Re: [Vo]:National Review admits global warming is real

2007-06-26 Thread thomas malloy
Jed Rothwell wrote: thomas malloy wrote: Most importantly don't over look what you can do about anthropogenic climate change if it is happening, A: not a damn thing! Oh give us a break, Tom! At least you can say: I don't want to pay to fix the problem. Or: I do not feel like paying an

Re: [Vo]:National Review admits global warming is real

2007-06-25 Thread thomas malloy
Nick Palmer wrote: Philip Winestone replied to me privately and, amid his assertions of his own objectivity, he wrote You obviously didn't read the article in yesterday's National Post, where the writer wrote (from a scientific standpoint) that No, I didn't. What would be the point?

Re: [Vo]:National Review admits global warming is real

2007-06-25 Thread thomas malloy
R.C.Macaulay wrote: Nick Psalmer wrote.. I have to point out that these groups you mention must be American and are therefore unlikely to be part of the internationally recognised and credible environmental groups such as Friends of the Earth International (at least 50 countries) and

Re: [Vo]:National Review admits global warming is real

2007-06-25 Thread Harry Veeder
: Sunday, June 24, 2007 8:03 PM To: Vortex-L Subject: Re: [Vo]:National Review admits global warming is real Philip Winestone replied to me privately and, amid his assertions of his own objectivity, he wrote First, I don't harbour beliefs or buy anything wholesale. This is your arrogance speaking; you

Re: [Vo]:National Review admits global warming is real

2007-06-25 Thread Michel Jullian
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 8:03 PM To: Vortex-L Subject: Re: [Vo]:National Review admits global warming is real Philip Winestone replied to me privately and, amid his assertions of his own objectivity, he wrote First, I don't harbour beliefs or buy anything wholesale

Re: [Vo]:National Review admits global warming is real

2007-06-25 Thread R.C.Macaulay
Michel wrote.. You're right Harry, now it seems it could be more like 50,000 yrs before the next ice age according to ...The Earth is in an interglacial period now, known as the Holocene. It was conventional wisdom that the typical interglacial period lasts about 12,000 years but now appears

Re: [Vo]:National Review admits global warming is real

2007-06-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
thomas malloy wrote: Most importantly don't over look what you can do about anthropogenic climate change if it is happening, A: not a damn thing! Oh give us a break, Tom! At least you can say: I don't want to pay to fix the problem. Or: I do not feel like paying an extra dollar per gallon

Re: [Vo]:National Review admits global warming is real

2007-06-25 Thread Nick Palmer
For Jeff Fink who asked about the original climate scare of human activity precipitating an ice age:- The predominant reasoning behind this was that human use of fossil fuels at the time produced lots of micro particulates (dust and soot) plus acid gases. Acid and micro particles can act

Re: [Vo]:National Review admits global warming is real

2007-06-25 Thread PHILIP WINESTONE
: Re: [Vo]:National Review admits global warming is real Nick Psalmer wrote.. I have to point out that these groups you mention must be American and are therefore unlikely to be part of the internationally recognised and credible environmental groups such as Friends of the Earth

Re: [Vo]:National Review admits global warming is real

2007-06-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Nick Palmer wrote: Ironically, although I have never seen it mentioned by anyone other than me, the acid/particulate pollution, and therefore cooling effect, from the much larger amount of coal burnt then may have masked the warming effect from the increasing CO2. As far as I know, far more

Re: [Vo]:National Review admits global warming is real

2007-06-24 Thread Nick Palmer
Dear Mr Winestone, I do wish people like you would not keep stirring up the mud with the ridiculous beliefs that are implied in your phrase When the rational minds at Vortex start to buy into the mythology/religion of man-made global warming, we're in deep trouble.

Re: [Vo]:National Review admits global warming is real

2007-06-24 Thread R.C.Macaulay
Nick Palmer wrote.. Your whole position, and that of people like you, seems to be based upon the irrational belief that people cannot affect the planets systems for good or ill. Bring on whatever you have got - I will try to demolish it. Howdy Nick, Anyone with eyes can see a huge black dead

Re: [Vo]:National Review admits global warming is real

2007-06-24 Thread R.C.Macaulay
The day after the levees were breached in New Orleans as a result of the hurricane Katrina, we contacted FEMA-Dallas. They were going to repair the pumps and pump polluted stormwater back into the Gulf. We happened to have an order ready for a huge CSO basin ( Combined Sewage Overflow) project

