[Vo]:electrogravitics
Vortexians; Luke Fortune, the author of http://www.ufohowto.com/ was interviewed on C to C AM. He is an advocate of electrogravitics. I told him that AFAIK, it requires more energy per unit of weight to lift something electrogravitically than is consumed by a rocket, which is know as an economy vehicle. Has anyone ever heard of stimulating negative nuclear spin values? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:Space Energy / Don Kelly query
what is this trash about tilley? i am not in any way interested in tilley, im interested in: Timothy Thrapp/WITS/WITTS. you're the second one on this list who starts quoting me other people who are frauds, with not even a mention of Thrapp. i dont get it, why do you people operate this way? On 23/03/2008, thomas malloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Esa Ruoho wrote: Good day. Might someone on this list have back issues of the Space Energy Journals? One of them, apparently from before 2003, has Don Kelly writing about one Timothy Thrapp of the World Improvement Technologies fame (or, Interesting URL Esa. I dropped my subscription to Don Kelly's magazine many years ago. Too many false claims. AFAIK, Tilley is a fraud. I found the summary paragraph interesting, the translation software didn't translate the word after business practices, unseriousn, can anybody translate that? However, the wheat and chaff line was spot on. AFAIK, the only people who are making money in the FE business are presenting conferences. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- -- -- we are all astronauts on board the spaceship earth. there are no passengers, only crew. - r. buckminster fuller
Re: [Vo]:Space Energy / Don Kelly query
Esa Ruoho wrote: what is this trash about tilley? i am not in any way interested in tilley, im interested in: Timothy Thrapp/WITS/WITTS. you're the second one on this list who starts quoting me other people who are frauds, with not even a mention of Thrapp. i dont get it, why do you people operate this way? Because there are so many frauds and Vaporware merchants, who have separated so many people, from so much money, that's why! Did you try searching on Google or Yahoo? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
[Vo]:Bin Laden trades
Hi All, The gangsters have taken another hit, and Admiral Fallon deserves the credit. Meanwhile, the oil glut is intensifying as the U. S. miltary has been able to nullify Bush's laughable sabre rattling, increasing the probability of $40 per barrel oil before the end of 2008. The terror premium could soon evaporate, and the price of oil could drop to $70 per barrel ovenight. What will the Oil Gang do about this? More to the point, what will the Oil Jackals (Russia, Iran, etc.) do about it? To re-establish the apparent threat to the Iranian oil fields will the Iranians now release Sadr's Mahdi Army against American forces in Iraq? Also, the Saudis may think it's to their advantage to fund a major Iraqi Sunni attack on us. The sooner we get off oil the better. Let them drink their oil. Jack Smith
Re: [Vo]:A memory of March 1989 and Arthur C. Clarke
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 12:55 AM, thomas malloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Terry Blanton wrote: Particularly is the Thai Buddhist concept of Nirvana. The individual lives but a brief life before striking the earth whereby the mote returns to the dust and the drop makes it way to the sea. Classic New Age Schick. I gather you meant 'schtick': http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2q=schtick or do you speak of Ockham's razor? :-) Terry
Re: [Vo]:A memory of March 1989 and Arthur C. Clarke
Hi Thomas, Some follow-up thoughts. Terry Blanton wrote: Particularly is the Thai Buddhist concept of Nirvana. The individual lives but a brief life before striking the earth whereby the mote returns to the dust and the drop makes it way to the sea. Terry Classic New Age Schick. IOW, one does not care to even try comprehending what Terry might have been trying to suggest. It's just easier to take the framiliar path and proclaim it's all New Age Schick. - aka: schtic (Thank you, Terry!) OrionWorks wrote: I have often noted the fact that a number of atheists I've known are actually deeply spiritual individuals, Dennis Prager debated a man at the American Atheists Conference this morning. Dr. Zeiler advanced the case for Rational Scienticism, which he contended could be the basis of a moral system. AFAIK, this position is the position of most atheists. Dennis pointed out that both Stalin and Mao were followers of RS. He continued by mentioning their murderous accomplishments. In his final statement, Dennis pointed out the accomplishments of secularism; in his humble opinion, their accomplishments in governance, culture, education, religion, philosophy, arts, music, are crap. You appear to state that Dennis Prager believes the accomplishments of all those Rational Secularists G_dless Atheists are nothing more than, in your own words, crap. I fear you have parsed Mr. Prager's opinions down to a level where there isn't much left to discuss. I've noticed that you seem to quote Dennis Prager a lot - over and over and OVER, again and again. I'd sure like to know what your own personal opinions might be on these fertile issues. Surely you have acquired a few of your own along the way. Let me put it in another way, I sure wish you would stop hiding behind Prager's opinions. Haven't you a few of your own that could stand on their own two legs? Personally, I'm convinced beyond a shadow of doubt that you do. FWIW, I would suggest that using Stalin or Mao as an examples of how Atheists truly behave is no more of an valid explanation than using the Ayatollah Khomeini as an example of how certain religious minded individuals behave. It is a tragic fact that people occasionally do unspeakable things to their brothers and sisters because they are behaving like ignorant, frightened, bigoted