Re: [Vo]:Re: a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-13 Thread Edmund Storms
give photons with 0 spin. Bob . -Original Message- From: Jones Beene tt Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 1:10 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev -Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com The most elegant

RE: [Vo]:Re: a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-13 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Bob Cook Jones--Bob Cook Here-- Can you show how the p-e-p reaction as you understand it conserves spin? Hi Bob, No one can adequately explain the many inconsistencies of this proposed route to gain in LENR. Were it not for the reputation of the proponents,

Re: [Vo]:Re: a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-13 Thread Axil Axil
I say in LENR that the double proton(spin 0) fusion happens then after this fusion occurs an electron(spin -1/2) capture comes next (reverse beta decay) the spin of 1/2 is removed by an electron neutrino.

Re: [Vo]:Re: a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-13 Thread David Roberson
-Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Feb 13, 2014 10:08 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev I say in LENR that the double proton(spin 0) fusion happens then after this fusion occurs an electron(spin -1/2) capture

RE: [Vo]:Re: a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-13 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Edmund Storms Bob, ES: these three particles create a deuteron after all of the excess mass energy has been emitted as photons. The neutrino has very little energy because very little remains when the d forms. The creation process is unique to lenr and applies

Re: [Vo]:Re: a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-13 Thread Axil Axil
There is one complication that does not fall out of these various single track theories of LENR fusion. That complication is the Fission/Fusion reaction. What causes many protons to fuse with a high Z element like nickel? This process results in many and various secondary reaction trees producing

Re: [Vo]:Re: a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-13 Thread mixent
In reply to Bob Cook's message of Thu, 13 Feb 2014 06:52:29 -0800: Hi, [snip] Ed--Bob here-- The protons are fermi particles with a spin of 1/2, so 2 protons would create a new particle spin of 1 plus the 1/2 from the electron for a total of +1-1/2. I think deuteron's are Bose particles with a

Re: [Vo]:Re: a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-13 Thread Axil Axil
e-18 sec.) Bob *From:* Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com *Sent:* Thursday, February 13, 2014 9:54 AM *To:* vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Re: a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev There is one complication that does not fall out of these various single track theories of LENR

Re: [Vo]:Re: a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-13 Thread mixent
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Thu, 13 Feb 2014 12:54:11 -0500: Hi, [snip] In a series of independent secondary reactions, excess protons within the nuclei of this collection of multiple fission reaction products would then be converted to neutrons through electron capture after the primary

Re: [Vo]:Re: a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-13 Thread Axil Axil
With fusion/fission in mind and its need for neutrons, it might make things go smother in the reaction if the nickel's isotope neutron profile was increased say to Ni62 or Ni64. That will supply 34 or 36 extra neutrons to form light elements more readily. On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:04 PM,

Re: [Vo]:Re: a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-13 Thread H Veeder
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: There is one complication that does not fall out of these various single track theories of LENR fusion. That complication is the Fission/Fusion reaction. What causes many protons to fuse with a high Z element like nickel?

Re: [Vo]:Re: a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-13 Thread Axil Axil
Yes, 1/2 and the electron neutrino has that same spin. On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:59 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote: Axil--Bob Cook Here-- On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: I say in LENR that the double proton(spin 0) fusion happens then

Re: [Vo]:Re: a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-13 Thread Axil Axil
Theory has to account for the DGT ash assay released in ICCF-17. http://cdn.coldfusionnow.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/2012-08-13-ICCF-17__Paper_DGTGx.pdf See Table 3. We learned from the MIT lecture that the coupling between the nuclear reaction site and the gamma/energy receiver must be

Re: [Vo]:Re: a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-13 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 6:39 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: If so, if it were possible to switch the barrier off, that would be like opening a floodgate, so to speak. Fusion is likely to follow but it would not be a necessity for the release of energy. It seems to me that in order

Re: [Vo]:Re: a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-13 Thread Axil Axil
The energy for the switch comes from infrared heat concentrated by 20 orders of magnitude and positive feed back of nuclear energy from the nuclear reaction. The magnitude of the magnetic field that does the screening is between 10^5 and10^12 tesla. On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 10:19 PM, Eric Walker

Re: [Vo]:Re: a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-13 Thread Bob Cook
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Re: a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev Ed--Bob here-- The protons are fermi particles with a spin of 1/2, so 2 protons would create a new particle spin of 1 plus the 1/2 from the electron for a total of +1-1/2. I think deuteron's are Bose particles with a spin of 0

Re: [Vo]:Re: a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-13 Thread Axil Axil
--that angular momentum is not conserved in the lenr new nuclear process? Bob -Original Message- From: Bob Cook Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 6:52 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Re: a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev Ed--Bob here-- The protons are fermi particles

Re: [Vo]:Re: a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-13 Thread Axil Axil
in the lenr new nuclear process? Bob -Original Message- From: Bob Cook Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 6:52 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Re: a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev Ed--Bob here-- The protons are fermi particles with a spin of 1/2, so 2 protons would create a new

Re: [Vo]:Re: a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-13 Thread Mark Jurich
Bob wrote: | Axil I believe electrons have a spin of +1/2, not –1/2. The outgoing neutrino would have to have | a –1/2 spin—maybe an electron anti neutrino or whatever its called—a positron neutrino. ... Sorry for barging into this convo here, but I thought it would be useful to

Re: [Vo]:Re: a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-13 Thread mixent
In reply to Bob Cook's message of Thu, 13 Feb 2014 18:59:06 -0800: Hi, [snip] Axil I believe electrons have a spin of +1/2, not –1/2. The outgoing neutrino would have to have a –1/2 spin—maybe an electron anti neutrino or whatever its called—a positron neutrino. Bob AFAIK The spin quantum