FIELD of 1.6 T. Such >an intense magnetic field cannot form under the circumstances. >Therefore, they misinterpreted the behavior. The problem is to >discover just what they actually obse

Re: [Vo]:Abd's take on Defkalion's recent claims.

2013-08-13 Thread Daniel Rocha
Hi folks! One more comment from Abd. You are welcome to go there and comment!: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/newvortex/message/593 There has been extensive commentary on Vortex-l about the magnetic anomaly, in a thread started by Peter Gluck. >http://w

Re: [Vo]:Abd's take on Defkalion's recent claims.

2013-08-13 Thread Daniel Rocha
This is the link for the original post. Comments are welcome! http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/newvortex/message/584 -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

[Vo]:Abd's take on Defkalion's recent claims.

2013-08-13 Thread Daniel Rocha
My (Daniel's comment) I cannot subscribe to all that is being written, specially the reliability issue at the end. But as far as I can see, this is a rational attitude that most of this forum hasn't displayed. I've been privately discussing the report, made by Yeong Kim at ICCF-1