Re: [Vo]:New E-Cat customers to reveal their identity

2011-11-13 Thread Mary Yugo
As far as I know, Stanley Meyer sincerely believed that his devices could make energy from plain water. How the heck does one flummox oneself into that conclusion? How long would it take to test conclusively a purported device said to do that? A minute? Less -- it would never be able to

Re: [Vo]:New E-Cat customers to reveal their identity

2011-11-13 Thread jwinter
On 11/13/2011 4:19 PM, Mary Yugo wrote: ... With just a moment of thought, I can remember some of the most prominent recent scams promoted by Allan on his site. One of these is, of course, Steorn. ... Allan (or at least Hank) is still promoting Steorn. Checkout this fairly recent and very

Re: [Vo]:New E-Cat customers to reveal their identity

2011-11-12 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
The web site belongs to Leonardo Corp. It matters not who wrote the words as long as they are the words of the web site owner. You again attempt to cast into doubt credibility of Rossi and statements made on the Leonardo web site by involving the credibility of an unknown writer. Mary you do

Re: [Vo]:New E-Cat customers to reveal their identity

2011-11-12 Thread Jouni Valkonen
Aussie, I too have hard time to think what could be the motivation for Mary to do what she is doing, because there could not be any positive outcome for her. If eCat is for real, like it seems to be, then Mary just loses all the credibility and is required to change her name if she is ever going

Re: [Vo]:New E-Cat customers to reveal their identity

2011-11-12 Thread Steven Johnson
Quite frankly, The fact that Allan seems to posses what many might consider less than well vetted reports is irrelevant to the discussion of his reporting on Rossi. This was another dispicaple example of krivit exploiting the investigative content and style of an individual practicing the same

Re: [Vo]:New E-Cat customers to reveal their identity

2011-11-12 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
It matters not who the web site administrator is or who typed the text on the pages. The web site is owned by Leonardo Corp, it is their official web site and any pages there are approved and binding on that corporation. So stop with the Sterling references. It does not matter and has no

Re: [Vo]:New E-Cat customers to reveal their identity

2011-11-12 Thread Mary Yugo
In Allan's case he performed no crime other than simply reporting on the alleged Obama event. IMHO, Allan showed professionalism by NOT adding his own personal thoughts and personal beliefs on the matter. So let's see. If I send a report to Allan about my pink, invisible, flying unicorns that

Re: [Vo]:New E-Cat customers to reveal their identity

2011-11-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: So let's see. If I send a report to Allan about my pink, invisible, flying unicorns that eat nickel and fart hydrogen he should report that too? I disagree. I think a journalist must use judgement in choosing what to report. I agree. It was silly for

Re: [Vo]:New E-Cat customers to reveal their identity

2011-11-12 Thread Mary Yugo
That's unconscionable. I can give examples if you like but I'd rather not waste more space. . . . Please do. That would not be a waste of space. You tend to make blanket accusations without specifics. Let's hear some specifics. It may be that what you consider unethical, others consider

Re: [Vo]:New E-Cat customers to reveal their identity

2011-11-12 Thread Jouni Valkonen
2011/11/13 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: So let's see.  If I send a report to Allan about my pink, invisible, flying unicorns that eat nickel and fart hydrogen he should report that too?  I disagree.  I think a journalist must use judgement in

Re: [Vo]:New E-Cat customers to reveal their identity

2011-11-12 Thread Mary Yugo
Krivit seems to have good contacts who are willing to talk to him, including some at the U of Bologna and U of Uppsala and many scientists who work in cold fusion and LENR. So do I. As far as I know, the people in Bologna and Uppsala have been telling Krivit just the opposite of what he

Re: [Vo]:New E-Cat customers to reveal their identity

2011-11-12 Thread Rich Murray
I never even checked the site out to find all this stuff -- however, I'm tolerant of really weird claims, because at least they introduce a bit of openness within our overwrought 3D space 1D time virtual reality simulation, within fabulous single entire unified creative fractal hyperinfinity...

Re: [Vo]:New E-Cat customers to reveal their identity

2011-11-12 Thread Daniel Rocha
Not everything there is a scam. At least one is not, which is plasma focus, which they frequently feature among the top 5 and is based in an old technology. But they never claimed overunity, just 1/10 of the input energy, in the form of neutrons. Actually, a few of their shots is enough to

Re: [Vo]:New E-Cat customers to reveal their identity

2011-11-12 Thread Mary Yugo
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Not everything there is a scam. At least one is not, which is plasma focus, which they frequently feature among the top 5 and is based in an old technology. But they never claimed overunity, just 1/10 of the input

Re: [Vo]:New E-Cat customers to reveal their identity

2011-11-12 Thread Jouni Valkonen
2011/11/13 Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com: It is harmful to our society to have people believing that you can run a car on water without fuel or even that adding on-board electrolysis to an internal combustion engine will somehow magically double it's mileage figures. That is egoistic

Re: [Vo]:New E-Cat customers to reveal their identity

2011-11-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Sure but it really is a waste of space. Here are some of the idiotic nonsense actively promoted on Sterling's pages... as if Obama going to Mars alone wasn't enough. Tell you what-- rather than my boring everyone, choose from the list here:

[Vo]:New E-Cat customers to reveal their identity

2011-11-11 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
http://www.leonardo-ecat.com/fp/News/Upcoming/index.html Next Few Months * New customers of the one megawatt E-Cat plant reveal their identity publicly. * Location of first E-Cat factory in the United States revealed.

Re: [Vo]:New E-Cat customers to reveal their identity

2011-11-11 Thread Mary Yugo
Next Few Months * New customers of the one megawatt E-Cat plant reveal their identity publicly. * Location of first E-Cat factory in the United States revealed. And why do you believe that will happen? Because Sterling Allan wrote it? He's the same guy who had Obama in Mars for