Re: [Vo]:Photos of the Ivanpah solar electric generating system

2014-03-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: No robo-washers on those mirrors. There are robot washers on those mirrors. We have been over this. The people at Ivanpah specifically said they have robot washers. You may not like this technology, but please stop making false assertions about it to

Re: [Vo]:Photos of the Ivanpah solar electric generating system

2014-03-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: 400 MW Natural Gas plant would cost $400M VS. $2.2b with much less equipment and would generate CO2 to feed the trees. :) On the other hand, over the life of a natural gas plant you have to pay for a lot of gas, whereas sunlight is free. $2.2 billion

Re: [Vo]:Photos of the Ivanpah solar electric generating system

2014-03-05 Thread ChemE Stewart
Jed, Those mirrors do not have that electrostatic cleaning device installed on every mirror. That Youtube you showed was an animation. You stick to the facts On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: No robo-washers

Re: [Vo]:Photos of the Ivanpah solar electric generating system

2014-03-05 Thread ChemE Stewart
Steam Boilers, Steam Turbines and flat mirrors are a matured technology, have been in use for 100 years On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: 400 MW Natural Gas plant would cost $400M VS. $2.2b with much less

Re: [Vo]:Photos of the Ivanpah solar electric generating system

2014-03-05 Thread ChemE Stewart
Solar panels and mirrors need to be cleaned almost daily if efficiencies are to stay where they need to be. Dust is not transparent, so even just one gram of dust per square meter of solar panel area can reduce efficiency by around 40

Re: [Vo]:Photos of the Ivanpah solar electric generating system

2014-03-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Solar panels and mirrors need to be cleaned almost daily if efficiencies are to stay where they need to be. That is not what the researchers at Google and others associated with this installation say. I recall they said mirrors need to be washed every

Re: [Vo]:Photos of the Ivanpah solar electric generating system

2014-03-05 Thread ChemE Stewart
Jed, it really depends upon what the weather is doing. That is a brand new solar trough plant at the link I sent you that shows the mirror washing truck with a robotic arm. You can have one high wind/dust storm in the desert that screws up all of your mirrors suddenly and you lose 40% flux.

RE: [Vo]:Photos of the Ivanpah solar electric generating system

2014-03-05 Thread Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.
, March 5, 2014 8:41 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Photos of the Ivanpah solar electric generating system Solar panels and mirrors need to be cleaned almost daily if efficiencies are to stay where they need to be. Dust is not transparent, so even just one gram of dust per square meter

Re: [Vo]:Photos of the Ivanpah solar electric generating system

2014-03-05 Thread ChemE Stewart
'); *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Photos of the Ivanpah solar electric generating system Solar panels and mirrors need to be cleaned almost daily if efficiencies are to stay where they need to be. Dust is not transparent, so even just one gram of dust per square meter of solar panel area can reduce efficiency

Re: [Vo]:Photos of the Ivanpah solar electric generating system

2014-03-04 Thread ChemE Stewart
No robo-washers on those mirrors. Let's say $100 per auto robo cleaner x 374,000 = $37,400,000 upgrade. You can hire a lot of sharecropper squeegie guys for that price. PV don't need no operators, no control room, no 40 story tower, no steam turbine, no steam boiler, no package boiler for