individuals. It's not because they happen to be followers of Atheism, or that they are Muslim, a Jew, or a Christian. To believe and/or claim their despicable behavior is due to their belief in Atheism, or whatever, is never going to cut to the core of the true causes of such human tragedy. For Prager to be seemingly incapable of comprehending that simple fact doesn't give me much confidence in the rest of his perceptions on the accomplishments (or lack thereof) of humanity. I was cheering. At this point, I saw a woman storming out, her body language said, I can't listen to anymore of this. IMHO, it's moments like this which reassure me that there is a just G-d. It would seem on the surface that the woman in question couldn't take anymore of the on-going debate, but then, perhaps she may have suddenly had an urgent appointment with the nearest restroom for all we really know. In any case, that's her problem and that's how she personally chose to deal with it. What I'd really like to know is why you appear to be implying that her walking out proves there is a just G_d. A just god? Is she destined to be a lost lamb for the rest of her miserable life, to eventually burn in hell simply because she walked out on Prager??? and I mean that on a primal level. Ironically, most hard-core religious fundamentalists I've met (particularly those that come from traditional religious institutions) don't seem to comprehend the kind of spirituality that atheists can naturally exude from deep within the inner cores. We understand it perfectly well Steven. What you need to understand is that this system has failed every time it's been tried. This is because it doesn't recognize man's fallen and sinful nature. This is what I want to tell Richard Dawkins. That and; Darwinism, and the ideas which grow out of it like, Spontaneous Biogenesis, Panspermia, the Gia Hypothesis are so fanciful that they deserve to be included in an anthology of the greatest science fiction stories of all time. Let's add the story of Genesis as well! I love all of that knowing begetting that was going on! A real soap opera! Witness the crazed suicidal bomber who tries to take out as many innocent souls as he possibly can. You have to realize that there are two gods in this system, one is the G-d of Israel, and the other is Lucifer. They have produced two quite different religious systems these two gods. One is the Holy Torah, the other New Age. No, I don't have to reduce my realizations down to ...realize[ing] there are two gods. Yes-No Black-White decisions. Why in G_d's name would anyone want to shoot
Re: [Vo]:Bin Laden trades
Jack Smith wrote: The gangsters have taken another hit ... According to the scarce information which is available, the net out-of-pocket cash loss in these option trades, which are fully documented trades, is close to ten billion dollars from adding up all the reported loss of the two trading deadlines together. There is no indication that the two differing time periods were actually connected by a single person or group, however. The only thing that stands out as linking them is that the risk undertaken was so extraordinary as to be unthinkable in a normal economy. The net loss from the anomalous trades could be much more, since we only know about the big trades which were reported only because they were so unusual in the risk which was undertaken that no bank or even no rogue trader would ever even consider them as remotely possible to succeed. ... that is: many people play the options market and make large bets the wrong way on options, that is not unusual ... but without inside information of a major international incident (like 9/11 or a surprise attack on Iran) these were out of the ball-park in terms of risk and improbability. Even 9/11 would not have near enough of a financial impact on the markets (without a possible recession) to make such a improbably risk pay-off. The party or parties involved in the trades HAD TO BE convinced that war with Iran, or something on that same scale, was going to happen prior to last week. They also had to be wealthy. Many will write-off the whole incident as meaningless, or rationalize it as somehow related to Bear Stearns or Soc Gen, etc (even though neither bank was not involved, at least not by name, or even by rumor). However, the bottom line effect of it all could end-up spelling the demise of some significant ability, by anti-Western bad guys to do further harm, since even terrorists need to be paid. This $10 billion may be pocket change to a country like Saudi Arabia, but NOT to a terrorist organization, if for instance- the remnants of Bin Laden's group were really behind the trades. ...and Admiral Fallon deserves the credit. ...the Wiki entry on this great patriot has been updated: On March 11, 2008, [Admiral Fallon] announced his resignation from CENTCOM [head of the Iraq war effort] and retirement from active duty, citing administrative complications caused in part by an article in Esquire Magazine, which described him as the only thing standing between the Bush Administration and war with Iran. Like Jack (probably) and others, I have been pondering the significance of Cheney's visit. Given his penchant for Machiavellian plotting, it would not surprise anyone if there is/was not something of significance involving Iran which was going-on behind the scenes. But it would take something really extraordinary to justify war with Iran this close to an election. How about Cheney's helicopter gets shot down as a prelude to a surprise attack? Of course, he turns up later, in a few years, in the Dubai Hilton. Along with Ken Lay ;-) Jones
Re: [Vo]:A memory of March 1989 and Arthur C. Clarke
