Re: [Vo]:The Politics of Science by Joseph Agassi

2014-12-22 Thread Alain Sepeda
Is there a serious belief that Science is separated from politics ? History is incoherent with that claim, and current history too. to be honest I observe that strangely corporate and business politics is often more politically neutral (only relative) than academic politics which is very

Re: [Vo]:The Politics of Science by Joseph Agassi

2014-12-22 Thread Jed Rothwell
Academic politics is the most vicious and bitter form of politics, because the stakes are so low. - attributed to Woodrow Wilson, who was president of Princeton University before he became president of the U.S. There are disciplines similar to academic science such as engineering, programming

[Vo]:short sentences re LENR

2014-12-22 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Readers, A basic virtue of the sentences discussed here is their content, however their shortness is also a good point. I wonder when will LENR say, symbolically, somethink like:Veni, vidi, vici? However here it is my mixed editorial for today:

[Vo]:Ryan Hunt comments on the color of the MFMP reactor

2014-12-22 Thread Jed Rothwell
There has been a lot of discussion about these photos published by the MFMP on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject/posts/881440191886681 Look at the lower two photos. They look bright white. However, someone from the MFPM commented at Facebook that they do not

Re: [Vo]:Ryan Hunt comments on the color of the MFMP reactor

2014-12-22 Thread Bob Higgins
The color of the MFMP dogbone and the Lugano hotCat are more complicated than what you would expect from blackbody radiation. Both devices had internal heaters at higher temperature than the surface of the ribbed ceramic convection tube. At visible wavelengths alumina transmits a good percentage

Re: [Vo]:Ryan Hunt comments on the color of the MFMP reactor

2014-12-22 Thread Jed Rothwell
Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com wrote: These effects conspire to make a simply taken picture taken nearly worthless in determination of temperature for this style of device. How about the color as perceived by the human eye? Is that of any value in determination of temperature in this

Re: [Vo]:Ryan Hunt comments on the color of the MFMP reactor

2014-12-22 Thread Jed Rothwell
Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com wrote: Because of the porosity of the alumina, the ceramic is a reddening (low pass) filter, so the light from the much hotter internal heater coils will be reddened as it is transmitted. . . . Ryan had a follow-up comment along those lines: The color

Re: [Vo]:Ryan Hunt comments on the color of the MFMP reactor

2014-12-22 Thread Bob Higgins
The eye does a good job at dealing with the infrared. Not everyone's eye is the same, but someone that can see more infrared has been seeing it all of his life and it is integrated into how he perceive color. The real problem is that the color is itself not a good indicator of temperature. Look

Re: [Vo]:Ryan Hunt comments on the color of the MFMP reactor

2014-12-22 Thread Bob Higgins
The far infrared behavior is expected to be much different than the visible case. The Optris images at ~20 longer wavelength - 6 to 13 microns. In this range, alumina is believed to be nearly completely opaque. The emissivity will be different, but the fact that it is opaque is, by far, the

RE: [Vo]:Ryan Hunt comments on the color of the MFMP reactor

2014-12-22 Thread Jones Beene
From: Bob Higgins Ø Being opaque, it means that the Optris camera was NOT measuring the higher internal temperature of the hotCat reaction core or heater coil, but just the surface. Bob, wait a second … just today - in an earlier post you said (correctly) “Because of the porosity of

Re: [Vo]:Ryan Hunt comments on the color of the MFMP reactor

2014-12-22 Thread Bob Higgins
From the experiments we have conducted, if a 1 micron wavelength Williamson pyrometer had been used, I would say the whole measurement would be wrong. However, at the 6-13 micron wavelength of the Optris, I am leaning toward the average temperature having been measured correctly by the Optris. I

RE: [Vo]:Ryan Hunt comments on the color of the MFMP reactor

2014-12-22 Thread Jones Beene
From: Bob Higgins Ø The alumina transmission cuts off between 3-4 microns… So, unless the Optris has an unexpected sensitivity to light shorter than 6 microns, then it should assess the average temperature correctly. Well, yeah … the “unexpected sensitivity” is almost a given – at

Re: [Vo]:Ryan Hunt comments on the color of the MFMP reactor

2014-12-22 Thread Bob Higgins
Turns out to get the Optris camera calibrated to the high temp range is what is taking so long. The company is doing their very best to get MFMP a camera for the test in late January. If we had the camera now we would be making all sorts of preliminary tests. We just want to be truly ready for