Re: [Vo]:Re: Eye of the Gyre

2008-05-03 Thread Nick Palmer
Michel, are you absolutely sure that you are French? You don't want to eat your horse and your English is better than that of most native speakers... I think the point was that the *water* began to run out and horses drink a lot of it so, to conserve supplies, they get thrown over first...

[Vo]:Re: Eye of the Gyre

2008-05-03 Thread Michel Jullian
You are too indulgent Nick. Not so many French eat horse meat actually, I would say much less than one in ten. I had got the point about the water, I still think it would have made more sense to eat the horses than just throw them over board... but of course I wouldn't expect an Englishman,

Re: [Vo]:Re: Eye of the Gyre

2008-05-03 Thread Jones Beene
At the risk of stirring up another Hundred Years' War, let me opine that the British Taboo on horse meat seems to be fairly recent, or else ignored in Yorkshire, and now has evolved into an item of jealous yearning ... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1551693/The-merits-of-horse-meat.html

RE: [Vo]:Re: Eye of the Gyre

2008-05-03 Thread Lawrence de Bivort
Hmmm...would that be fast food? Lawry -Original Message- From: Jones Beene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 10:39 AM To: vortex Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Eye of the Gyre At the risk of stirring up another Hundred Years' War, let me opine that the British Taboo on

[Vo]:Fresnel focused solar

2008-05-03 Thread Jones Beene
Looks like this company beat Michael Foster to market... http://www.sunrgi.com/ ... or not CAVEAT: an (open-minded but non-gullible) associate of mine, who follows this technology from silicon valley, in a phone call just now - says he is skeptical of this particular outfit- he stopped short of

[Vo]:Re: Fresnel focused solar

2008-05-03 Thread Michel Jullian
Would cost more than plain cell wouldn't it? Michel - Original Message - From: Jones Beene To: vortex Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 6:08 PM Subject: [Vo]:Fresnel focused solar ... If Nanosolar is for real, maybe they should get together with a Fresnel maker ? Jones

Re: [Vo]:Fresnel focused solar

2008-05-03 Thread Mike Carrell
Small problem: frenels make cheap concentrators, but then you need sun-tracking mounting, not shown, and that can be quite expensive. Non-focusing concentrators have been devised, but such are not shown. Mike Carrell - Original Message - From: Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: [Vo]:Fresnel focused solar

2008-05-03 Thread R C Macaulay
Howdy Jones, Looks like Sun-glitch has figured out a way to use seal beam headlamps for solar concentrators.. probably be lotsa old cars with empty tanks missing headlights it these guys can get off the ground. Vancouver has become the rival of Las Vegas for creating a whole new industry of

Re: [Vo]:Re: Fresnel focused solar

2008-05-03 Thread Jones Beene
--- Michel Jullian wrote: Would cost more than plain cell wouldn't it? Much less, supposedly. Here's why (without citations): the cost per unit of surface area of solar cells is many, many times more expensive than the fresnel concentrator (which is relatively cheap). Plus the concentrator

[Vo]:LENR-CANR.org total downloads exceed 1 million

2008-05-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
See: http://lenr-canr.org/News.htm#Downloads

Re: [Vo]:Fresnel focused solar

2008-05-03 Thread Jones Beene
--- Mike Carrell wrote: Small problem: frenels make cheap concentrators, but then you need sun-tracking mounting, not shown, and that can be quite expensive. There is an added cost, of course, but supposedly there would also be a fast payback, especially in winter and especially for modular

Re: [Vo]:Fresnel focused solar

2008-05-03 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sat, 3 May 2008 09:08:01 -0700 (PDT): Hi, [snip] Looks like this company beat Michael Foster to market... http://www.sunrgi.com/ [snip] Q10: Will this technology have an effect on the dependency that the U.S. has on foreign oil? A: Yes it will. Right now very

Re: [Vo]:Fresnel focused solar

2008-05-03 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Mike Carrell's message of Sat, 3 May 2008 13:03:03 -0400: Hi, [snip] Small problem: frenels make cheap concentrators, but then you need sun-tracking mounting, not shown, and that can be quite expensive. Non-focusing concentrators have been devised, but such are not shown. Mike

Re: [Vo]:Fresnel focused solar

2008-05-03 Thread Michael Foster
It's so much fun to hear all you folks speculate on what's happening in this particular field. First, no one or no company has beat me to the punch in using fresnel lenses to concentrate sunlight for a photovoltaic system. This is an old and obvious idea, newly revived because of the run up in

Re: [Vo]:Fresnel focused solar

2008-05-03 Thread Jones Beene
--- Michael, Hey, we kibitzers were merely waiting for you to focus some light on the subject, so to speak ... BTW- have you had a comparative look at what would be the optimum level of 'shrinkage' for the solar cell itself when under Fresnel concentration ? ... let me see if I can ask that