My dear readers,
It is my privilege to offer you the text of a recent paper about
Defkalion.
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2013/08/great-greek-article-about-defkalion.html
I am grateful to the author for this fine paper despite to some minor
but constructive disagreements regarding the
I clicked through your link and I'm confused. What's the title of the
paper. Who is the author? The only link to a paper I saw was in a PS at
the end and that was to a 2010 paper that has been available for some time:
http://www.physics.purdue.edu/people/faculty/yekim/Kim_BECNF.pdf
On Mon,
You are right; this is the original link,
http://www.tovima.gr/science/article/?aid=524943
The Title is THE RETURN OF DEFKALION
The Greek text is protected by a paywall.
If you have question do not hesitate to write me
Peter
On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 11:16 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com
among the few irresponsible buzz to relay :
- is Defkalion bought out by Chinese ?
- does Russian/Ukrainian own a competing technology ?
- is 500 million for DGT, a small price ? If 48billion more honest? 8-o
- what is a scam artist company doing with Fasmatech (a company
manufacturing
It's about time we spend a bit more time on facts and much less on all the
fuzz.
Stirring up all kind of noise does not contribute to the promotion of LENR.
Sometimes it's OK to just be silent for a while. LENR stalking is
undesired.
From: Teslaalset
It's about time we spend a bit more time on facts and much less on all the
fuzz.
Stirring up all kind of noise does not contribute to the promotion of LENR.
Sometimes it's OK to just be silent for a while.
You are exactly right.
Despite good intent, Peter
Beyond any other consideration, the Hyperion generates plenty of excess
energy in a controlled mode. This was my expectation from what has started
as cold fusion 24+ years ago.
The strong magnetic field is a discovery still not explored and not
completely understood. Our reasonable colleagues have
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Kim should be ashamed to have his name on what amounts to no more than a
stage show. Investors: Stay Away!
Well, I would call it a trade show demo. A step up from a stage show.
Still, it could have been more rigorous, better planned and better
Why should they demonstrate all that heat? Even ignoring the enthalpy, it's
still big!
And why would they demonstrate the magnetic field? That would be a hassle
and hell would break lose. It would even interfere with the controls.
2013/8/12 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
In retrospect I
Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
Beyond any other consideration, the Hyperion generates plenty of excess
energy in a controlled mode.
I would not be so sure of that. The demonstration was interesting and
helpful but I do not think it constituted proof. You need an independent
The only fact it is that you do not accept. There is no error and since
this is a random complaint, don't expect them to them to listen to you any
time soon. There is no time out and no delay in business.
2013/8/12 Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com
The time out is necessary for this obvious
Peter, a magnetic field has not been discovered. A claim has been made
without any evidence or even a logical explanation. The claimed high
intensity of a magnetic field is impossible under the circumstance.
Therefore the reading on the gauss meter was misinterpreted. Until
this issue is
Rossi's 500Kw test? :)
2013/8/12 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
I have seen many impressive-looking cold fusion experiments that turned
out to be mistakes.
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
And why would they demonstrate the magnetic field?
To show that it is real, obviously, and not an error with the Gauss-meter.
They should demonstrate the magnetic field for the same reason they should
demonstrate that the steam is real by pulling the
You mean, to fry their computers, cell phones and kill people with pace
makers?
2013/8/12 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
It will do that anyway, if it is real! I do not see your point.
- Jed
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com
From: Peter
Beyond any other consideration, the Hyperion generates
plenty of excess
energy in a controlled mode.
So you say. Where is the independent proof of this heat? I agree that it
looked good in the video, but other factors have completely
The time out refers to discussion by people on Vortex who have no
knowledge about the issue. Do you have inside knowledge that you will
kindly provide?
Ed
On Aug 12, 2013, at 8:33 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
The only fact it is that you do not accept. There is no error and
since this is a
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
Rossi's 500Kw test? :)
2013/8/12 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
I have seen many impressive-looking cold fusion experiments that turned
out to be mistakes.
I cannot judge whether that was real or not. Not enough information was
revealed. I
Jones, I assume responsibility for my errors. Let's keep in touch re this
dispute and we will see who was right. OK?
Peter
On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 5:39 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
You mean, to fry their computers, cell phones and kill people with pace
makers?
2013/8/12 Jed
Why should I do anything to satisfy any random curiosity! There is public
knowledge of magnetic field, at least in the form of RF from ICCF - 13,
which is correlated with COP enhancement by over 10x.
2013/8/12 Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com
The time out refers to discussion by people on
I agree that a time out is necessary, It is a huge anomaly that either needs to
be explained OR retracted.
Fran
From: Daniel Rocha [mailto:danieldi...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 10:33 AM
To: John Milstone
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:just published -with permission- a paper about
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
You mean, to fry their computers, cell phones and kill people with pace
makers?
