Re: [Vo]:P-e-P is a no-go ! Get over it !

2014-02-14 Thread Edmund Storms
Sent from my iPad On Feb 14, 2014, at 12:31 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: about tritium, and NiH, in your vision, does this mean some d+e+p, or d+e+d happen like p+e+p depending on the available reactant (and I imagine the geometric structure of the fields around). the

Re: [Vo]:P-e-P is a no-go ! Get over it !

2014-02-14 Thread H Veeder
Harry wrote: Fair enough, but may be Ed's starting point is necessary for your reversible proton fusion. Think of it as electron mediated reversible proton fusion. Jones wrote: Astute observation. It is all a matter of probability. But note in the prior post, the premise was stated, and

Re: [Vo]:P-e-P is a no-go ! Get over it !

2014-02-14 Thread Axil Axil
*I would think the 10^20 figure is based on very high temperatures and pressures, so it would not be applicable to a lattice. * Unless we consider the unlimited squeeze placed on accumulating photons and electrons by the uncertainty principle. On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 5:17 PM, H Veeder

Re: [Vo]:P-e-P is a no-go ! Get over it !

2014-02-13 Thread Edmund Storms
Jones, you keep saying no theory explains LENR and keep suggesting reasons to reject while suggesting your own explanation that is isolated to one part of the process. On the other hand, I suggest a comprehensive mechanism that not only can explain all observations wthout adhoc assumptions but

Re: [Vo]:P-e-P is a no-go ! Get over it !

2014-02-13 Thread Alain Sepeda
Seing the idea of p+e+p plus the fact it can only happen in lattice, in some very specific situations, I naturally think about geometry, symmetry... the error of free space nuclear physicist was to think in free space. It seems Takahashi have similar ideas, but with different details... and

Re: [Vo]:P-e-P is a no-go ! Get over it !

2014-02-13 Thread Edmund Storms
Alain, Math is useless because it is based on conventional mechanisms. The process CAN NOT occur in a lattice without violating the laws of thermodynamics. The p+e+p is the only form that can also explain tritium production. These requirements limit what is possible. Please take them into

Re: [Vo]:P-e-P is a no-go ! Get over it !

2014-02-13 Thread Axil Axil
I have not heard of any reports of tritium being generated by the NiH reactor. Is tritium a dot that we need to concern ourselves about? On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 7:23 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote: Alain, Math is useless because it is based on conventional mechanisms. The

Re: [Vo]:P-e-P is a no-go ! Get over it !

2014-02-13 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Thu, 13 Feb 2014 14:02:06 -0800: Hi, [snip] Consider exclusivity. For the sake of argument - even if there are found to be two possible proton reactions, and one reaction is supposed to be different from the known solar reaction, but the outcome is the same

RE: [Vo]:P-e-P is a no-go ! Get over it !

2014-02-13 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com When a gamma reaction is known to happen with the same reactant, how can that reaction be excluded from happening, in a new scenario when both reactions are given enough energy to overcome the fusion threshold? Especially if one (the desired

Re: [Vo]:P-e-P is a no-go ! Get over it !

2014-02-13 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 4:23 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote: The p+e+p is the only form that can also explain tritium production. There are other possible explanations for tritium -- my own favorite lead is that it arises when there is lithium. It is true that some LENR

Re: [Vo]:P-e-P is a no-go ! Get over it !

2014-02-13 Thread Axil Axil
Prove me wrong. Tritium production only happens in the Pd/D system and not in a Ni/H system. On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 10:23 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 4:23 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote: The p+e+p is the only form that can also explain

Re: [Vo]:P-e-P is a no-go ! Get over it !

2014-02-13 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 10:29 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Prove me wrong. Tritium production only happens in the Pd/D system and not in a Ni/H system. I think this is obvious.

Re: [Vo]:P-e-P is a no-go ! Get over it !

2014-02-13 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 7:29 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Prove me wrong. Tritium production only happens in the Pd/D system and not in a Ni/H system. I don't disagree. This seems like a promising conclusion. I'm not aware of any hard evidence one way or the other. Eric

Re: [Vo]:P-e-P is a no-go ! Get over it !

2014-02-13 Thread Edmund Storms
Axil, tritium has been made using H2O, which is close enough. Tritium has been made in the absence of lithium. Ed Storms Sent from my iPad On Feb 13, 2014, at 5:49 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: I have not heard of any reports of tritium being generated by the NiH reactor. Is

Re: [Vo]:P-e-P is a no-go ! Get over it !

2014-02-13 Thread Axil Axil
Close only counts in horse shoes. There is always a small amount of deuterium in water. That tritium could be coming from contamination. On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 10:44 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote: Axil, tritium has been made using H2O, which is close enough. Tritium has been

Re: [Vo]:P-e-P is a no-go ! Get over it !

2014-02-13 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Thu, 13 Feb 2014 19:00:00 -0800: Hi Jones, [snip] -Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com When a gamma reaction is known to happen with the same reactant, how can that reaction be excluded from happening, in a new scenario when both reactions

Re: [Vo]:P-e-P is a no-go ! Get over it !

2014-02-13 Thread H Veeder
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: BTW - take an electron and proton at rest, that system has a mass of 0.511 + 938.272 = 938.8 MeV/c^2. That is the total mass available to that system. It cannot increase above that level unless substantial energy comes

Re: [Vo]:P-e-P is a no-go ! Get over it !

2014-02-13 Thread Alain Sepeda
about tritium, and NiH, in your vision, does this mean some d+e+p, or d+e+d happen like p+e+p depending on the available reactant (and I imagine the geometric structure of the fields around). the fact that d and p have different mass, make the reaction p+e+d very different from p+e+p or d+e+d,