[Vo]:E-Cat explained by Yeong E. Kim, prof. physics at Pardue Uni.

2011-07-08 Thread Daniel Rocha
The preprint is out and he refers to the january and march's demonstration:

http://www.physics.purdue.edu/people/faculty/yekim/BECNF-Ni-Hydrogen.pdf

It was announced on July 4th on this post,
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=497cpage=14#comment-50600,
but it wasn't available at the time.



[Vo]:Re: telescope funding

2011-07-08 Thread Rich Murray
The James Webb Space Telescope scientists could form a public service
corporation to be owned democratically by shareholders who buy stock
and bonds, to get 10% yearly dividends from ads running on every Net
site that shares the photos and data worldwide for free, and
reasonably priced income from profit-making firms and persons who do
research and make and sell books, media, and feature movies and
advertisements that use the photos...

On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 7:12 AM, michael barron mhbar...@gmail.com wrote:
 R:
 fyi
 http://science.slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=viewtype=storysid=11/07/07/0038247
 :M







[Vo]:Defkalion Forum closed .. until further notice

2011-07-08 Thread Alan J Fletcher


Due to an overload in traffic and a bottleneck in moderating
discussions, Defkalion Green Technologies has decided to temporarily
freeze this Forum’s operation until further notice. All comments have
been welcomed. We thank you all for your participation. For those with an
interest to collaborate with Defkalion Green Technologies on
international sales, RD and for HR purposes, please use our ‘Contact
Us’ page on this website. 




[Vo]:Defkalion closes forum

2011-07-08 Thread Jed Rothwell

Here a notice at the Defkalion forum:

Due to an overload in traffic and a bottleneck in moderating 
discussions, Defkalion Green Technologies has decided to temporarily 
freeze this Forum’s operation until further notice. All comments have 
been welcomed. We thank you all for your participation. For those with 
an interest to collaborate with Defkalion Green Technologies on 
international sales, RD and for HR purposes, please use our ‘Contact 
Us’ page on this website.


I have had constant timeout problems trying to access it. I thought it 
was a dumb idea for them to have a forum in the first place. They should 
have just uploaded the information that their moderator has provided, in 
a single organized document. A forum to discuss the technology should be 
independent of the company, as this forum is. The problem here is broken 
servers and people in jail.


- Jed



[Vo]:video of Defkalion press conference

2011-07-08 Thread Harry Veeder
video of june 23rd press conference

http://www.defkalion-energy.com/press

some of the QA is in english.

Harry






[Vo]:Purdue paper Bose-Einstein Condensation Nuclear Fusion

2011-07-08 Thread Roarty, Francis X
http://www.physics.purdue.edu/people/faculty/yekim/BECNF-Ni-Hydrogen.pdf

This sounds familiar to posits by Jones Beene. I'm not convinced it rules out 
initial ZPE
Contributions but it sounds credible for explaining the nuclear paths.

Regards
Fran


[Vo]:The great oil sniffer hoax

2011-07-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here is a technological hoax that bamboozled $150 million from high
officials in oil companies and governments. I did not realize such large,
high-level hoaxes existed:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Oil_Sniffer_Hoax

A skeptic suggested to me that Defkalion might be something like this. I
doubt it. I do not think anything in cold fusion resembles this. The closest
thing to it is plasma fusion, such as the ITER project, which most outside
experts think has no chance of technological or commercial success. However,
the experimental results from plasma fusion are real, beyond question.

- Jed


Re: [Vo]:Purdue paper Bose-Einstein Condensation Nuclear Fusion

2011-07-08 Thread Alan J Fletcher


At 11:27 AM 7/8/2011, Roarty, Francis X wrote:


http://www.physics.purdue.edu/people/faculty/yekim/BECNF-Ni-Hydrogen.pdf


This sounds familiar to posits by Jones Beene. I’m not convinced it rules
out initial ZPE
Contributions but it sounds credible for explaining the nuclear
paths.

Regards
Fran
Interesting  explains why the heater is needed. 
July 4th, 2011 at 1:42 PM

http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=497cpage=14#comment-50600

WARNING TO OUR READERS:
TODAY IN STOCKOLM I RECEIVED A VERY INTERESTING PAPER:
“GENERALIZED THEORY OF BOSE-EINSTEIN CONDENSATION NUCLEAR FUSION FOR
HYDROGEN-METAL SYSTEM”
THE AUTHOR IS YEONG E. KIM, OF THE DEPARTMENT OF PHYSICS, PURDUE
UNIVERSITY, WEST LAFAYETTE, INDIANA 47907, USA.
THE PAPER HAS BEEN ISSUED ON JUNE 18TH 2011.
VERY INTERESTING, GOOD JOB, PROF. KIM ( WHOM I DO NOT KNOW PERSONALLY).

I took the liberty of adding it to the wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Catalyzer





Re: [Vo]:The great oil sniffer hoax

2011-07-08 Thread Joshua Cude
On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

 Here is a technological hoax that bamboozled $150 million from high
 officials in oil companies and governments. I did not realize such large,
 high-level hoaxes existed:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Oil_Sniffer_Hoax

 A skeptic suggested to me that Defkalion might be something like this. I
 doubt it. I do not think anything in cold fusion resembles this. The closest
 thing to it is plasma fusion, such as the ITER project, which most outside
 experts think has no chance of technological or commercial success.


Oh I don't know. This sentence seems to have more in common with Rossi than
with ITER:

Bonassoli attempted to deflect all criticism by stating that the entire
secret of the device was one key component, which was locked in a box that
he refused to open.

Whatever ITER's prospects for engineering success are, the science is open,
undisputed, and well-understood.


Re: [Vo]:The great oil sniffer hoax

2011-07-08 Thread Harry Veeder
Joshua, what do you make of the claim that Defkalion's e-Cat is being tested by 
the Greek government? 
 
