Re: [Vo]:Kanzius - Roy publication

2008-03-25 Thread Jones Beene
Although it is clear that there is far too little information available, there is one glaring application, or perfect fit for the Kanzius system, even if it were to be less efficient than DC electrolysis... OK make that a semi-perfect fit since it depends on the technique being engineered

Re: [Vo]:Kanzius - Roy publication

2008-03-14 Thread Horace Heffner
A possibly more accurate description of the Kanzius electrolysis process follows. The dissolved Na and Cl ions are each surrounded by a hydration layer, a layer of water molecules polarized radially by the central ions. The alternating RF field causes vibration of the nuclei within the

Re: [Vo]:Kanzius - Roy publication

2008-03-14 Thread Jones Beene
I was getting posts from you yesterday. Let me say again, that if the mechanism you suggest is really happening, and if the HOOH has not been accounted for, then the Kanzius process is more efficient than thought. In fact, it may be as efficient as DC electrolysis. J. - Original

Re: [Vo]:Kanzius - Roy publication

2008-03-14 Thread Horace Heffner
On Mar 14, 2008, at 12:01 PM, Jones Beene wrote: I was getting posts from you yesterday. It appears you received my test post. I haven't received that back yet. I also noted a post I made yesterday that did not ever show up in the archives. Let me say again, that if the mechanism you

[Vo]:Kanzius - Roy publication

2008-03-13 Thread Jones Beene
Ron I had a look at the paper. There is not enough detail to make it worth the trouble. Like you , I find the amazing thing is that it works at all in the MHz range- even if it is only (today) a very inefficient electrolyzer. This seems to be a case of intense non-ionizing radiation being

Re: [Vo]:Kanzius - Roy publication

2008-03-13 Thread Horace Heffner
On Mar 13, 2008, at 6:48 AM, Jones Beene wrote: Ron I had a look at the paper. There is not enough detail to make it worth the trouble. That's for sure! Like you , I find the amazing thing is that it works at all in the MHz range- even if it is only (today) a very inefficient

Re: [Vo]:Kanzius - Roy publication

2008-03-13 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Thu, 13 Mar 2008 07:48:13 -0700 (PDT): Hi, [snip] This radiation can even be made semi-coherent by using some forms of carbon (graphite) as the sink (target) since forms of graphite (despite its blackness ;-) is not a blackbody radiator, and emits mostly in

Re: [Vo]:Kanzius - Roy publication

2008-03-13 Thread Jones Beene
Horace I suspect H2 and HOOH is produced. If that were true then the process is more efficient than it would appear, unless the energy content of the peroxide has been included.

Re: [Vo]:Kanzius - Roy publication

2008-03-12 Thread Jones Beene
One further thought wrt the point that: The usefulness of the Kanzius technique will depend on how efficient the process is, when comparing P-in (elec) to P-out (thermal). One report which seems to have been accurate several weeks ago pegged the initial efficiency (before the famous Dr. Roy

Re: [Vo]:Kanzius - Roy publication

2008-03-12 Thread Ron Wormus
Jones, I don't believe it enough to buy the paper. What frequency range of RF works is the effect limited to RF? Maybe microwave works better. Do they have a physical theory for how it works? In general RF generators are not very energy efficient. Ron --On Wednesday, March 12, 2008 10:00 AM