Re: [Vo]:Tooo obvious for Detroit?

2008-03-06 Thread thomas malloy
I corresponded with an inventor who had a patent on an engine design 
that sounded similar to this.


R C Macaulay wrote:

Interesting thinking Jones. A proposed valveless, pistonless 
engine/motor concept is being studied whereas the engine is ring 
shaped and drives a cluster of embedded cavity discs positioned with 
the ring. The design approach


Jones  wrote,


The following suggestion, or a version of it, will be


implemented by some perceptive auto manufacturer in
the coming years.






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Re: [Vo]:Re: Tooo obvious for Detroit?

2008-03-06 Thread Terry Blanton
I can't allow the denigration of engineers in the automotive industry
continue.  I had a friend who was an engineering manager in Detroit
and he said that the reason they built $hitty cars was management and
marketing.  The engineers battled constantly for design and
manufacturing standards only to be overcome by money margins and
maniacal marketing mangers.  One of the most successful cars ever
built, the Mustang, was done so by an engineer.

Terry



Re: [Vo]:Tooo obvious for Detroit?

2008-03-06 Thread R C Macaulay


Howdy Thomas,
There is a far step from an inventor and an engineer- design team. Mention 
the word inventor and we run. Mention the inventors' work is patented and 
we duck our head waiting for the noise sure to follow.
All engine designs that perform useful work are similar. The difference 
between them are people. Some engines like Cummins diesel have what it 
takes, Detroit diesel don't have it.  It will take  some real work to get 
Cummins to change.


THe Wankel rotary is an example of designers that love to play smartypants. 
They finally got a perfectly useless engine to work.
Down the road aways comes the battery operated jalopy made of bicycle 
components... try applying this technology to high speed diesel motor trucks 
and discover why we need new motor fuels that fuel 500-800 HP truck engines 
and Cat dozers. Hoss power is horse manure.. torque is what a mule's got in 
his rear. This world needs a whole new stable of advanced radical engine 
designs for work engines just like we need energy efficent autos.

Richard


I corresponded with an inventor who had a patent on an engine design that 
sounded similar to this.


R C Macaulay wrote:

Interesting thinking Jones. A proposed valveless, pistonless engine/motor 
concept is being studied whereas the engine is ring shaped and drives a 
cluster of embedded cavity discs positioned with the ring. The design 
approach


Jones  wrote,


The following suggestion, or a version of it, will be


implemented by some perceptive auto manufacturer in
the coming years.




[Vo]:Significant advance for biofuel

2008-03-06 Thread Jones Beene
Here is a dewatering membrane which appears to be in
prototype production now - useful as an alternative to
distillation, for enriching alcohol:

http://.vaperma.com/industrial_applications/ethanol.php?lang=en

... this type of membrane should work even better for
enriching butanol than ethanol, since that alcohol
molecule is significantly larger. A Canadian plant
using this technique is scheduled to open this year.

Butanol, as mentioned many time here, is far superior
to ethanol. Fortunately, the manufacturing
infrastructure is almost completely interchangeable,
even hot swappable to borrow a phrase. 

Bio-butanol from non-food biomass like cellulose is
looking more and more like the sustainable and
carbon-neutral transportation fuel of the future.

Until then, we are stuck with ethanol.