Re: [Vo]:HAVA: Game over?

2008-09-11 Thread Edmund Storms
Great John, now if you can convince the fools who buy systems for the voting public to use your method, we might be saved from a disaster in November. Ed On Sep 11, 2008, at 4:32 PM, John Berry wrote: I don't have time to go into it at this moment but I believe I have found a way to have o

Re: [Vo]:HAVA: Game over?

2008-09-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms wrote: You all would fail at solving murder mysteries. Consider the facts: 1. Diebold makes ATMs, which are secure. Therefore, they know how to do a good job. 2. Diebold is owned by people who are strong supporters of the Republican party. Therefore they have a self interest in

Re: [Vo]:HAVA: Game over?

2008-09-11 Thread John Berry
I don't have time to go into it at this moment but I believe I have found a way to have online voting secure and cheat proof if anyone is curious, it's not really hard. On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Edmund Storms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > You all would fail at solving murder mysteries. Con

Re: [Vo]:HAVA: Game over?

2008-09-11 Thread Edmund Storms
You all would fail at solving murder mysteries. Consider the facts: 1. Diebold makes ATMs, which are secure. Therefore, they know how to do a good job. 2. Diebold is owned by people who are strong supporters of the Republican party. Therefore they have a self interest in gaming the system

RE: [Vo]:HAVA: Game over?

2008-09-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
By the way, Diebold is in the ATM business. Readers here did not know that would miss my point. I am sure there are plenty of programmers at Diebold who know how to do secure touch-screen transaction processing. It is an old, long established company. You can bet your boots that no Russian hack

RE: [Vo]:HAVA: Game over?

2008-09-11 Thread Rick Monteverde
ident of Romania, and he'll have every one of our credit card numbers. - Rick _ From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 9:53 AM To: vortex-L@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:HAVA: Game over? Rick Monteverde wrote: Funny that technophiles li

RE: [Vo]:HAVA: Game over?

2008-09-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
Rick Monteverde wrote: Funny that technophiles like us would object to these the way we do. I guess it's because we know easily computer systems can often be defeated even when they're touted as being rock solid. Heck, most of the time you don't even have to *try* to get them to fail. Well, I

RE: [Vo]:HAVA: Game over?

2008-09-11 Thread Rick Monteverde
ED] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 8:00 AM To: vortex-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:HAVA: Game over? Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: >There is *NO* *MENTION* of a "voter verified" paper record. There is >*NO* requirement that the voter be allowed to *see* the paper record >i

Re: [Vo]:HAVA: Game over?

2008-09-11 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Jed Rothwell wrote: > Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > >> There is *NO* *MENTION* of a "voter verified" paper record. There is >> *NO* requirement that the voter be allowed to *see* the paper record >> indicating how they voted. > > The link you point is the 2002 law. Do you mean the replacement S

Re: [Vo]:HAVA: Game over?

2008-09-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: There is *NO* *MENTION* of a "voter verified" paper record. There is *NO* requirement that the voter be allowed to *see* the paper record indicating how they voted. The link you point is the 2002 law. Do you mean the replacement S.3212, "Bipartisan Electronic Votin

[Vo]:HAVA: Game over?

2008-09-11 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
There has been some discussion on this list in the past regarding electronic voting and the vital role played by a voter-verified paper trail. In 2002 the U.S. election system was reformed, with the passage of HAVA (the Help America Vote Act), which aims to eliminate the problems caused by punch c