Re: [Vo]:OT : $55 oil freaking out stock market
Jed, I do have a more imaginative solution for radioactive waste, cycle it through a reactor that ages it 10,000 years relative to one hour outside the reactor.. I think this sort of time dilation is going to become a side effect of LENR that can be optimized. It occurs already according to claims of anomalous decay in radioactive gases but such claims are a passive effect of catalyst nano geometry, IMHO the claims by Shawyer are more interesting, if correct and optimized it represents an active system where we can combine microwave energy with macro scale geometry to dilate larger regions..I suspect this is why Shawyer is presenting his technology as being “relativistic” in nature. He is unbalancing the spatial and temporal phase inside his trapezoid with standing waves relative to outside his device such that any linked forces between these inertial frames can transpose time for space and unbalance the equal and opposite action – reactions. He is focused on thrust but at a root level he is pushing or pulling between two slightly different phases of space-time to create motion. This still all hangs precariously on the Naudts theory where hydrogen ATOMS loaded into a catalyst sitting on a lab bench can be considered relativistic – without near C spatial displacement – supposition being that the region the atom travels thru is warped/negative gravity well/depleted of virtual particle density just the opposite of the density approaching C or sitting at the bottom of a large gravity well like a black hole. Fran From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 4:40 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:OT : $55 oil freaking out stock market Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.commailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote: $55 oil freaking out stock market, So is it really Saudi controlled to bankrupt shale investors or is there some possible relationship to LENR? I do not think that cold fusion has played any role in this. It is caused by fracking in the United States which has lowered the cost and increased supplies of both oil and natural gas. The moment it becomes generally known that cold fusion is real and that it is likely to be commercialized, the price of oil will fall to $10 a barrel. That is approximately what it costs in Saudi Arabia, I believe. It will never rise again. Eventually oil will fall to zero dollars per barrel, and then negative $10 per barrel, when it is synthesized from garbage. That is to say, people will pay you to take their garbage and others will pay you a little for the oil, which will still be needed for plastic feedstock, lubrication and a few other purposes. I hope that eventually people will synthesize teratons of oil from CO2, and pump it back underground, where it belongs. This will reduce the carbon concentration in the atmosphere and prevent global warming. We could pump it underground or ship it off-Earth via a space elevator. If people on Mars have no use for it we can dump it into the sun I suppose. That is what we should do with all of the fission rad-waste left from today's nuclear reactors. The notion that we have to bury that stuff underground here on earth and protect it for the next 10,000 years strikes me as unimaginative. It is silly. This is a problem we should leave to our great-grandchildren to fix. They will be able to do it more easily than we can. It will be a minor expense for them. Some problems are best left for posterity to fix. - Jed
[Vo]:some news coming from Italy
Dear Friends, Festina lente- describes well the situation evolution of LENR at least at the surface. Some teams are working really hard and smart. For today I have published: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2014/12/daily-shared-lenr-questions-december-17.html Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
[Vo]:Method to Prove LENR to Skeptics
I just completed another brief review of the interesting report that was produced using the measurements from the Lugano, Switzerland test. When the isotope changes and the over unity gain seen in power production by the Hotcat are taken into proper consideration, there is very little doubt that the device is as remarkable as many of us believe. It is amazing that there remains a significant skeptical attitude among some groups. To continue to ignore the device they are having to assume that Rossi performed magical tricks with the fuel while under careful supervision of the scientists in charge of the experiment. Also, it becomes necessary for them to question the amount of heat generated that the testers have measured. Many agree that it is unfortunate that a calibration was not performed at the actual temperature witnessed during the active test, but there were valid reasons for that occurrence. My simulations over the last couple of years indicates that there is a test which can be performed upon an ECAT like device that can not be dismissed which proves that heat energy is produced by the core fuel. The device and fuel combination that was tested in the Lugano case might not be capable of demonstrating that proof, but came close to the standard. I suspect that the Lugano device operated within what I refer to as a negative resistance region 1 device. A unit under test that operates in that manner will behave exactly like what was observed by the testers. If the positive feedback is limited in magnitude a device will not actually exhibit a true negative resistance region of operation. Instead, as the feedback increases due to core energy production one will notice that the temperature measurements rise very rapidly with a modest increase in the heater power input. This effect is clearly evident in the charts contained within that report. Had Rossi added more fuel to the device, the change would have been very dramatic and unmistakable particularly if the added fuel permitted the Hotcat to enter into one of the higher negative resistance categories(2 or 3) that I have previously discussed. Operation within a region 2 or region 3 mode would offer characteristic performance that could not be denied by the most determined skeptic. To achieve that level of proof all one needs to do is to locate the negative resistance region and determine where it falls along the temperature scale of one of the input power versus temperature curves that I have been generating. This is the span of temperatures over which the input power is falling while the device temperature is rising. The negative slope within this region makes it impossible for anyone to force the Hotcat to remain stable at a temperature within this span for any static input power. A normal system that does not operate under positive feedback conditions, such as a dummy Hotcat, can be set to any temperature desired within the operating range of the device. For every input source power level one and only one temperature will be measured. If you want to operate at any particular temperature you can gradually adjust the input drive power upwards until that condition is met. You can continue to remain at that desired temperature by keeping the input drive power constant. It is unfortunate that a Hotcat can not be obtained to subject to the testing that I have described above. I suppose that will have to wait until the proper legal protections for IP are established. At least we know of a test that can be performed upon any device which exhibits an adequate amount of positive feedback. I propose that people claiming to have a real LENR device should apply thermal insulation around the unit until it establishes a region 2 or region 3 mode. A tiny window through the thermal insulation could be included as one means to monitor the temperature of operation. Once region 2 or 3 is obtained, it will be impossible to maintain a constant temperature with any fixed input drive power provided the temperature falls within the negative resistance range. Dave
[Vo]:A Possible Warren Buffet= FEAR...LENR worry?
