On Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:37 PM Dennis wrote
I don't see the risk in the electrical conversion conversion failure. I
don't think that the device
would fail to disaster if the stimulation/heater/ whatever (80 or so Watts
used in the demo)
would be removed. Perhaps if the cooling
On Thursday, March 03, 2011 9:21 PM Jones Beene wrote
In so doing, only one cell in the entire
array need to be elaborately controlled by electrical input - and the
remaining 99 (if there are 100) are cascaded off the hot water (superheated)
output of the first cell, in stages. Superheated
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Yes. Your fear would be shared by the majority in the USA, and that is
likely to be the major reason that Rossi is not doing it here. He knows he
would not see this device sold here during his lifetime, due to the NRC.
I think you are exaggerating the
Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote:
I agree the “explosion “ scenario is unlikely but I could see a loss of
catalytic properties . . .
I do not know of any reason to think that there might be a nuclear explosion
but based on the 130 kW heat excursion with the small unit I
Dennis den...@netmdc.com wrote:
I don't see much advantage in going from an uncontrolled 10 kW demo with no
control and little
instrumentation to a 1MW device with no control and even less
instrumentation with no
chance of independent verification of the measurements and check by first
In the early days of CF I talked with some SALT treaty people at LANL about the
legal implications of
cold fusion. Basically, if a device is not producing neutrons or is using
materials with none-natural
isotopic materials it seems to fall outside of the legal jurisdiction of such
treaties
From Jones
...
Others apparently feel as I do, that a device that cannot be safely
unplugged makes me nervous.
Yes. Nuclear reactors (fission type) make me nervous. I wouldn't want
to live near one.
Indeed, the current lack of a clear understanding of the engineering
(and theory) involved
From Jones
...
Others apparently feel as I do, that a device that cannot be safely
unplugged makes me nervous.
Yes. Nuclear reactors (fission type) make me nervous. I wouldn't want
to live near one.
Indeed, the current lack of a clear understanding of the engineering
(and theory) involved
Fran,
Yes, if a magnetic pulse is needed you are correct and cascading won't work.
Brian Ahern also tells me superheated water will not work for this, which
would mean that a molten salt would be needed instead. There could be other
advantages to a molten salt as well. I wonder if a magnetic
From Jed:
From Jones:
Yes. Your fear would be shared by the majority in the USA,
and that is likely to be the major reason that Rossi is not
doing it here. He knows he would not see this device sold
here during his lifetime, due to the NRC.
I think you are exaggerating the power of the
I described the test of the Hydrodynamics heater at the fire department in
Georgia. They used the water meter to determine the flow rate, dial
thermometers to measure temperature, and a power analyzer to determine total
energy consumption.
If a person had several months to prepare and a few
Yes, the system tends toward inaction instead of action.
Like in Wisconsin, some senators ran away to avoid voting and acting
while there is great pain and hostility developing from their avoiding
the democratic process. People tend to do nothing instead of acting.
I fear that the system when
On Friday, March 04, 2011 9:55 AM Jones Beene wrote
I wonder if a magnetic pulse, or a
pulse wave is involved in the operation.
Jones,
I am now coming to this same conclusion, thermal transfer rates from 5 PLC
heaters spread throughout 1 liter of powder doesn't seem fast enough. If the
PWM
I believe that a 1MW system is not the way for Rossi to go. I do not
understand the rational.
What would you do with 1MW composed of 100 units?
Again, several independent 1 to 10 KW system are more realistic.
They could easily be placed on a glass table or something like that or be
free to
On Friday, March 04, 2011 9:55 AM Jones Beene wrote
I wonder if a magnetic pulse, or a
pulse wave is involved in the operation.
Jones,
I am now coming to this same conclusion, thermal transfer rates from 5 PLC
heaters spread throughout 1 liter of powder doesn't seem fast enough.
Americans spend $2500 per capita on energy. $10,000 per year for a family of
four. When every person in the US fully realizes that we can reduce that
cost a few dollars per year, and that people in China and every other
country art rapidly doing that, there is absolutely positively no force on
Dear Colleagues,
my guess is that the next Bologna demonstration
(oficial or not) will be a long term experiment
with zero or very small input. ( a month?)
