RE: [Vo]:WAY OFF TOPIC Quote from Huckabee
I don't want to see anyone change the constitution for any reason. We would all be much better off if our government would just conform to it exactly the way it is. Jeff -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 1:12 PM To: vortex-L@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:WAY OFF TOPIC Quote from Huckabee Sorry to introduce off-topic politics, but here is an appalling quote from Mike Huckabee of the American Taliban: I have opponents in this race who do not want to change the Constitution. But I believe it's a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living god. And that's what we need to do -- to amend the Constitution so it's in God's standards rather than try to change God's standards so it lines up with some contemporary view. At least we know where the man stands. - Jed No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.7/1232 - Release Date: 1/18/2008 7:32 PM
Re: [Vo]:WAY OFF TOPIC Quote from Huckabee
Howdy Jeff, Presidential executive orders are used to over rule the constitution. The conspiracy theorists running amok on the internet are screaming like chicken little that the sky is falling. We don't ned to change the constitution, we need to abolish the executive order privelige enjoyed by the prez. Richard I don't want to see anyone change the constitution for any reason. We would all be much better off if our government would just conform to it exactly the way it is. Jeff
Re: [Vo]:Edmund Storms lecture video at YouTube
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: I was able to view it a few days ago, but now I get the same message. Methinks the skeptic squad has struck again.;) Nope. Just technical problems. Brian tried to remove the 30 minutes of nothing and then found he erased the file and could not upload it again for some reason. Sorry about the glitches, everyone. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Spatial Energy Coherence
It looks like the importance of the resonant coil coupling. Terry On Jan 18, 2008 11:24 PM, OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From Terry Blanton: Dr. Stiffler has just added his ninth video: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wklrnyQMktA Terry I was lost. What does the latest video imply? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Spatial Energy Coherence
It looks like the importance of the resonant coil coupling. Terry http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wklrnyQMktA Mongo watch Stiffler demo on U-Tube. Mongo still don't get what resonant coil coupling means. Does resonant coil coupling mean new choo-choos wont need black rocks and fire to go choo-choo? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:WAY OFF TOPIC Quote from Huckabee
- Original Message - From: "R.C.Macaulay" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, January 19, 2008 8:58 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:WAY OFF TOPIC Quote from Huckabee Howdy Jeff, Presidential "executive orders" are used to over rule the constitution. The conspiracy theorists running amok on the internet are screaming like chicken little that the sky is falling. We don't ned to change the constitution, we need to abolish the executive order privelige enjoyed by the prez. Richard I don't want to see anyone change the constitution for any reason. We would all be much better off if our government would just conform to it exactlythe way it is. Jeff http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Constitution see provisions for amendments and amemdents. Harry
Re: [Vo]:WAY OFF TOPIC Quote from Huckabee
ohh, the ammendment refference. As a christian, i have no problem with a religious president (note, any religion. jewish, muslim, hell, a wiccan president would be cool. imagine what cabinet meetings would be like!) but a president running the country religiously, well... if huckabee wins, then the 00 curse was merely delayed. On Jan 18, 2008 10:23 PM, Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *- Original Message -* *From*: Lawrence de Bivort [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Date*: Friday, January 18, 2008 1:32 pm *Subject*: RE: [Vo]:WAY OFF TOPIC Quote from Huckabee Cool, if he means MY god! Not sure I'd trust his, whoever he is referringto. Do you have a source, Jed? Lawrence -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 1:12 PM To: vortex-L@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:WAY OFF TOPIC Quote from Huckabee Sorry to introduce off-topic politics, but here is an appalling quote from Mike Huckabee of the American Taliban: I have opponents in this race who do not want to change the Constitution. But I believe it's a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living god. And that's what we need to do -- to amend the Constitution so it's in God's standards rather than try to change God's standards so it line! s gt Is it the God reference or the amendment reference that disturbs you? Harry -- Forwarded message -- From: Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:21:21 -0500 Subject: Re: RE: [Vo]:WAY OFF TOPIC Quote from Huckabee *- Original Message -* *From*: Lawrence de Bivort [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Date*: Friday, January 18, 2008 1:32 pm *Subject*: RE: [Vo]:WAY OFF TOPIC Quote from Huckabee Cool, if he means MY god! Not sure I'd trust his, whoever he is referringto. Do you have a source, Jed? Lawrence -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 1:12 PM To: vortex-L@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:WAY OFF TOPIC Quote from Huckabee Sorry to introduce off-topic politics, but here is an appalling quote from Mike Huckabee of the American Taliban: I have opponents in this race who do not want to change the Constitution. But I believe it's a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living god. And that's what we need to do -- to amend the Constitution so it's in God's standards rather than try to change God's standards so it line! s gt Is it the God reference or the amendment reference that disturbs you? Harry -- That which yields isn't always weak.
