Re: [Vo]:Brillouin ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-19 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 07:39 PM 8/18/2012, Jeff Berkowitz wrote: Thanks for writing this, I was also scratching my head trying to figure out whether Godes and W-L were saying the same thing or not. Minor comment: I think you typo'd "782MeV" when meaning 782KeV. Yes. Thanks. They are not saying the same thing, t

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: > Spock's reply was something to the effect that: Military secrets are the > most fleeting of all secrets. > Arthur C. Clarke said the same thing, except he was talking about actual military secrets. He knew quite a few of them because he worked experime

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-19 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 12:09 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson > Spock's reply was something to the effect that: Military secrets > are the most fleeting of all secrets. Episode 57, "The Enterprise Incident": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoUFbd9e-aY @ 3:55 T

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-19 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
I was thinking about this overnight and I think the right answer is probably somewhere in the middle. Suppose you are able to obtain a working LENR device containing e.g. powdered Ni or a Pd-coated cupronickel wire or whatever. You can certainly put the active material under and SEM and a spectrome

RE: [Vo]:Brillouin ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-19 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Jed sed: > There is nothing more ephemeral that a vitally important trade secret. > Trade secrets about unimportant technology sometimes last for decades. Stealing trade secrets is probably right up there with absconding with military secrets. I wish I could find a brief You-Tube clip

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-18 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
This is a very refreshing response. I certainly hope you are correct. Jeff On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Jeff Berkowitz wrote: > > >> I suppose that if this work all holds up, the mainstream scientific >> community may get what it deserves for shunning the discipline: a

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jeff Berkowitz wrote: > I suppose that if this work all holds up, the mainstream scientific > community may get what it deserves for shunning the discipline: all the key > results may be locked up behind an impenetrable veil of trade secrecy. > That subject came up in the panel discussion; the

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-18 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
I saw this too. It's a quote. The word "proprietary" actually appears 6 times in the Godes document, in relation to this and other aspects of the work. It seems unlikely to be an accident or temporary. Celani also describes the "large" help of an unnamed Italian company with respect to processing

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > Certain electrical >> inputs to the cell were changed deliberately in a >> proprietary manner effecting Q frequency content. >> > > In other words, we aren't being told enough information so that this > finding could be independently replicated. > Is the first comme

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-18 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
Thanks for writing this, I was also scratching my head trying to figure out whether Godes and W-L were saying the same thing or not. Minor comment: I think you typo'd "782MeV" when meaning 782KeV. Jeff On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > At 03:06 PM 8/17/2012, Alan J

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-18 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:06 PM 8/17/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: At 01:17 PM 8/17/2012, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Unreadable for me. Full paper : http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2012/ICCF17/ICCF-17-Godes-Controlled-Electron-Capture-Paper.pdf Appendix A just lists a bunch of reactions ... with NO dir

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-17 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 01:17 PM 8/17/2012, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Unreadable for me. Full paper : http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2012/ICCF17/ICCF-17-Godes-Controlled-Electron-Capture-Paper.pdf Appendix A just lists a bunch of reactions ... with NO direct reference to WL (may be in the other Godes

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin ICCF17 Presentation - Krivit link

2012-08-17 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 01:17 PM 8/17/2012, you wrote: They quietly endorse Widom-Larsen : Unreadable for me. Krivit is making a Big Deal out of this presentation, and McKubre's co-authorship. I rather doubt that McKubre has reversed his position on neutrons. It is not clear at all that co-authorship represents en

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-17 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 01:17 PM 8/17/2012, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: At 10:24 PM 8/16/2012, you wrote: > https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1SOA7Z4aIGnT_HrshnzNF6vTsgj4PULTBceDyUINIZG8/edit They quietly endorse Widom-Larsen : A Hamiltonian with ≥ 782keV can cause a proton to capture an electron to yield

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-17 Thread ChemE Stewart
Can a cold neutron capture reaction create a temperature inversion like an inhaling singularity can? On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > At 10:24 PM 8/16/2012, you wrote: > >> > From: "Terry Blanton" >> > Jed just informed me that it's okay to open this one: >> > >> >

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-17 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:24 PM 8/16/2012, you wrote: > From: "Terry Blanton" > Jed just informed me that it's okay to open this one: > > https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1SOA7Z4aIGnT_HrshnzNF6vTsgj4PULTBceDyUINIZG8/edit They quietly endorse Widom-Larsen : A Hamiltonian with ≥ 782keV can cause a proton

RE: [Vo]:Brillouin ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-16 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Never mind, took out a '/' and got the link put back together... -mi -Original Message- From: Alan Fletcher [mailto:a...@well.com] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 8:25 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Brillouin ICCF17 Presentation > From: "Terry Blanton&q

RE: [Vo]:Brillouin ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-16 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Alan, The link got mangled and I couldn't get it to work... try tinyurl? -Mark -Original Message- From: Alan Fletcher [mailto:a...@well.com] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 8:25 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Brillouin ICCF17 Presentation > From: "Terry Blant

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-16 Thread Alan Fletcher
> From: "Terry Blanton" > Jed just informed me that it's okay to open this one: > > https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1SOA7Z4aIGnT_HrshnzNF6vTsgj4PULTBceDyUINIZG8/edit They quietly endorse Widom-Larsen : A Hamiltonian with ≥ 782keV can cause a proton to capture an electron to yield an

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-15 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > Whoa. 130 bar & light water electrolysis instead of gas phase! Yeah, what a surprise. T

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-14 Thread Chemical Engineer
I think that is their wet boiler? On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > Whoa. 130 bar & light water electrolysis instead of gas phase! > > > -Original Message- > From: Terry Blanton > > Jed just informed me that it's okay to open this one: > > > https://docs.google.com/p

RE: [Vo]:Brillouin ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-14 Thread Jones Beene
Whoa. 130 bar & light water electrolysis instead of gas phase! -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton Jed just informed me that it's okay to open this one: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1SOA7Z4aIGnT_HrshnzNF6vTsgj4PULTBceDy UINIZG8/edit My wife kept me up long enough talking