Piantelli had a cell of 70W output working for
more months more than 2 years ago.
Ni-H cells work.
It will be very interesting to know how
Fran,
Yes you could be exactly right! Nanopowder or nickel black or Raney is poor
for heat transfer, and passing current through it as Dennis suggests, could
risk damaging the nanostructure. It would not be very conductive
electrically anyway.
This may indeed be one major key to the
Dennis wrote:
Again I am not he, but I would opt for several small units to prove
reproducibility,
It should be obvious by now, and Rossi has stated it many times... his opinion
on how to convince
anyone, be they political or scientific or the press, is to build and install a
decent size
Terry,
Very interesting radio-interview.
Did you listen to the Second part too?
It really becomes very interesting around 1:45 when a link with
cold-fusion and materials like Red Mercury, Platinum, Paladium,
Graphite rods etc are made.
So the suggestion that Rossi is from the future isn't as
Please excuse the long posting. It will never happen again :-)
There is the possibility of a multitude of semantic ambiguities when these
two phrases are used together: inversion temperature vs thermal
inversion. which should be cleared up - especially now that we are in a
situation where the two
Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
It should be obvious by now, and Rossi has stated it many times... his
opinion on how to convince anyone, be they political or scientific or the
press, is to build and install a decent size plant.
That's right. Rossi has often said this, and I see
Hey, Jed and all,
Have you all seen the following commentary:
Why Amazon would be smart to give away the Kindle
http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/mobile/03/04/amazon.free.kindle/index.html?hpt=C2
http://tinyurl.com/4catda6
Excerpt:
Last year, nearly $1 billion in e-books were sold, according to
I wrote:
Only the most obtuse scientist would claim there might be a problem with the
15 kW test.
I mean, a problem other than the possibility it is fake, with Levi in
cahoots with Rossi. I think everyone acknowledges that is possible. Aside
from that, I do not think there are any valid
Why Amazon would be smart to give away the Kindle
http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/mobile/03/04/amazon.free.kindle/index.html?hpt=C2
http://tinyurl.com/4catda6
Additional excerpt:
According to Kelly, Bezos merely smiled and said, 'Oh, you noticed
that!' And then smiled again.
...
Make it
I meant to say that any military OFFICER will see the advantages of cold
fusion powered equipment, such as aircraft and tanks. A cold fusion
powered nuclear bomb would not be necessary and I doubt such a thing is
possible. Direct use of cold fusion energy to destroy objects with
lasers, heat
They already do give away Kindle readers. You can download Kindle-reader
software for any computer, PC or Mac, for free. The IPad version is also
free. It has been clear for some time that their strategy is to make
money from the books, not the hardware.
If they were to give away the Kindle
Industrial tests can bring surprises, therefore Rossi will have to prepare
some alternatives. He and the Defkalion people will make a sufficient number
of rehearsals before going public.
By the way- this website http://www.defkalion-energy.com/ is active now.
Gives address, phone etc.
On Fri, Mar
At 05:20 PM 3/3/2011, Terry Blanton wrote:
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
There is allegedly some device that enhances battery life in golf carts, I
had some discussion with a fellow who claimed to be working for
the company,
which he would
Peter Gluck wrote:
Industrial tests can bring surprises, therefore Rossi will have to
prepare some alternatives.
As far as I know, they have no intention of doing that. They are putting
all of their eggs in a 1 MW basket.
- Jed
At 06:37 PM 3/3/2011, you wrote:
BTW - If you haven't seen it, here is the preliminary WIPO rejection notice
of most of the claims of the Rossi patent
http://www.newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2011/36/Rossi-Patent-Application-WO-2009-125444-PrelimReport.pdf
Just not surprising at all. My
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
Just not surprising at all. My hypothesis would be that Rossi expected
this, and filed the patent only to create publicity.
Bad publicity. Frankly, it makes him look stupid. I cannot think of any
reason why he would want to do that.