Greetings Vortex-l, It is very reasonable to assume that Bill Gates told Warren Buffet about LENR...but is this website that relates Buffets financial-fear- is it LENR related??? http://www.fool.com/ecap/the_motley_fool/buffett-threat/?utm_source=yahooutm_medium=contentmarketingutm_campaign=advertorial_lgaid=8484paid=8484psource=esayho7410860034waid=8482wsource=esayhowdg0860180 Ad Astra, Ron Kita, Chiralex Doylestown PA
Re: [Vo]:some news coming from Italy
Peter and others-- From your blog notes and with respect to Bo Hoistadt's comments I have the following observations: Be-8 decay to 2 alphas, as is commonly observed, involves excess kinetic energy of the alphas equivalent to the loss of mass in the decay. In the E-Cat reaction, if Be-8 is formed and decays to 2 alphas, the decay happens without the mass showing up as kinetic energy of the alphas. Another possibility is that the mass shows up as spin energy of the alphas and is lost to the rest of a coherent system via spin coupling with many small quanta being distributed through the coherent system. Of course this is a coupling that may have been engineered by Rossi (maybe with the application of magnetic fields) and is not apparent in previous observations of Be-8 decay. This could explain Bo Hoistadt's question regarding the lack of EM radiation from energetic alpha particles traversing matter. There are no energetic alphas in the E-Cat. SPP entities may provide the spin coupling required, and/or the orbital spin of the system's electrons may also provide coupling to the alphas, which may only exist as transient particles with high spin energy states. This entire question highlights the desirability of monitoring for He as an ash from the E-Cat reaction. Bob Cook - Original Message - From: Peter Gluck To: Arik El Boher ; Brian Ahern ; CMNS ; Dagmar Kuhn ; doug marker ; Dr. Braun Tibor ; eCatNews ; Gabriel Moagar-Poladian ; Gary ; Haiko Lietz ; jeff aries ; Lewan Mats ; Nicolaie N. Vlad ; Peter Mobberley ; Pierre Clauzon ; Roberto Germano ; Roy Virgilio ; Sunwon Park ; vlad ; VORTEX ; Mark Tsirlin ; David Daggett ; Valerio Ciampoli ; Peter Schlosser ; Bo Hoistadt Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 9:30 AM Subject: [Vo]:some news coming from Italy Dear Friends, Festina lente- describes well the situation evolution of LENR at least at the surface. Some teams are working really hard and smart. For today I have published: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2014/12/daily-shared-lenr-questions-december-17.html Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:some news coming from Italy
If you remember this from the report. Besides the analyzed elements it has been found that the fuel also contains rather high concentrations of C, Ca, Cl, Fe, Mg, Mn and these are not found in the ash. These elements were transmuted to SOMETHING. My guess is lithium. No Be-8 was found in the ash so the Be gambit is not possible. On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 10:32 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote: Peter and others-- From your blog notes and with respect to Bo Hoistadt's comments I have the following observations: Be-8 decay to 2 alphas, as is commonly observed, involves excess kinetic energy of the alphas equivalent to the loss of mass in the decay. In the E-Cat reaction, if Be-8 is formed and decays to 2 alphas, the decay happens without the mass showing up as kinetic energy of the alphas. Another possibility is that the mass shows up as spin energy of the alphas and is lost to the rest of a coherent system via spin coupling with many small quanta being distributed through the coherent system. Of course this is a coupling that may have been engineered by Rossi (maybe with the application of magnetic fields) and is not apparent in previous observations of Be-8 decay. This could explain Bo Hoistadt's question regarding the lack of EM radiation from energetic alpha particles traversing matter. There are no energetic alphas in the E-Cat. SPP entities may provide the spin coupling required, and/or the orbital spin of the system's electrons may also provide coupling to the alphas, which may only exist as transient particles with high spin energy states. This entire question highlights the desirability of monitoring for He as an ash from the E-Cat reaction. Bob Cook - Original Message - *From:* Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com *To:* Arik El Boher elboh...@missouri.edu ; Brian Ahern ahern_br...@msn.com ; CMNS c...@googlegroups.com ; Dagmar Kuhn dagmar.k...@gmx.de ; doug marker dsmar...@gmail.com ; Dr. Braun Tibor br...@mail.iif.hu ; eCatNews p...@ecatnews.com ; Gabriel Moagar-Poladian gamo...@yahoo.com ; Gary g...@garywright.com ; Haiko Lietz h...@haikolietz.de ; jeff aries arias...@aol.com ; Lewan Mats mats.le...@nyteknik.se ; Nicolaie N. Vlad nicolaienv...@gmail.com ; Peter Mobberley petermobber...@hotmail.com ; Pierre Clauzon pierre.clau...@orange.fr ; Roberto Germano germ...@promete.it ; Roy Virgilio r.virgi...@gmail.com ; Sunwon Park swp...@kaist.ac.kr ; vlad v...@zpenergy.com ; VORTEX vortex-l@eskimo.com ; Mark Tsirlin tsirlin.m...@hotmail.com ; David Daggett david.l.dagg...@gmail.com ; Valerio Ciampoli v.ciamp...@anaf.eu ; Peter Schlosser schloss...@t-online.de ; Bo Hoistadt bo.hois...@physics.uu.se *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 9:30 AM *Subject:* [Vo]:some news coming from Italy Dear Friends, Festina lente- describes well the situation evolution of LENR at least at the surface. Some teams are working really hard and smart. For today I have published: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2014/12/daily-shared-lenr-questions-december-17.html Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:A Possible Warren Buffet= FEAR...LENR worry?