Re: [Vo]:Spatial Energy Coherence
Here, take this candygram and remember that life is like a box of chocolates. I dunno. Maybe Mr. Bean can chime in here. Terry On Jan 19, 2008 9:57 AM, OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It looks like the importance of the resonant coil coupling. Terry http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wklrnyQMktA Mongo watch Stiffler demo on U-Tube. Mongo still don't get what resonant coil coupling means. Does resonant coil coupling mean new choo-choos wont need black rocks and fire to go choo-choo? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Norton AntiSpam] RE: [Vo]:WAY OFF TOPIC Quote from Huckabee
It is the subordination of a principle (the Constitution) that represents everyone (all the citizens) for a principle (God's law) that represents only a portion of the whole (those who believe in that God). Cheers, Lawrence _ From: Harry Veeder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 12:23 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] RE: [Vo]:WAY OFF TOPIC Quote from Huckabee - Original Message - From: Lawrence de Bivort [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, January 18, 2008 1:32 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:WAY OFF TOPIC Quote from Huckabee Cool, if he means MY god! Not sure I'd trust his, whoever he is referringto. Do you have a source, Jed? Lawrence -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 1:12 PM To: vortex-L@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:WAY OFF TOPIC Quote from Huckabee Sorry to introduce off-topic politics, but here is an appalling quote from Mike Huckabee of the American Taliban: I have opponents in this race who do not want to change the Constitution. But I believe it's a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living god. And that's what we need to do -- to amend the Constitution so it's in God's standards rather than try to change God's standards so it line! s Is it the God reference or the amendment reference that disturbs you? Harry
Re: [Vo]:Spatial Energy Coherence
--- Terry Blanton wrote: It looks like the importance of the resonant coil coupling. The idea is that there is a self-generated spatial feedback mechanism at work, which is gainful, and which is derived from the combined magnetic and RF parameters of the device. How these parameters interact to be gainful is not yet clear. At one time last month, it seemed to me that the LEDs were themselves active to received energy, but now the locus of gain appears not to be there (LEDS) but instead appears to be in the high-Q wound inductor coil when that coil has the Avramenko plug attached and an open ended wire (which of course transmits RF). The RF field which is generated seems to be contained and focused into a much smaller area than would be expected from a normal RF transmission, even at such low power. As synchronicity would have it, there is a recent article from MIT of interest in the news, which is relevant. They were able to light a 60 W light bulb from a power source seven feet away with no physical connection between the source. Tesla did this, of course. But it is the detail of the new method, and not the feat itself, which is newsworthy. BTW this story is coming from MIT, and of course they are not claiming a gainful feedback mechanism by any means. Here is ome article: http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2007/wireless-0607.html Google even has an entry on witricity (pronounced Y-tricity) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WiTricity However, Dr Stiffler's more advanced circuit seems to be gainful, and the difference there is a second, layered interaction. MIT did not use the Avramenko plug. WiTricity or wireless electricity is the same idea Nikola Tesla invented and worked on during the early 1900s. What took us so long to get back to it? The anomaly, even in the MIT 'mild' version, seems to be that the resultant energy transfer field is somehow more than just an RF radio transmission, which is very inefficient as a power source, and that space itself becomes activated in a more constrained geometry. In the case of the Stiffler SEC, space seems to be activated further, so as to deliver more energy than the stimulus. If the claimed energy extraction is real, then it is probably a form of ZPE coherence. BION even at MIT, as conservative as they are ... they make a rather large distinction between magnetic waves and electromagnetic waves which is more than a semantic distinction, but this is just the starting point for the next big step, IMHO. The advance made by Dr. Stiffler, and personally it seems to me to be a major breakthrough, is that by using the Avramenko plug in addition to magnetic waves, he is able to layer two different kinds of wave-properties constructively, perhaps in a resultant cross-field, which apparently produces an unexpected interaction which is gainful on the receiving-end. I will add the usual caveat. Overunity has not been proved. There are strong hints, and Dr S. believes that there is bona fide overunity. I trust his appraisal of the situation, but I do not expect others to be convinced until independent verification arrives. If he is correct, independent verification will arrive soon. And needless to say, following that, the world will be a very different place. From everything which is out there today in alternative energy, from the simple to the complex, it appears to this observer that there is a quickening under way, and that we are poised on the brink of perhaps several major breakthroughs... ...and not a moment too soon. Jones