Re: [Vo]:National Review admits global warming is real

2007-06-24 Thread John Berry
, he asked the question, How does one measure global temperature? P. - Original Message From: Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-L@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 4:52:51 PM Subject: [Vo]:National Review admits global warming is real The ultra-conservative National

Re: [Vo]:National Review admits global warming is real

2007-06-24 Thread PHILIP WINESTONE
. - Original Message From: John Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 10:56:36 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:National Review admits global warming is real So let me see if I've gotcha. Greenies, alternate energy and hippies are evil. And oil companies are good and only

Re: [Vo]:National Review admits global warming is real

2007-06-24 Thread Nick Palmer
Hi Richard, You wrote What was the response for these non profit advocacy groups that devote so much time to foaming at the mouth over pollution and global warming... SILENCE!!! Why? Because they are political organizations masquerading as environmentalists. and plus a number

Re: [Vo]:National Review admits global warming is real

2007-06-24 Thread PHILIP WINESTONE
control.) P. - Original Message From: R.C.Macaulay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 11:29:53 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:National Review admits global warming is real DIV { MARGIN:0px;} Phiip wrote.. When the rational minds at Vortex start to buy

Re: [Vo]:National Review admits global warming is real

2007-06-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
PHILIP WINESTONE wrote: When the rational minds at Vortex start to buy into the mythology/religion of man-made global warming, we're in deep trouble... There was an interesting article today in The National Post (Canada), written by a physicist, in which, among other things, he asked the

Re: [Vo]:National Review admits global warming is real

2007-06-24 Thread Harry Veeder
One probably calculates mean global temperature based on other measurements. I expect that climate science is advanced enough to know what measurements are necessary and how to calculate the global temperature from those measurements. If they are wrong, then there is either something

Re: [Vo]:National Review admits global warming is real

2007-06-24 Thread PHILIP WINESTONE
@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 2:43:38 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:National Review admits global warming is real Re: [Vo]:National Review admits global warming is real One probably calculates mean global temperature based on other measurements. I expect that climate science is advanced enough

Re: [Vo]:National Review admits global warming is real

2007-06-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: That is the story of cold fusion in a nutshell: experts worked for years, published peer-reviewed paper with high sigma, replicated data, but the research was drowned out by a chorus of nitwit scientists and self-appointed experts in the Washington Post and Time magazine. In other

Re: [Vo]:National Review admits global warming is real

2007-06-24 Thread Nick Palmer
Philip Winestone replied to me privately and, amid his assertions of his own objectivity, he wrote First, I don't harbour beliefs or buy anything wholesale. This is your arrogance speaking; you are the only person on earth who thinks straight; the rest of the peasants harbour black belief

RE: [Vo]:National Review admits global warming is real

2007-06-24 Thread Jeff Fink
PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 8:03 PM To: Vortex-L Subject: Re: [Vo]:National Review admits global warming is real Philip Winestone replied to me privately and, amid his assertions of his own objectivity, he wrote First, I don't harbour beliefs or buy anything wholesale. This is your

RE: [Vo]:National Review admits global warming is real

2007-06-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jeff Fink wrote: I last posted on the global warming subject several months ago with a question that was not adequately answered by the global warming believers. So, here it is again. Why were the climate experts of the late seventies warning us of a coming ice age while we were in the early

Re: [Vo]:National Review admits global warming is real

2007-06-24 Thread R.C.Macaulay
Nick Psalmer wrote.. I have to point out that these groups you mention must be American and are therefore unlikely to be part of the internationally recognised and credible environmental groups such as Friends of the Earth International (at least 50 countries) and Greenpeace International. We

Re: [Vo]:National Review admits global warming is real

2007-06-23 Thread PHILIP WINESTONE
, among other things, he asked the question, How does one measure global temperature? P. - Original Message From: Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-L@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 4:52:51 PM Subject: [Vo]:National Review admits global warming is real The ultra

Re: [Vo]:National Review admits global warming is real

2007-06-23 Thread R.C.Macaulay
Phiip wrote.. When the rational minds at Vortex start to buy into the mythology/religion of man-made global warming, we're in deep trouble... except for those of us who make a lot of money from the field. Howdy Philip, One look at the business of tradingCO2 credits across the globe is

[Vo]:National Review admits global warming is real

2007-06-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
The ultra-conservative National Review now admits that global warming is real. We have truly turned a corner! See: http://nrd.nationalreview.com/ COVER STORY It is no longer possible, scientifically or politically, to deny that human activities have very likely increased global