There was interesting pragrom recently on CBC radioon the role of translation on western philosophy and thought. One guest pointed out that theKing Jamesbible is not really the word of God but ahuman translation of the word of God. ;-) Harry - Original Message - From: thomas malloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, March 24, 2008 0:55 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:A memory of March 1989 and Arthur C. Clarke Terry Blanton wrote:Particularly is the Thai Buddhist concept of Nirvana.The individual lives but a brief life before striking the earth whereby the mote returns to the dust and the drop makes it way to the sea.Classic New Age Schick. TerryOn Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 10:34 AM, OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I sense another tremor in diatribe forces... I have often noted the fact that a number of atheists I've known are actually deeply spiritual individuals,Dennis Prager debated a man at the American Atheists Conference this morning. Dr. Zeiler advanced the case for Rational Scienticism, which he contended co! uld be th
[Vo]:Land and food
Regarding the Environmental space thread, I mentioned that this book is chock full of stats about land and food: Pimentel, D. and M. Pimentel (eds), Food, Energy, and Society, Revised Edition. 1996: University Press of Colorado. See chapter 12 especially, which the editors themselves wrote. Quote from p. 149: Land for Food Production More than 99 percent of the world's food supply comes from the land. Worldwide, about 1.5 billion ha of arable land are cultivated to produce food (Lai and Pierce, 1991). The global supply of arable land is 0.27 ha per capita; in the United States 0.6 ha per capita are cultivated to produce our relatively high animal protein and high calorie diet (Lai and Pierce, 1991). By the year 2025 arable land per capita worldwide will decline to a meager 0.2 ha and to only 0.1 ha by 2100. This estimate assumes there will be no further degradation in the quality of arable land. During the past 40 years, about 30 percent of the world's arable land has been lost (Pimentel et al., 1995). Current agricultural practices create considerable topsoil erosion. Its severity depends on the particular crops planted, methods of culture and management, topography, rainfall and wind, and other factors (Pimentel et al., 1987; Lai and Pierce, 1991). Worldwide, erosion and its associated problems force the abandonment of 7 (Tolba, 1989) to 15 million (Pimentel, 1993) ha of land each year. This problem is also severe in the United States. For example, Iowa, which has some of the best soil in the world, has lost half of its topsoil after being farmed for about 100 years (Risser, 1981). This sounds dire, but as I pointed out in my book, chapter 16, with cold fusion or some other advanced source of energy plus indoor food factories we could vastly reduce the amount of land it takes to grow food. I estimated that we could grow enough to feed the entire U.S. population in an area the size of greater New York City. This would not take any major breakthroughs other than the energy source, plus in vitro meat production, which is making good progress. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:A memory of March 1989 and Arthur C. Clarke
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 12:27 PM, Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There was interesting pragrom recently on CBC radio on the role of translation on western philosophy and thought. One guest pointed out that the King James bible is not really the word of God but a human translation of the word of God. ;-) Inspiration is the word. See Bart D Ehrman: http://www.amazon.com/Misquoting-Jesus-Story-Behind-Changed/dp/0060738170 Terry
Re: [Vo]:Land and food
Howdy Jed, Few around Houston can imagine the area was once prime farm land first cultivated by German immigrants with truck farms delivering fresh vegetables daily. By 1900, rice farming was underway with Japanese immigrants. By the end of WW2 Rice was a super crop exported across the world. These huge rice fields stretching from Beaumont across to Victoria but are now reduced to a small percentage of earlier times. The subdivision expansion of single dwelling homes continues and entirely cover some of the best rice farm land in the world. Combined with this huge land area some 250x 100 miles is one of the world's most prolific fresh water aquifers on earth. The Gulf Coast acquifer. This acquifer was the reason why Houston developed into the petrochem complex it is today. Few places on earth have such an huge quanity of fresh water available. The industries now have available the coastal industrial water authority which canals water from the Trinity River and comsumes some one billion gallons per day from that source plus the acquifer. Land has subsided as much as 14 feet in parts of Harris and surrounding counties from excess pumping. Land subsidence is now measurable as far north as Fayette county( my home). Not to worry.. the petrochem industry has one of the strongest lobbying efforts in the nation that protects their right to almost free and unlimited water and a liscense to pollute at will. The profits are so huge that Shell resorted to some very creative bookkeeping to show a loss 2 years back. How??. They wrote down their estimate of holding of crude reserves, fired their manager and held out their hand to IRS. Our two US senator wept tears while supporting their pauper's claim.. nowhere but Texas. Richard Richard Jed wrote, During the past 40 years, about 30 percent of the world's arable land has been lost (Pimentel et al., 1995). Current agricultural practices create considerable topsoil erosion. Its severity depends on the particular crops planted, methods of culture and management, topography, rainfall and wind, and other factors (Pimentel et al., 1987; Lai and Pierce, 1991). Worldwide, erosion and its associated problems force the abandonment of 7 (Tolba, 1989) to 15 million (Pimentel, 1993) ha of land each year. This problem is also severe in the United States. For example, Iowa, which has some of the best soil in the world, has lost half of its topsoil after being farmed for about 100 years (Risser, 1981).