The disclosures in the patent
Hi folks .. I've been following you for a while, but this is my first post
March 3rd, 2011 at 6:25 PM
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=360cpage=10#comment-26136
Dear Renaissance Man:
Thank you for your kind blessing. I always appreciate it. I need it.
We are now making a RD work
Hi folks .. I've been following you for a while, but this is my first post
March 3rd, 2011 at 6:25 PM
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=360cpage=10#comment-26136
Dear Renaissance Man:
Thank you for your kind blessing. I always appreciate it. I need it.
We are now making a RD work
From Jed:
...
If they were to give away the Kindle hardware gadget at
this stage, I imagine the government anti-trust people
would look askance. Amazon would be giving away the gadgets
at a substantial loss, and I suppose regulators would see
that as an unfair way to squelch competing
Jones Beene wrote:
As any fool can see, this kind of device would be ideal for the
military – tank, submarine, drone airplane that stays aloft for months
… Maybe some observers thought we were joking about a threat from
Russian interests (or Chinese, Arabs, Israel etc) .
With this kind of
OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:
Nevertheless, as you also stated ...at this stage. Seems to me that
it just a matter of time before products like the Kindle, or its
progeny will end up being given away for free . . .
Sure. As soon as they can demonstrate to the regulators that the cost
I initially commented on ways of faking and detecting the January
setup in Physorg (posting as alanf777):
http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-01-italian-scientists-cold-fusion-video.html
but discussion there has died down.
My basic methodology of eliminating fakes is to presume that the
ENTIRE
Nice work.
I'm assuming that you recognize that there is a fair probability of the
Rossi device being gainful, in a non-chemical way and non-deceptive way ...
or else you would have remained at the higher comfort level of Physorg-style
reflexive tunnel-vision ... which most of those dinosaurs are
In the document you wrote:
For FUTURE WATER versions we need:
Input electrical power (BETWEEN the control panel and the reactor)
Why does this matter? What difference can it make? We know how much
electricity goes into the box, and there is no way more than that can go
into the machine.
I wrote:
No common chemical and very few exotic chemicals can produce more energy
than gasoline . . .
By volume or by weight, as far as I know.
Gasoline produces ~45 MJ/kg according to most sources.
Wikipedia, which is sometimes good for something, says methane produces 50
MJ/kg. See:
At 01:34 PM 3/4/2011, you wrote:
In the document you wrote:
For FUTURE WATER versions we need:
Input electrical power (BETWEEN the control panel and the reactor)
Why does this matter? What difference can it make? We know how much
electricity goes into the box, and there is no way more than
At 01:46 PM 3/4/2011, you wrote:
I wrote:
No common chemical and very few exotic chemicals can produce more
energy than gasoline . . .
By volume or by weight, as far as I know.
Gasoline produces ~45 MJ/kg according to most sources.
Wikipedia, which is sometimes good for something, says
Alan J Fletcher wrote:
12 kW. The flames and ventilation holes are quite large, and you can
easily see the flames. I expect that a 130 kW reaction in a 1 L
volume would be incandescent, so if there were holes, you would notice.
To TEST it you'd either have to seal it, or at least run a smoke
Alan J Fletcher wrote:
Book? I gotta read BOOKS ???=8-)
Hey, it's on line. Even on the Kindle. I think I have sold a dozen
copies on the Kindle in two years.
Nobody WEIGHED anything, so I have to use VOLUME.
They weighed the hydrogen tank, before and after. That's a crude method,
Book? I gotta read BOOKS ???=8-)
Hey, it's on line. Even on the Kindle. I think I have sold a dozen
copies on the Kindle in two years.
I'll google it.
I looked at the combustion wiki, but they only give energy by weight.
I'll stick with the energy density.
They weighed the hydrogen
There is another way to view all this.
For weeks now there has been discussion here about how the system could be
faked or what Rossi should do. I seriously doubt that he cares what is said
here and likely does not read it.
It could be that he does not even need to worry about others doubts
Jed Rothwell
: That's what I say to you young wiper-snappers.
I haven't been called a whipper-snapper in ... what .. 40 years or more
!
