[Vo]:[VO] : Old Energy New Money
Howdy Vorts, Energy has displaced the US dollar as coin of the realm. This simple observation permits an examination of not only the US dollar as being a reserve currency, it also allows us another view into the fundamentals of gold. When gold reached $ 1,000.00 per oz/troy.. it demonstrated the US dollar has lost it's posture as a reserve currency. The world does not yet have another true medium outside of gold, so the logical step may be to fall back on the value of a barrel of crude oil. The USA has operated under the Keynesian economic model since FDR. This model ,as in all pyramid schemes, anticipates a sustained gravy train with biscuit wheels economy where everything purchased yesterday will be paid for in tomorrows dollars well.. err.. until.. there is no tomorrow. A new energy formula and policy may be stymied.. not by lack of leadership.. but by lack of understanding of the medium of currency. The nations with crude oil based economies may be the ones forced to construct a new currency model just as the USA was forced by the great depression into the Keynesian. Richard
RE: [Vo]:[VO] : Old Energy New Money
Richard, have you seen any estimates of what gold would be worth if it was not used by some as an investment strategy against currency fluctuations? That is, if it were only used as a common material in manufacturing and jewelry, what might it be worth? Lawrence _ From: R C Macaulay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 9:25 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:[VO] : Old Energy New Money Howdy Vorts, Energy has displaced the US dollar as coin of the realm. This simple observation permits an examination of not only the US dollar as being a reserve currency, it also allows us another view into the fundamentals of gold. When gold reached $ 1,000.00 per oz/troy.. it demonstrated the US dollar has lost it's posture as a reserve currency. The world does not yet have another true medium outside of gold, so the logical step may be to fall back on the value of a barrel of crude oil. The USA has operated under the Keynesian economic model since FDR. This model ,as in all pyramid schemes, anticipates a sustained gravy train with biscuit wheels economy where everything purchased yesterday will be paid for in tomorrows dollars well.. err.. until.. there is no tomorrow. A new energy formula and policy may be stymied.. not by lack of leadership.. but by lack of understanding of the medium of currency. The nations with crude oil based economies may be the ones forced to construct a new currency model just as the USA was forced by the great depression into the Keynesian. Richard
[Vo]:Test
My posts have not made it to vortex for 24 hours. Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Kanzius - Roy publication
A possibly more accurate description of the Kanzius electrolysis process follows. The dissolved Na and Cl ions are each surrounded by a hydration layer, a layer of water molecules polarized radially by the central ions. The alternating RF field causes vibration of the nuclei within the ions, but more importantly, mutually 180 degrees out of phase vibration of the ions within their hydration layers. These oscillating mechanisms permit kinetic energy storage, energy which can ionize the hydration layers upon the occasional close approach of the Na and Cl ions, and even permit momentary and partial penetration and/or ionization of the hydration layers by the ions. This catalyses the reaction: 2 H2O - H2 + HOOH The concentration of NaCl has to be sufficient that enough ions are adjacent to each other to support this kind of catalytic action. Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Kanzius - Roy publication
I was getting posts from you yesterday. Let me say again, that if the mechanism you suggest is really happening, and if the HOOH has not been accounted for, then the Kanzius process is more efficient than thought. In fact, it may be as efficient as DC electrolysis. J. - Original Message From: Horace Heffner A possibly more accurate description of the Kanzius electrolysis process follows. The dissolved Na and Cl ions are each surrounded by a hydration layer, a layer of water molecules polarized radially by the central ions. The alternating RF field causes vibration of the nuclei within the ions, but more importantly, mutually 180 degrees out of phase vibration of the ions within their hydration layers. These oscillating mechanisms permit kinetic energy storage, energy which can ionize the hydration layers upon the occasional close approach of the Na and Cl ions, and even permit momentary and partial penetration and/or ionization of the hydration layers by the ions. This catalyses the reaction: 2 H2O - H2 + HOOH The concentration of NaCl has to be sufficient that enough ions are adjacent to each other to support this kind of catalytic action. Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Test
this one did. On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Horace Heffner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My posts have not made it to vortex for 24 hours. Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/ -- That which yields isn't always weak.
Re: [Vo]:Kanzius - Roy publication
On Mar 14, 2008, at 12:01 PM, Jones Beene wrote: I was getting posts from you yesterday. It appears you received my test post. I haven't received that back yet. I also noted a post I made yesterday that did not ever show up in the archives. Let me say again, that if the mechanism you suggest is really happening, and if the HOOH has not been accounted for, then the Kanzius process is more efficient than thought. In fact, it may be as efficient as DC electrolysis. There is no evidence for this at all, one way or the other, AFIK, because there has been no published calorimetry data. Further, the process can ultimately consume all the solution, so eventually the oxygen is generated: 2 HOOH - O2 + 2 H2O Some of oxygen may go into formation of NaOH in the final residue when the process is carried to completion, but that amount must necessarily be small if the initial NaCl concentration is small. Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
[Vo]:Two papers by Biberian about same experiment
Do Not Respond to This Message There are now two papers by Biberian describing the same data set from the gas loading experiment: The new one has the old name: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/BiberianJPexcessheatc.pdf The old one has a new name: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/BiberianJPexcessheatd.pdf Or, as Vera Marcal explained in Duck Soup: If you're found, you're lost! To which Chicolini (Chico Marx) replied: You're crazy! How can I be lost if I'm found? This is important work. (Biberian, not Duck Soup.) The two papers describe different aspect of the work. Biberian tells me they have not done a second run yet. This is a gas loading experiment similar to ones done by Li, and somewhat similar to Arata. - Jed