If there is a large magnetic field capable of doing these things it will do
them. Demonstrating that the field is real will not prevent this from
happening. They have a
You don't know under what conditions that was done. It may be not so simple.
2013/8/12 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
They have a Gauss meter that supposedly showed the field.
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com
Typically a legitimate stock/IPO offering will include a disclosure of
signed business contracts, etc. along with a PL Balance sheet, finances
forecast, etc. If they are legit a proper offering should disclose that
information.
On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
You don't know under what conditions that was done. It may be not so simple.
How complicated could it be? It cannot be difficult to prove there is a
magnetic field that persists for a few seconds or longer. If it is a
millisecond I agree it might be
Man used fire for over 10,000 years before we came up with the idea it was
oxidation, but man probably sold wood to each other. Growing up in Maine
that was about all I had to sell to make money in the Fall.
Stewart
On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
..is that they will soon either provide extraordinary evidence or they are
a fraud (and therefore an obvious short selling opportunity).
There is absolutely no upside whatsoever to pussyfooting around on their
claims at this point. When they go public, they want their stock price as
high as
He cannot do such thing, fortunately.
2013/8/12 blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com
Right now, given that Luca (the only known physics PHd with a track record
in the bunch) has suspended biz in Italy due to inconsistencies on the
testing, I'm betting incompetence / fraud, but I think a
Jed,
I agree but after the odd spectrum shifts reported by Black Light and
the anomalous decay rates of radioactive gas I think any magnetic measurements
of the active region should be based on very basic attractive force.. I suspect
that the environment responsible for spectrum
Well, then fortunately it will be a great short selling opportunity!
Always on the look out for such things.
On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
He cannot do such thing, fortunately.
2013/8/12 blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com
Right now, given
Let me be clear though, I think Defkalion could turn this situation around.
Go out strong with Luca (or someone with equal credibility, he's not the
only physics PHD with a track record in the world) leading a *simple and
clear demonstration* that proves the tech.
Allow for a tear down
From: blaze spinnaker
The great thing about Defkalion going public starting Nov
1st...is that they will soon either provide extraordinary evidence or they
are a fraud (and therefore an obvious short selling opportunity).
Wrong. There is almost no stock market
There are no short opportunities either for this kind of pump and dump.
Read that sentence over to yourself a dozen times or so. Eventually
you'll realize you just logically said A !A.
On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
From: blaze
Why do you discuss any thing on vortex? Why do you even comment since
we are all engaging in random curiosity about everything?
You make no sense. RF is not identified as a magnetic field. The
impression given is of a constant magnetic field being generated. If
you know this is not true,
Regarding your theories and the magnetic behavior of the Ni/H reactors of
both Defkalion and Rossi:
It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn't matter how
smart you are. If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong.
Richard P. Feynman
On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Edmund
Defkalion's demonstration wasn't bad. Any demonstration is tough. Something
always goes wrong. It wasn't bad, but it could have been better. I have
done demonstrations and I have taught and given lectures so let me offer a
few suggestions based on this experience.
Practice, practice, practice.
Axil, the question is, Exactly what behavior did the experiment show?.
DGE claims to have measured a magnetic FIELD of 1.6 T. Such an intense
magnetic field cannot form under the circumstances. Therefore, they
misinterpreted the behavior. The problem is to discover just what they
actually
Keep it simple.
Fill a 10,000 gallon insolated tank truck with 20C water, and run it in a
loop to the Ni/H reactor. When the temperature of the water in the truck
gets to 90C, the case is proven.
On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Defkalion's
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
Keep it simple.
Fill a 10,000 gallon insolated tank truck with 20C water, and run it in a
loop to the Ni/H reactor.
That is not simple at all. Also, this would not work.
When the temperature of the water in the truck gets to 90C, the case is
insolate [ˈɪnsəʊˌleɪt]
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On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
Keep it simple.
Fill a 10,000 gallon insolated tank truck with 20C water, and run it in a
loop to the Ni/H reactor. When the temperature of the water
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
Why should they demonstrate all that heat? Even ignoring the enthalpy, it's
still big!
I think it was a bad idea to jump over the steam as if it did not matter,
and not even demonstrate that it was steam. In retrospect that seems like
an odd thing to
Yes, yes, yes, Yes, this is what I would suggest as well.. (although I would
just use a smaller inflatable spa you can set those up on any cement floor).
That was my suggestion a few years back when they were asking about an X prize
type of event.
People will talk about heat loss and so
But they did demonstrate it was correct. If you doubt that. You can doubt
anything.
2013/8/12 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
I suppose they did not need to include that enthalpy in the computation
shown on the screen, but they should have
did they check the flow while it was under steam pressure? I worry that since
they are using water mains, there could be back pressure from the steam that
slowed the flow. I haven't heard this discussed, but then I have been away.