Harry

From: Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2011 5:30:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The great oil sniffer hoax





On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

Here is a technological hoax that bamboozled $150 million from high officials 
in oil companies and governments. I did not realize such large, high-level 
hoaxes existed:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Oil_Sniffer_Hoax


A skeptic suggested to me that Defkalion might be something like this. I 
doubt it. I do not think anything in cold fusion resembles this. The closest 
thing to it is plasma fusion, such as the ITER project, which most outside 
experts think has no chance of technological or commercial success.  


Oh I don't know. This sentence seems to have more in common with Rossi than 
with ITER:


Bonassoli attempted to deflect all criticism by stating that the entire 
secret of the device was one key component, which was locked in a box that he 
refused to open. 


Whatever ITER's prospects for engineering success are, the science is open, 
undisputed, and well-understood.  



RE: [Vo]:Purdue paper Bose-Einstein Condensation Nuclear Fusion

2011-07-08 Thread Jones Beene
Alan, Fran -

 

The boson (BEC) theories for LENR have been around for twenty years, and it
is not clear who was first; but the devil is in the details. I think
professor Kim got several important details wrong, but still he has added to
a higher level of understanding. Hagelstein was the first to propose one
version of the BEC concept IIRC.

 

Fran is probably correct that Casimir cavities are important in the Rossi
effect - and even in the more general BEC effect since composite bosons of
protons are only available as a transitory phenomenon of paired protons at
close distance under compression. The compreture scale at close
confinement provides virtual cryogenic conditions and an effective
temperature which can go below absolute zero. This relates to why there is a
continuing need to maintain a triggering temperature from outside the local
reactants.

 

From there on - the important paper is by Nyman. Everyone is overlooking
Nyman's explanation of how quark alignment trumps electrostatic charge
repulsion. I will try to dig this detail out of an old post - and repost it
over the weekend.

 

But the main thing Kim is completely wrong about - IMO - is trying to
shoehorn Rossi into *known nuclear reactions*. Big mistake. This is not
necessary at all, especially when the average mass-energy for the proton in
understood to represents a range of values. 

 

Let's say the known mass of the proton in the standard model is 938.272013
MeV. However, I have argued that this is really an average mass based on
whatever the most advanced current measurement technique is being employed -
and that this can vary all over the place in individual protons, since the
quark component of protons is the only component which is fixed with a
quantum value.  

 

Quarks are a small proportion of the proton mass, and this is the detail
that everyone seems to overlook: there a range of expendable mass-energy of
the non-quark remainder (pion, gluon, etc) - which is extractable as the
'gain' seen in the Rossi effect, and this gain can be replenished via the
zero point field (bringing the average mass of the proton back up).

 

Perhaps the proton net mass can go down to say - 937 MeV, for instance, on a
temporary basis, and with a decent amount of energy release - and thereafter
this deficit is recouped. We do not need to specify how it is recouped
(regauged), but the route is surely encompassed in one of the definitions of
ZPE (i.e. Dirac's negative energy 'sea'). 

 

No permanent transmutation is necessary to derive this kind of 'hidden'
nuclear energy, and that ties Rossi (and Mills) into the Casimir force.

 

Unfortunately, this is the 'simplified' version and difficult to recite from
memory.

 

Jones

 

 

 

From: Alan J Fletcher 

 

Roarty, Francis X wrote:



http://www.physics.purdue.edu/people/faculty/yekim/BECNF-Ni-Hydrogen.pdf 
 
This sounds familiar to posits by Jones Beene. I'm not convinced it rules
out initial ZPE
Contributions but it sounds credible for explaining the nuclear paths.
 
Regards
Fran


Interesting  explains why the heater is needed. 

July 4th, 2011 at 1:42 PM
 http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=497cpage=14#comment-50600
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=497cpage=14#comment-50600 

WARNING TO OUR READERS:
TODAY IN STOCKOLM I RECEIVED A VERY INTERESTING PAPER:
GENERALIZED THEORY OF BOSE-EINSTEIN CONDENSATION NUCLEAR FUSION FOR
HYDROGEN-METAL SYSTEM
THE AUTHOR IS YEONG E. KIM, OF THE DEPARTMENT OF PHYSICS, PURDUE UNIVERSITY,
WEST LAFAYETTE, INDIANA 47907, USA.
THE PAPER HAS BEEN ISSUED ON JUNE 18TH 2011.
VERY INTERESTING, GOOD JOB, PROF. KIM ( WHOM I DO NOT KNOW PERSONALLY). 

 I took the liberty of adding it to the wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Catalyzer




Re: [Vo]:video of Defkalion press conference

2011-07-08 Thread Harry Veeder
Anyone know what Rossi is talking about when he says I did not know this ?
He is responding in english to a question asked in greek in the first minute of 
this video:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-4okSuQmJs
 
Harry

From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2011 2:10:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:video of Defkalion press conference


They intend to upload a version with English subtitles but they are having 
technical problems with it.


- Jed

 



Re: [Vo]:Purdue paper Bose-Einstein Condensation Nuclear Fusion

2011-07-08 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
FWIW,

I sometimes get the sense that Fran’s theory might come the closest to
explaining what my unorthodox source the “Witch Doctor” files would
seem to suggest might be going on with Rossi's eCats.

However, I hasten to add that this is just speculation on my part.

One thing for sure, I wish I understood Fran’s theory better. :-(

Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks



[Vo]:Funding dam breaks for Brillouin boiler that uses – water!

2011-07-08 Thread Harry Veeder
Funding dam breaks for Brillouin boiler that uses – water!
 
http://coldfusionnow.wordpress.com/2011/07/07/funding-dam-breaks-for-brillouin-boiler-that-uses-water/