Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A friend without health insurance

2008-04-23 Thread thomas malloy
Taylor J. Smith wrote: Ed Storms wrote on 4-21-08: This is indeed a sad story, Jed, that is repeated many times each day. The basic problem is that the American Unless we put medical freedom into the Constitution, the time will come when medicine will organize into an undercover

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A friend without health insurance

2008-04-22 Thread R C Macaulay
Howdy Vorts, A Medivac chopper cost 15k to transport a patient 100 miles. Look around at the medical industry and notice the never ending construction of medical facilities on a huge scale. These new hospital facilities represent a new industry of unprecedented scope and costs. There is no

RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A friend without health insurance

2008-04-22 Thread Jeff Fink
@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A friend without health insurance Yes Jeff, that is an argument that is always raised when some form of socialized medicine is suggested. The fact is that under no successful system is the service completely free. For example, I'm one of the lucky people who

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A friend without health insurance

2008-04-22 Thread Taylor J. Smith
Ed Storms wrote on 4-21-08: This is indeed a sad story, Jed, that is repeated many times each day. The basic problem is that the American people have accepted the idea that life in this country should be based mainly on the individual effort, with socialism being un-American. Liberalism, which

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A friend without health insurance

2008-04-22 Thread leaking pen
Actually, i am. I favor tolls on the goods being shipped by companies along said system using public tax dollars. on the goods, not the trucks, because the truckers have it hard enough as is. On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are opposed to a

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A friend without health insurance

2008-04-22 Thread Nick Palmer
Jeff Fink wrote:- I read that in Great Britain 30% of the people with curable colon cancer are dying from colon cancer, because, by the time the operation is scheduled it is no longer curable Where did you read this? It doesn't sound like the National health Service I know. It's possible

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A friend without health insurance

2008-04-22 Thread Jed Rothwell
Harry Veeder wrote: If you are opposed to a free health care system thean you must have been opposed to the free interstate highway system. Winston Churchill proposed a better analogy for universal free healthcare. He said it is like the fire department. He said, as I recall: * When a

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A friend without health insurance

2008-04-22 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Jed Rothwell wrote: Sometimes they go after the disease has become very serious, and then they are bankrupted by the system, which -- as I said -- may charge a patient his entire net worth in a few days. Healthcare costs are the largest cause of middle-class bankruptcy. Ironically, I've

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A friend without health insurance

2008-04-22 Thread Harry Veeder
On 22/4/2008 9:29 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Harry Veeder wrote: If you are opposed to a free health care system thean you must have been opposed to the free interstate highway system. Winston Churchill proposed a better analogy for universal free healthcare. He said it is like the fire

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A friend without health insurance

2008-04-22 Thread Jed Rothwell
Harry Veeder wrote: Winston Churchill proposed a better analogy for universal free healthcare. He said it is like the fire department. . . . The problem with that analogy is that healthcare is more than just putting out fires. There is the matter of fire prevention and coping with the after

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A friend without health insurance

2008-04-21 Thread Edmund Storms
This is indeed a sad story, Jed, that is repeated many times each day. The basic problem is that the American people have accepted the idea that life in this country should be based mainly on the individual effort, with socialism being un-American. Liberalism, which tries to use the state to

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A friend without health insurance

2008-04-21 Thread leaking pen
I HAVE insurance, but failed to read the deductible part of it. Went to the emergency room for a cut open hand, like, you could see fat tissue and nerves, that cut. Was told as i was leaving they had my insurance info, no problem. Turns out theres a 1 grand deductible on emergency room visits

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A friend without health insurance

2008-04-21 Thread OrionWorks
From Edmond Storms: This is indeed a sad story, Jed, that is repeated many times each day. The basic problem is that the American people have accepted the idea that life in this country should be based mainly on the individual effort, with socialism being un-American. Liberalism, which tries

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A friend without health insurance

2008-04-21 Thread Edmund Storms
Yes, I agree. However, even if I were paying the bill, how would I, while sick, bargain with the doctor to lower my payment? The insurance company and the government are supposed to do this for me, in their own self-interest. If the government were the single payer, they would have a bigger

RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A friend without health insurance

2008-04-21 Thread Jeff Fink
If you think health care is expensive now, just wait till it's free. Jeff -Original Message- From: Edmund Storms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:10 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A friend without health insurance This is indeed a sad

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A friend without health insurance

2008-04-21 Thread leaking pen
Indeed, Senator Kyle a couple of years ago had a talk in the Scottsdale galleria, a large office building where I worked, in a town hall format. He talked about medicare D, and the beauty of how it made the us government the largest single buyer, and how it gave med d such bargaining rights. my

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A friend without health insurance

2008-04-21 Thread Edmund Storms
, April 21, 2008 11:10 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A friend without health insurance This is indeed a sad story, Jed, that is repeated many times each day. The basic problem is that the American people have accepted the idea that life in this country should be based mainly

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC A friend without health insurance

2008-04-21 Thread Harry Veeder
If you are opposed to a free health care system thean you must have been opposed to the free interstate highway system. Harry Jeff Fink wrote: If you think health care is expensive now, just wait till it's free. Jeff