D2
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 16:10:31 -0300
Subject: Re:
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
But they did demonstrate it was correct. If you doubt that. You can doubt
anything.
No, they did not demonstrate this rigorously. They did not show the same
results with different instruments or two different methods. They showed
only one set of
You would not need to go to 90C. The concept of heating a volume of water is
very valid.
Also if you use one of those portable spas (example Spa in a Box for less
than $1k- google the pictures), it goes together fast and could be easily
checked for hidden items since it is just insulation
DJ Cravens djcrav...@hotmail.com wrote:
You would not need to go to 90C.
I agree.
The concept of heating a volume of water is very valid.
Of course. The questions are: how much water, in what kind of container, to
what temperature, over what duration? I have no doubt that a spa is a
DJ Cravens djcrav...@hotmail.com wrote:
You would not need to go to 90C. The concept of heating a volume of water
is very valid.
In this thread, I was assuming that Defkalion DID have to go above 90°C.
For some reason. Otherwise, why didn't they speed up the flow? That would
simplify the
I think the filters were to protect the flow meter. I think the water was just
out of the taps and who knows what Greek water is like.
I have been struggling with making some variable heat conductor for similar
problems. I started with segmented disks that you turn to change contact
area.
DJ Cravens djcrav...@hotmail.com wrote:
I think the filters were to protect the flow meter. I think the water was
just out of the taps and who knows what Greek water is like.
This was in Italy. But okay, that makes sense. I would use a less sensitive
flow meter. Granted, those things are
They checked the metered flow rate in the input side, but did not capture and
measure the water exiting the demonstration when steam was being generated. I
wish this had been done at least on one occasion.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: DJ Cravens djcrav...@hotmail.com
To: vortex-l
Jed, a better method is to use a constant rate pump. These are
available and are very reliable and accurate. The rate is not affected
by back pressure, within reason and can be adjusted to achieve the
required delta T.
Ed
On Aug 12, 2013, at 2:37 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
DJ Cravens
Why bother with the flow rate to the outside? It would not change the
measured energy.
2013/8/12 David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
They checked the metered flow rate in the input side, but did not capture
and measure the water exiting the demonstration when steam was being
generated. I wish
yes, I often use an FMI metering pump. They have good control.
D2
CC: stor...@ix.netcom.com
From: stor...@ix.netcom.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Suggestions for a more effective demonstration
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 14:50:03 -0600
Jed, a better method is to use a constant
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
Why bother with the flow rate to the outside? It would not change the
measured energy.
This is flow calorimetry. If the flow rate is wrong, they measured the
power wrong. Measuring the flow rate correctly is critical.
- Jed
In reply to H Veeder's message of Fri, 9 Aug 2013 11:32:37 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
what determines the speed of this wave?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfX0j7-fLmk
Human reaction time. People react to what those around them are doing. Herd
mentality.
Harry
Regards,
Robin van Spaandonk
This thing might not be that important or ever be built etc., but I did like
the thought process revealed by the design. He seeks niches or exclusions in
otherwise impossible general characterizations of a problem, and unique
solutions emerge. The not-fully-evacuated tube is probably the primary
A positive displacement pump with temp sensing on the inlet and the outlet
and a flow meter.
The water running in a loop through a large, possibly insulated container...
The Portable Spa is a good idea the heat calculated from the two
different efforts should be
within the error bands for the
*“Obviously, these theories can explain anything even if the observation
has no relationship to reality.”*
A theory that does not explain the experimentally observed magnetic field
has no relationship to reality.
Is it not a fact, if a presenter at ICCF states an experimental finding in
We are working on our paperwork and we believe that we would be able to
negotiate after October 15th, 2013. Starting November 1st, we will hold a Road
Show from city to city to promote our share.
Before a demo/test that doesn't even convince Vortex is a bit premature. I'm
pretty sure they
Man, what does it say for Defkalion when everyone on Vortex is a doubter...
On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 5:20 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
We are working on our paperwork and we believe that we would be able to
negotiate after October 15th, 2013. Starting November 1st, we will hold a
They do NOT want to measure precisely. They want to show that it is bigger
1.1.
So there is no chance they will hear your advice so soon.
2013/8/12 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
Why bother with the flow rate to the outside? It would not change
Oh yeah, brilliant strategy. Let's appear incompetent. That won't
encourage competitors...
On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 6:32 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
They do NOT want to measure precisely. They want to show that it is bigger
1.1.
So there is no chance they will hear your
blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote:
Man, what does it say for Defkalion when everyone on Vortex is a doubter...
It says they should have done a better job on the demo. They should have
planned it, and rehearsed. It was kind of amateur. I find it hard to
believe they have been
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
They do NOT want to measure precisely. They want to show that it is bigger
1.1.
