[Vo]:No Control

2011-10-10 Thread Jouni Valkonen
Control is relevant when we are uncertain what is the cause and what is the effect. This is often the case with medical research and Pd-D cold fusion experiments. Here however we only have two variables that we are measuring. We are measuring electricity in and all the rest is excess heat (lots of

Re: [Vo]:No Control

2011-10-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
Horace Heffner wrote: May people have made this comment. Some, like Jed, directly to Rossi. And I have the scars to show for it. He is mad as hell at me for what I wrote to him today, which I also posted here. A thermal pulse method is also a useful check on calorimetry functions > during run

Re: [Vo]:No Control

2011-10-10 Thread Horace Heffner
riginal Message - From: "OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson" To: "vortex-l" Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 1:14 PM Subject: [Vo]:No Control I'm reminded of something recently stated over at the PESN web site, author, Hank Mills: Se

Re: [Vo]:No Control

2011-10-10 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-10-10 01:14 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: I'm reminded of something recently stated over at the PESN web site, author, Hank Mills: See: http://pesn.com/2011/10/08/9501929_E-Cat_Test_Validates_Cold_Fusion_Despite_Challenges/ http://tinyurl.com/6a7zcw2 Specifically: No Contr

Re: [Vo]:No Control

2011-10-10 Thread Daniel Rocha
When you have a black box, controls are valid when there is a double blind, that is, the experimenter and the subject don't know which one is true. In the case of humans, it is to filter the placebo effect. In the case of the e-cat, it is to avoid fraud, that is, slightly different designs to make

Re: [Vo]:No Control

2011-10-10 Thread Terry Blanton
Experiments require controls. Demonstrations only require observers. I don't think AR is experimenting. I do think that we are soon to see either a legal feeding frenzy or a Greek and an Italian back having a romance. Unfortunately, I think the former is more likely due to pride (as in a lot of