Re: [Vo]:Spatial Energy Coherence
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sat, 19 Jan 2008 12:44:58 -0800 (PST): Hi, [snip] The idea is that there is a self-generated spatial feedback mechanism at work, which is gainful, and which is derived from the combined magnetic and RF parameters of the device. How these parameters interact to be gainful is not yet clear. At one time last month, it seemed to me that the LEDs were themselves active to received energy, but now the locus of gain appears not to be there (LEDS) but instead appears to be in the high-Q wound inductor coil when that coil has the Avramenko plug attached and an open ended wire (which of course transmits RF). [snip] Be mindful of the fact that the coils may simply be acting as a (small) capacitor, and transmitting RF directly. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Vo]:Spatial Energy Coherence
Beene sez: ... If [Dr, Stiffler] is correct, independent verification will arrive soon. And needless to say, following that, the world will be a very different place. From everything which is out there today in alternative energy, from the simple to the complex, it appears to this observer that there is a quickening under way, and that we are poised on the brink of perhaps several major breakthroughs... ...and not a moment too soon. Jones Hope your right. FWIW I must confess here that I share a similar sense of unfounded optimism. However, for the life of me I cannot fathom WHY I'm personally feeling unusually optimistic about the search for viable AE sources regardless of whether they are prosaic or exotic by nature. I noticed that my feelings of optimism starting cropping up around Thursday and Friday of last week. There is no apparent reason that I can discern as to WHY I'm feeling more optimistic than usual. No one has been whispering secrets in my ear. I dunno. I just felt like mentioning it. Feel free to dismiss it as an overactive imagination from Yours Truly. /FWIW Mongo like candy! Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Spatial Energy Coherence
Could be the candy: What evidence would you have of my reality beyond that of your senses? I don't know, said Scrooge. Why do you doubt your senses? Because, said Scrooge, a little thing affects them. A slight disorder of the stomach makes them cheats. You may be an undigested bit of beef, a blot of mustard, a crumb of cheese, a fragment of an underdone potato. There's more of gravy than of grave about you, whatever you are! Terry On Jan 19, 2008 5:07 PM, OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Beene sez: ... If [Dr, Stiffler] is correct, independent verification will arrive soon. And needless to say, following that, the world will be a very different place. From everything which is out there today in alternative energy, from the simple to the complex, it appears to this observer that there is a quickening under way, and that we are poised on the brink of perhaps several major breakthroughs... ...and not a moment too soon. Jones Hope your right. FWIW I must confess here that I share a similar sense of unfounded optimism. However, for the life of me I cannot fathom WHY I'm personally feeling unusually optimistic about the search for viable AE sources regardless of whether they are prosaic or exotic by nature. I noticed that my feelings of optimism starting cropping up around Thursday and Friday of last week. There is no apparent reason that I can discern as to WHY I'm feeling more optimistic than usual. No one has been whispering secrets in my ear. I dunno. I just felt like mentioning it. Feel free to dismiss it as an overactive imagination from Yours Truly. /FWIW Mongo like candy! Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Spatial Energy Coherence
One other thing of interest to add -- The idea is that there is a self-generated spatial feedback mechanism at work, which is gainful, and which is derived from the combined magnetic and RF parameters of the device. How these parameters interact to be gainful is not yet clear. That other thing which might be relevant to understanding, if and when an excess heat anomaly is independently proved, is ultrasound. The very far-end of the ultrasound range is in the low megahertz, like the SEC. Medical diagnostic ultrasound, for instance, goes up to 2000 kHz or higher. Never mind that no animal can hear it. The SEC is in the range of an octaves or two higher. This higher range of ultrasound frequencies has also been used in treating cancer via a process known as Focused Ultrasound Surgery. Compared with the laser (i.e. for surgery) sound is surprisingly similar in local intensity, since it is also *coherent* so the waves don't cancel - but the reason sound works at all, at millions of times less frequency (and energy per wave) than laser light, is that instead of moving photons around, sound is moving phonons around - and that mass difference approaches infinity. Anyway - an important overlap, and possible key to understanding, if this thing does prove out to be gainful, is **photon/phonon** ...and how photon movement can be instantly converted into phonon movement (for heat) with a boost due to the enormous mass differential, even if the waves are of identical frequency. Jones