There is no need to measure precisely, but they should measure accurately.
Otherwise there is no telling whether it is 1.1, 4.1, or 0.6. Believe me, I
have seen big,
blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote:
Oh yeah, brilliant strategy. Let's appear incompetent. That won't
encourage competitors...
Actually, that was Patterson's strategy, as I have often mentioned. He
wanted potential competitors to think there was nothing to see. Cold fusion
does
On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 7:26 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote:
Peter, a magnetic field has not been discovered. A claim has been made
without any evidence or even a logical explanation. The claimed high
intensity of a magnetic field is impossible under the circumstance.
Therefore
I wrote:
Practice a few more times, tighten up the script, make some good
accompanying graphics and you would have a superb demonstration. It just
needs tweaking.
Yeah, okay, you also need to adjust the procedures to reduce suspicion. I
agree with Jones Beene that it could still be a magic
The strategy is fine, except if you're a public company.ESPECIALLY if
insiders or others happen to know the true numbers, which can attract all
sorts of investor law suits for not telling the truth and artificially
depressing the stock price.
Once you become public, everything changes.
On
On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 5:27 PM, blaze spinnaker
blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote:
Man, what does it say for Defkalion when everyone on Vortex is a doubter...
We're very fickle, here. Once some solid information comes from defkalion
(e.g., via a reliable third party such as National Instruments),
On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
I get a sense they are floundering around, trying out one plan after
another.
The complexity (branches in Canada, Greece, Italy, etc.), the numbers (40
million, 8 zeros, etc.) and similar details make me nervous. I am
Eric, you need to consider what a magnetic field really is when it is
measured in space 20 cm from an object in which the field is
generated. Such fields either result from a very large DC current or a
very efficient alignment of magnetic domains in the material. The
alignment must be
You might have missed this post on the magnetic LENR effect:
--
At this early juncture, it looks like the LENR reaction is driven by an
electromagnetic force. What is that force. The electromagnetic field can be
viewed as the combination of an electric field and
On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 12:17 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
I have studied history and so I am aware that when Christopher Columbus has
discovered the New World,the North American mass media was unanimous in
rejecting his business model as primitive,
dis-informed and inadequate
You proved my theory, Beer effects human reaction time :)
On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 6:21 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
In reply to H Veeder's message of Fri, 9 Aug 2013 11:32:37 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
what determines the speed of this wave?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfX0j7-fLmk
Human
My concern is that the exit flow rate is not accurately measured at an input
meter when reverse steam pressure is applied at the high temperatures seen. It
has not been proven that the input gauge is accurate under this condition.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Daniel Rocha
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
My concern is that the exit flow rate is not accurately measured at an
input meter when reverse steam pressure is applied at the high temperatures
seen. It has not been proven that the input gauge is accurate under this
condition.
Me too. That's
At this early juncture, it looks like the LENR reaction is driven by an
electromagnetic force. What is that force. The electromagnetic field can be
viewed as the combination of an electric field and a magnetic field. The
electric field is produced by stationary charges, and the magnetic field
In reply to ChemE Stewart's message of Mon, 12 Aug 2013 23:02:46 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
You proved my theory, Beer effects human reaction time :)
:)
Regards,
Robin van Spaandonk
http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
I'm growing weary of the same objections, over and over and over again on
various internet sites. So I'm going to post each qa here just send
links.
Pons Fleischmann's results were never replicated.
***WHAT? Not Replicated? Where do you get that ridiculous and ignorant
claim?
Anomalous Heat Effect has been replicated hundreds of times by more than a
thousand scientists, even in mainstream peer-reviewed journals.
There is no conclusive theory.
***Same is true of high temperature superconductivity, but the skeptics
don’t key up on that, do they? In addition, there is no conclusive theory
of gravity. There’s the Law of Gravity, but no theory is settled -- there
are several competing theories. Why does this
Controlled Hot-Fusion has generated more energy for longer sustained
periods.
***The average cold fusion experiment generates several hundred megajoules
for several hours and costs maybe $300k. The longest lasting hot fusion
experiment generated 6 megajoules for a few seconds. So if you look at
just another fluff-piece from the margins of a marginal effect.
***If it is a marginal effect, then the world leaders in MEASurement would
have said so. But instead, Scientific Instruments has said there is an
anomalous effect here after looking into the MEASurements. Meanwhile, this
latest
LENR contradicts current theory.
***Experiment trumps theory ~Richard Feynman, Nobel Prize Winning Nuclear
Physicist.
I don’t know if these claims are ‘real’, I haven’t seen the device, nor
personally ‘tested’ it.
***Raising the bar for cold fusion, lowering it for other things like hot
fusion. You haven’t seen nor tested a huge range of scientific findings,
but you aren’t engaged in hypercriticism of those
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