Re: [Vo]:Interstellar travel

2020-10-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
Okay, to summarize this discussion: A radar would not be able to detect particles such as grains of sand or small rocks. Therefore I suppose you need a powerful laser in the front of the spacecraft to heat them and break them into molecules or plasma. It would have to be turned on at all times bec

Re: [Vo]:Interstellar travel

2020-10-10 Thread Sean Logan
> > > In such a galaxy, everyone would use similar FTL communications equipment, > effectively joined in a galaxy wide > "Internet", so the first thing an advanced civilization is going to try to > teach one that doesn't have it, is how to > build FTL comms gear. > Ever wondered what crop circles r

Re: [Vo]:Interstellar travel

2020-10-09 Thread Terry Blanton
Don't forget your towel. On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 3:55 PM H LV wrote: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8gu1p939a4 > Fritz Lang's 1929 vision of spaceflight. > > Wear a sweater! > > Harry > > > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 3:11 PM Terry Blanton wrote: > >> Oops. That was a different Robin. :) >> >

Re: [Vo]:Interstellar travel

2020-10-09 Thread Robin
Hi, At half the speed of light, the kinetic energy of a Hydrogen molecule is in excess of 200 MeV. At that energy it isn't going to bounce off. It's going to embed itself in the hull material and deposit all its energy, thereby ablating the hull material, irrespective of its composition. Note a

Re: [Vo]:Interstellar travel

2020-10-09 Thread H LV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8gu1p939a4 Fritz Lang's 1929 vision of spaceflight. Wear a sweater! Harry On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 3:11 PM Terry Blanton wrote: > Oops. That was a different Robin. :) > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 3:06 PM Terry Blanton wrote: > >> Indeed, Robin. First we must

Re: [Vo]:Interstellar travel

2020-10-09 Thread Robin
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Fri, 9 Oct 2020 15:06:27 -0400: Hi, [snip] >Indeed, Robin. First we must overcome The Great Filter. 1) I think I have just finished providing at least one reason why Interstellar travel is limited. 2) I think there is actually lots of evidence of technolog

Re: [Vo]:Interstellar travel

2020-10-09 Thread Terry Blanton
Oops. That was a different Robin. :) On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 3:06 PM Terry Blanton wrote: > Indeed, Robin. First we must overcome The Great Filter. > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 3:00 PM Robin > wrote: > >> In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Fri, 9 Oct 2020 14:11:08 -0400: >> Hi, >> [snip] >

Re: [Vo]:Interstellar travel

2020-10-09 Thread Terry Blanton
Indeed, Robin. First we must overcome The Great Filter. On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 3:00 PM Robin wrote: > In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Fri, 9 Oct 2020 14:11:08 -0400: > Hi, > [snip] > >This is exactly why starships travel in subspace. > > ...se we revert to SciFi to maintain the dream,

Re: [Vo]:Interstellar travel

2020-10-09 Thread Robin
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Fri, 9 Oct 2020 14:11:08 -0400: Hi, [snip] >This is exactly why starships travel in subspace. ...se we revert to SciFi to maintain the dream, rather than face reality? I think it's time we change the dream. We are not going to be leaving the Sol system an

Re: [Vo]:Interstellar travel

2020-10-09 Thread Terry Blanton
Pity the re-re-make of "Dune" release date has been delayed from December 2020 to October of 2021. We will probably encounter the TOET by then. On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 2:48 PM Terry Blanton wrote: > Ah, yes, the Stoned Ape Hypothesis. > > I have been studying the Novelty Time Wave Theory of lat

Re: [Vo]:Interstellar travel

2020-10-09 Thread Terry Blanton
Ah, yes, the Stoned Ape Hypothesis. I have been studying the Novelty Time Wave Theory of late. Melange is definitely required. :) On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 2:23 PM JonesBeene wrote: > Don’t you mean “folded space” ? > > > > That sniff has to do with the spice, IIRC > > > > *From: *Terry Blanton

RE: [Vo]:Interstellar travel

2020-10-09 Thread JonesBeene
Don’t you mean “folded space” ? That sniff has to do with the spice, IIRC From: Terry Blanton Robin wrote: > The real point I have been trying to make, is that space simply isn't empty >at long distances, so high speeds become > very difficult.  This is exactly why starships travel in subspac

Re: [Vo]:Interstellar travel

2020-10-09 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 10:48 PM Robin wrote: > The real point I have been trying to make, is that space simply isn't empty at long distances, so high speeds become > very difficult. This is exactly why starships travel in subspace.

Re: [Vo]:Interstellar travel

2020-10-08 Thread Robin
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Thu, 8 Oct 2020 20:53:15 -0400: Hi, [snip] >Robin wrote: > > >> 5) Interstellar gas is not the only problem. A grain of sand or a pebble >> would spell disaster. >> > >You're gonna need a VERY high resolution radar and a laser. Radar waves are too long for g

Re: [Vo]:Interstellar travel

2020-10-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Robin wrote: > 5) Interstellar gas is not the only problem. A grain of sand or a pebble > would spell disaster. > You're gonna need a VERY high resolution radar and a laser.

Re: [Vo]:Interstellar travel

2020-10-08 Thread Robin
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Thu, 8 Oct 2020 15:25:39 + (UTC): Hi, [snip] > Looks like your angle is radiative cooling. At the melting point of Titanium it will radiate about 80 W/cm^2, compared to the calculated 500 kW/cm^2 kinetic energy. > >Plus, speaking of angles - the full kin

Re: [Vo]:Interstellar travel

2020-10-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Robin wrote: > A space ship traveling at half the speed of light would encounter these > molecules traveling in the opposite direction at > that velocity. Assuming that the kinetic energy of these particles is > calculated using 1/2 m*v^2 (it's actually more at > that speed), then the power asso

Re: [Vo]:Interstellar travel

2020-10-08 Thread Jones Beene
Looks like your angle is radiative cooling. Plus, speaking of angles - the full kinetic energy of the particles would not be transferred to the titanium. H LV wrote: The ship would need some way to stay to cool. Harry Robin wrote: According to wiki (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interst

Re: [Vo]:Interstellar travel

2020-10-08 Thread H LV
The ship would need some way to stay to cool. Harry On Wed., Oct. 7, 2020, 9:58 p.m. Robin, wrote: > Hi, > > According to wiki (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstellar_medium) the > density of matter in between stars in the > galaxy is about 1E6 molecules / cm^3. We make the assumption that a

[Vo]:Interstellar travel

2020-10-07 Thread Robin
Hi, According to wiki (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstellar_medium) the density of matter in between stars in the galaxy is about 1E6 molecules / cm^3. We make the assumption that all of it is molecular Hydrogen. A space ship traveling at half the speed of light would encounter these mol