Re: [Vo]:Where is the Clarity?

2015-11-19 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 5:38 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > The book "Tomorrow's Energy" by Hoffman says that they have been > transporting large amounts of hydrogen in the pipeline in Germany since the > 1930s with few problems. I do not know the details. It has been studied quite well https://en.wi

Re: [Vo]:Where is the Clarity?

2015-11-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
wrote: > >Transport of H2 is a major problem. Embrittlement of pipelines is > problematic. > > Use pipes with an inner plastic film. > The book "Tomorrow's Energy" by Hoffman says that they have been transporting large amounts of hydrogen in the pipeline in Germany since the 1930s with few pro

Re: [Vo]:Where is the Clarity?

2015-11-19 Thread mixent
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Wed, 18 Nov 2015 21:43:49 -0500: Hi, [snip] >Transport of H2 is a major problem. Embrittlement of pipelines is problematic. Use pipes with an inner plastic film. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

RE: [Vo]:Where is the Clarity?

2015-11-18 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Terry Blanton > Transport of H2 is a major problem. Embrittlement of pipelines is > problematic. True, and hydrogen embrittlement of steel makes one wonder if dense hydrogen is somehow involved. Ideally, hydrogen would be made at the filling station itself fr

Re: [Vo]:Where is the Clarity?

2015-11-18 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Jones Beene wrote: Almost all commercial hydrogen is derived from the highly efficient “steam > reforming” reaction aka the water-gas shift reaction (WGSR). It is one of > the most efficient reactions in all of petro-chemistry, especially when the > steam is cogen

Re: [Vo]:Where is the Clarity?

2015-11-18 Thread Terry Blanton
Transport of H2 is a major problem. Embrittlement of pipelines is problematic.

RE: [Vo]:Where is the Clarity?

2015-11-18 Thread Jones Beene
From: Eric Walker Is this hydrogen derived from splitting water, or from hydrocarbons? Almost all commercial hydrogen is derived from the highly efficient “steam reforming” reaction aka the water-gas shift reaction (WGSR). It is one of the most efficient reactions in all of petro-ch

Re: [Vo]:Where is the Clarity?

2015-11-18 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Jones Beene wrote: Honda is introducing its first hydrogen-fueled FCEV in Japan: the Honda > Clarity, which uses an advanced Fuel Cell and stores hydrogen as compressed > gas. It uses hydrogen and air to create electricity, leaving water vapor as > the exhaust; bu

Re: [Vo]:Where is the Clarity?

2015-11-18 Thread Bob Higgins
It is interesting how the whole electric car business and solar installations play together in the changing solar power economy. There is a solar war waging with the big utilities. The big utilities claim that the grid-tie solar systems on people's roofs are driving them out of business and they

[Vo]:Where is the Clarity?

2015-11-18 Thread Jones Beene
Honda is introducing its first hydrogen-fueled FCEV in Japan: the Honda Clarity, which uses an advanced Fuel Cell and stores hydrogen as compressed gas. It uses hydrogen and air to create electricity, leaving water vapor as the exhaust; but it also has ample batteries and a high cost - about $ 60k