I do admit to being more of a reformed physicist than a reformed
chemist.
My background :
B.Sc. -- Physics and Math (1963) One course in
chemistry!
B.Sc Hons --
On Mar 4, 2011, at 12:46 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
I wrote:
No common chemical and very few exotic chemicals can produce more
energy than gasoline . . .
By volume or by weight, as far as I know.
Even aluminum, silicon, and anthracite beat gasoline in MJ/liter. See:
Dennis wrote:
For example what if some company just says: here is a warehouse, here
is a sewer drain, here is a water hydrant, and here is an electric
utility pole and meter. Now just give us 1MW of heat in the water
flow for 2 weeks. He moves his device(s) into the warehouse and does
New battle ensues in the attack on the dollar:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/02/china-economy-yuan-
idUSBJA00246420110302
http://tinyurl.com/4oyblda
(Reuters) - China hopes to allow all exporters and importers to
settle their cross-border trades in the yuan by this year, the
Hi Horace,
I have been thinking about trapped electrons, and I am not sure they are trapped
at all. My reasoning is as follows, please correct any errors.
I'll use the following reaction as an example:
Ni62 + H - Cu63 + 6.123 MeV
In Cu63 there are no electrons in the nucleus (normally), so the
Thanks for your comments. I think it's worth finishing this up.
I've taken the liberty of renaming the subject line to separate it
from the 1MW discussion and to add keywords
Previous discussion started at
: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg43298.html
The index remains
This could eventually make oil, and many other things, unaffordable
to the USA. We can't keep printing our way out of the crisis. We need
LENR energy now.
---
Unfortunately, LENR doesn't seem to available yet, so, in my opinion,
we should bite the bullet and buy American made, and try to
In reply to OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson's message of Thu, 3 Mar 2011
07:28:51 -0600:
Hi,
[snip]
Any reasonable guesstamate as to how much energy, theoretically speaking
here, could be tapped into?
A rough calculation of the power delivered by the average Solar wind based on an
Earth
In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Thu, 3 Mar 2011 10:12:11 -0900:
Hi,
[snip]
On Mar 3, 2011, at 8:59 AM, Terry Blanton wrote:
http://blastr.com/2011/03/giant-chamber-on-the-moon.php
with must-see piccy.
Apparently it is a lava tube.
In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Thu, 3 Mar 2011 12:23:50 -0900:
Hi,
[snip]
On Mar 3, 2011, at 8:59 AM, Terry Blanton wrote:
http://blastr.com/2011/03/giant-chamber-on-the-moon.php
with must-see piccy.
Source article on the lava tube:
In reply to Abd ul-Rahman Lomax's message of Fri, 04 Mar 2011 14:39:04 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
It's no secret:
http://energenx.com/products.html
The Bedini pulse charger removes sulfides from the plates.
Isn't that sulfates?
Maybe that's it, maybe not. My impression was of a European company,
but
This paper published in 1984 describes a little known experiment in radiant
cooling done in the late 18th century by Pictet and repeated a few years later
by Count Rumford.
http://www2.ups.edu/faculty/jcevans/Pictet's%20experiment.pdf
What we usually hear about Rumford is his canon boring
On Mar 4, 2011, at 3:13 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
Hi Horace,
I have been thinking about trapped electrons, and I am not sure
they are trapped
at all. My reasoning is as follows, please correct any errors.
I assume you mean correct from the perspective of my deflation
fusion theory.
Greetings Vortex-l
Chiral Graviton New Scientist:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20928024.100-gravitys-bias-for-left-may-be-writ-in-the-sky.html
Ron Kita , Chiralex
Here:
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg42574.html
I posted, If the elements of a hydrogen cluster are energetically
entangled, even by a small thermal energy amount, and their
wavefunctions overlapped, then a deflation fusion event feasible by
one member of the cluster
From: Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, March 3, 2011 9:26:31 AM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Tunneling
on Wednesday, March 02, 2011 11:27 Harry Veeder wrote
[snip]The concept of quantum mechanical tunneling suggests that a
particle
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