[Vo]:Re: A model of the proton to describe Holmlid's results

Sorry for the delayed response to this thread--I was golfing. The epo design of the proton is related to the Philippi Hatt model of the proton and neutron and I think the muon. Hatt presented a paper for this model at ICCF-19. As I have noted in previous threads, it correctly predicts the

RE: [Vo]:Re: A model of the proton to describe Holmlid's results

Thanks Mark This could be a further indication of some kind of cross-identity. Of course, when an electron is emitted from a neutron beta decay - there are those who strongly believe that it arose ab initio -- and was never a part of the 3 quark arrangement. Thus - it is both an open

Re: [Vo]:Re: A model of the proton to describe Holmlid's results

My understanding is that quarks don't weigh enough to constituted of muons. While we hear of protons and neutrons being described as an assemblage of 3 quarks, they are talking about the valence quarks, and there are many more quark-antiquark pairs that constitute the whole mass of the proton or

Re: [Vo]:Re: A model of the proton to describe Holmlid's results

Holmlid says that mesons are created in addition to muons. If that is the case, rydberg matter has the ability to produce strong force effects since the meson is made of a quark and its anti-quark partner. At least one quark can be produced from the vacuum if enough energy is pumped into it. I

Re: [Vo]:Re: A model of the proton to describe Holmlid's results

On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 7:43 AM, Jones Beene wrote: Even the neutrino, another "invented particle" has been shown to have a > real identity, having once served the same purpose, which is as > place-holder, in the past. Not the quark. This may be true. But the iconoclast

RE: [Vo]:Re: A model of the proton to describe Holmlid's results

From: Bob Higgins * My understanding is that quarks don't weigh enough to constituted of muons. No one can be sure of that. In fact no one has a clue about the mass of quarks, and there is a range which varies by orders of magnitude. Since the quark is not really a

[Vo]:Re: A model of the proton to describe Holmlid's results

FYI: Here's a movie of a Proton-Proton Collision Event, eventually resulting in 4 Muons (Actual Event, but the movie is a simulation, of course) seen in the ATLAS Detector. Unfortunately I could not easily find one with CMS. Perhaps someone will and all the future Hate Mail will stop! Mark

Re: [Vo]:Re: A model of the proton to describe Holmlid's results

http://www.atlas.ch/multimedia/4-muon-event.html -Original Message- From: Mark Jurich Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 9:05 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Re: A model of the proton to describe Holmlid's results FYI: Here's a movie of a Proton-Proton Collision Event,

[Vo]:Re: A model of the proton to describe Holmlid's results

... And here's a ZZ --> 4 Muons CMS [Candidate] Event: https://cds.cern.ch/record/1378103?ln=en -Original Message- From: Mark Jurich Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 9:07 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: A model of the proton to describe Holmlid's results

[Vo]:Re: A model of the proton to describe Holmlid's results

Philippi Hatt’s model may allow the calculation of the energy releases form LENR reactions with enough accuracy to confirm theory with existing EM monitoring capability. Expensive particle detection is probably not required IMHO. Since local B fields may cause modification of the predicted