Nope, that is self driving cars, it mentions an MIT professor who they quoted, what he said in The WSJ http://blogs.wsj.com/cio/2014/02/28/brynjolfsson-says-self-driving-cars-developing-faster-than-expected/ And this makes sense of the comment of Google investing in it... On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings Vortex-l, It is very reasonable to assume that Bill Gates told Warren Buffet about LENR...but is this website that relates Buffets financial-fear- is it LENR related??? http://www.fool.com/ecap/the_motley_fool/buffett-threat/?utm_source=yahooutm_medium=contentmarketingutm_campaign=advertorial_lgaid=8484paid=8484psource=esayho7410860034waid=8482wsource=esayhowdg0860180 Ad Astra, Ron Kita, Chiralex Doylestown PA
Re: [Vo]:OT : $55 oil freaking out stock market
You are going to also need some amazing shields to deal with 10,000 years of radioactive decay in just an hour. Actually many problems exist if we assume an accelerated passage of time were possible, as the frequency of all radiation would be upshifted in frequency by the same amount! So you might just destroy the planet if you create 10,000 years worth of gamma radiation that now has an extremely upshifted frequency and energy And what about the particle decay which is now moving with such an energy? That's a bit problematical. John On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 1:24 AM, Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote: Jed, I do have a more imaginative solution for radioactive waste, cycle it through a reactor that ages it 10,000 years relative to one hour outside the reactor.. I think this sort of time dilation is going to become a side effect of LENR that can be optimized. It occurs already according to claims of anomalous decay in radioactive gases but such claims are a passive effect of catalyst nano geometry, IMHO the claims by Shawyer are more interesting, if correct and optimized it represents an active system where we can combine microwave energy with macro scale geometry to dilate larger regions..I suspect this is why Shawyer is presenting his technology as being “relativistic” in nature. He is unbalancing the spatial and temporal phase inside his trapezoid with standing waves relative to outside his device such that any linked forces between these inertial frames can transpose time for space and unbalance the equal and opposite action – reactions. He is focused on thrust but at a root level he is pushing or pulling between two slightly different phases of space-time to create motion. This still all hangs precariously on the Naudts theory where hydrogen ATOMS loaded into a catalyst sitting on a lab bench can be considered relativistic – without near C spatial displacement – supposition being that the region the atom travels thru is warped/negative gravity well/depleted of virtual particle density just the opposite of the density approaching C or sitting at the bottom of a large gravity well like a black hole. Fran *From:* Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, December 16, 2014 4:40 PM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:OT : $55 oil freaking out stock market Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote: $55 oil freaking out stock market, So is it really Saudi controlled to bankrupt shale investors or is there some possible relationship to LENR? I do not think that cold fusion has played any role in this. It is caused by fracking in the United States which has lowered the cost and increased supplies of both oil and natural gas. The moment it becomes generally known that cold fusion is real and that it is likely to be commercialized, the price of oil will fall to $10 a barrel. That is approximately what it costs in Saudi Arabia, I believe. It will never rise again. Eventually oil will fall to zero dollars per barrel, and then negative $10 per barrel, when it is synthesized from garbage. That is to say, people will pay you to take their garbage and others will pay you a little for the oil, which will still be needed for plastic feedstock, lubrication and a few other purposes. I hope that eventually people will synthesize teratons of oil from CO2, and pump it back underground, where it belongs. This will reduce the carbon concentration in the atmosphere and prevent global warming. We could pump it underground or ship it off-Earth via a space elevator. If people on Mars have no use for it we can dump it into the sun I suppose. That is what we should do with all of the fission rad-waste left from today's nuclear reactors. The notion that we have to bury that stuff underground here on earth and protect it for the next 10,000 years strikes me as unimaginative. It is silly. This is a problem we should leave to our great-grandchildren to fix. They will be able to do it more easily than we can. It will be a minor expense for them. Some problems are best left for posterity to fix. - Jed
