Re: [Vo]:Wind-Switching.: Making butanol for a dollar a gallon

2008-02-12 Thread Michael Foster
While it might be true that we need new engines for most of the new fuels, butanol can be used in gasoline engines with little or no modification, making Jones' idea doubly useful. --- R.C.Macaulay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (snip) In this admosphere and culture, don't expect results. Expect

Re: [Vo]:Wind-Switching.: Making butanol for a dollar a gallon

2008-02-12 Thread Nick Palmer
Jones, far be it from me to knock any idea to expand the use of wind power but wouldn't it be simpler to use a pyrolysing/gasification process to turn the cellulose into syngas? This has the added benefit that part of the biomass feedstock could be turned into bio-char which is being researched

Re: [Vo]:Wind-Switching.: Making butanol for a dollar a gallon

2008-02-12 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to R.C.Macaulay's message of Tue, 12 Feb 2008 11:57:49 -0600: Hi, [snip] I suggested the design approach to a new engine would be by designing a transmission with an engine inside rather than an engine with a transmission inside.That ridiculus remark almost got me kicked outa the

Re: [Vo]:Wind-Switching.: Making butanol for a dollar a gallon

2008-02-12 Thread Jones Beene
--- Michael : While it might be true that we need new engines for most of the new fuels, butanol can be used in gasoline engines with little or no modification, making Jones' idea doubly useful. Indeed. It even gives us slightly better mileage and less toxic emissions in older gasoline engines

Re: [Vo]:Wind-Switching.: Making butanol for a dollar a gallon

2008-02-12 Thread Mike Carrell
- Original Message - From: Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip Sounds like an electric motor in each wheel. ;) MC: A Japanese group has built an all electric car with stunning performance, using eight in-wheel motors and lithium -ion-cost-no-object batteries. There is a

Re: [Vo]:Wind-Switching.: Making butanol for a dollar a gallon

2008-02-12 Thread Jones Beene
--- Nick but wouldn't it be simpler to use a pyrolysing/gasification process to turn the cellulose into syngas? Simpler yes, and it would be a lower initial investment... perhaps it is a good way to start-out, but significant CO2 is produced; whereas with the aqua-gen type of conversion,

Re: [Vo]:Wind-Switching.: Making butanol for a dollar a gallon

2008-02-12 Thread thomas malloy
Jones Beene wrote: One further thought on a partial, practical and simple but innovative solution - to the over-use of fossil fuels in the USA: Putting wind to work on switchgrass farms. Indian Reservations, which need the jobs and investment. Too bad the geographical areas which would