Re: [Vo]: Tubular Lifter (again)

2007-03-26 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Thu, 01 Mar 2007 00:46:34 -0500: Hi Harry, [snip] Yes, but how can you be certain (other than by a the laws of physics argument) that the tube is not contributing a novel lifting force when the power exceeds a certain value. I can't. I'm just explaining

Re: [Vo]: Tubular Lifter (again)

2007-02-28 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Fri, 23 Feb 2007 01:29:58 -0500: Hi Harry, [snip] Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:11:03 -0500: Hi, [snip] Michel Jullian wrote: The tube doesn't oscillate because the process Robin described is

Re: [Vo]: Tubular Lifter (again)

2007-02-28 Thread Harry Veeder
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Fri, 23 Feb 2007 01:29:58 -0500: Hi Harry, [snip] Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:11:03 -0500: Hi, [snip] Michel Jullian wrote: The tube doesn't oscillate because

Re: [Vo]: Tubular Lifter (again)

2007-02-23 Thread Michel Jullian
- Original Message - From: Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 7:29 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]: Tubular Lifter (again) For this to be plausible the tube could never be neutral. In fact, if the tube's charge were to fall below some minimum

Re: [Vo]: Tubular Lifter (again)

2007-02-23 Thread Harry Veeder
Michel Jullian wrote: - Original Message - From: Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 7:29 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]: Tubular Lifter (again) For this to be plausible the tube could never be neutral. In fact, if the tube's charge were

Re: [Vo]: Tubular Lifter (again)

2007-02-22 Thread Harry Veeder
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:20:29 -0500: Hi, [snip] The upper positive wire produces a positive ion cloud beneath so they repel each other. If I have understood the EHD account correctly, the force of repulsion is predicted to be

Re: [Vo]: Tubular Lifter (again)

2007-02-22 Thread Michel Jullian
) The tube doesn't oscillate because the process Robin described is continuous. Michel - Original Message - From: Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]: Tubular Lifter (again) Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply

Re: [Vo]: Tubular Lifter (again)

2007-02-22 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Thu, 22 Feb 2007 02:57:25 -0500: Hi, [snip] The wire creates a positive cloud. The tube attached to the negative terminal is negative, and hence attracts the positive air cloud. This pulls the tube up, and the cloud down. When the positive cloud comes in

Re: [Vo]: Tubular Lifter (again)

2007-02-22 Thread Harry Veeder
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Thu, 22 Feb 2007 02:57:25 -0500: Hi, [snip] The wire creates a positive cloud. The tube attached to the negative terminal is negative, and hence attracts the positive air cloud. This pulls the tube up, and the cloud down.

Re: [Vo]: Tubular Lifter (again)

2007-02-22 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:11:03 -0500: Hi, [snip] Michel Jullian wrote: The tube doesn't oscillate because the process Robin described is continuous. For this to be plausible the tube could never be neutral. In fact, if the tube's charge were to fall below some

Re: [Vo]: Tubular Lifter (again)

2007-02-22 Thread Harry Veeder
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:11:03 -0500: Hi, [snip] Michel Jullian wrote: The tube doesn't oscillate because the process Robin described is continuous. For this to be plausible the tube could never be neutral. In fact, if the

Re: [Vo]: Tubular Lifter (again)

2007-02-21 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Harry Veeder wrote: I would like to reconsider the tubular lifter experiment which I mentioned last week. The upper positive wire produces a positive ion cloud beneath so they repel each other. If I have understood the EHD account correctly, the force of repulsion is predicted to be greater

Re: [Vo]: Tubular Lifter (again)

2007-02-21 Thread Harry Veeder
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Harry Veeder wrote: I would like to reconsider the tubular lifter experiment which I mentioned last week. The upper positive wire produces a positive ion cloud beneath so they repel each other. If I have understood the EHD account correctly, the force of

Re: [Vo]: Tubular Lifter (again)

2007-02-21 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:20:29 -0500: Hi, [snip] The upper positive wire produces a positive ion cloud beneath so they repel each other. If I have understood the EHD account correctly, the force of repulsion is predicted to be greater than the force of attraction