Re: [Vo]:A memory of March 1989 and Arthur C. Clarke
On 26/3/2008 12:49 AM, thomas malloy wrote: Harry Veeder wrote: *There was interesting pragrom recently on CBC radio on the role* *of translation on western philosophy and thought.* *One guest pointed out that the King James bible is not really the word* *of God but a human translation of the word of God. ;-)* ** They're absolutely right. If you really want to understand the Tanach (Old Testament) you have to read it in Hebrew, and understand Judaicah. And the new testament is a translation from Latin and who knows what else. Harry
Re: [Vo]:A memory of March 1989 and Arthur C. Clarke
OrionWorks wrote: Hi Thomas, Some follow-up thoughts. Terry Blanton wrote: Particularly is the Thai Buddhist concept of Nirvana. and proclaim it's all New Age Schick. - aka: schtic (Thank you, Terry!) No, it grows out out a particular world view. You appear to state that Dennis Prager believes the accomplishments of We think that many of the products of the secular society are crap I've noticed that you seem to quote Dennis Prager a lot - over and over and OVER, again and again. I'd sure like to know what your own That's because I agree with a lot of what he says. BTW, the show is webcast, and liberals go to the head of the line. FWIW, I would suggest that using Stalin or Mao as an examples of how Atheists truly behave is no more of an valid explanation than using Stalin and Mao were both followers of Scientific Rationalism. AFAIK, it is a system which has failed every time it has been tried. the Ayatollah Khomeini as an example of how certain religious minded The Radical Islamists have the Qur'an (interpreted literally) on their side. It would seem on the surface that the woman in question couldn't take anymore of the on-going debate, but then, perhaps she may have A man sitting behind me reported that about 10 atheists (they had ID tags) headed out about the same time. Too much coffee perhaps? Is she destined to be a lost lamb for the rest of her miserable life, to eventually burn in hell simply because she walked out on Prager??? I think that her mind was already made up. My point was that Dennis' comments cut her to the quick. and I mean that on a primal level. Ironically, most hard-core religious fundamentalists I've met (particularly those that come from traditional religious institu We understand it perfectly well Steven. What you need to understand is that this system has failed every time it's been tried. This is because it doesn't recognize man's fallen and sinful nature. Let's add the story of Genesis as well! I love all of that knowing begetting that was going on! A real soap opera! Genesis being a classic case in point. Witness the crazed suicidal bomber who tries to take out as many innocent souls as he possibly can. You have to realize that there are two gods in this system, one is the G-d of Israel, and the other is Lucifer. They have produced two quite different religious systems these two gods. One is the Holy Torah, the other New Age. No, I don't have to reduce my realizations down to ...realize[ing] there are two gods. Yes-No Black-White decisions. Why in G_d's name would anyone want to shoot themselves in the foot in such a reductionistic manner. In the same vein, why do you ...have to realize that this HAS to be the absolute truth of the matter? In the early 20th Century there was a venture capitalist named Herbert Walker, he was the president of Brown Brothers. He had a Russian Chauffeur named Leon Trotsky. He gave Trotsky $2 million in gold and passage to Russia. You know the rest of the story. Herbert had a daughter named Dorthy. She married Prescott Bush. Herbert helped raise his grandson, George Herbert Walker Bush. In 1963 America had a coup. Poppi Bush has one of the people implicated. The above paragraphs are a short explanation of the history of the 20th Century. The other side's moves in this chess game were the rebirth of the Israeli state. It has been suggested that the world would be better in Algore had won the presidency. Well, Algore would have won if he had carried Tennessee. He would have carried Tennessee, were it not for his uncompromising stand on gun control. Why are they doing this? There are some things which are more desirable than money, and power is one of them. Then there is the population problem, there are too many humans, and they intend to redress the matter. But it's all about instituting a New World Order. You may recall Poppi's speech about the matter. What happens to your absolute reasoning on this matter if deep down inside somewhere inside of your soul, you begin to acquire even the slightest doubt as to it's absoluteness? It's clear to me that we are up against creatures who are smarter than we are, and as evil as we can imagine. If I'm wrong, we're screwed. What happens then? Are you a lost lamb to be thrown to the wolves? Are you destined to burn in hell for allowing your soul to entertain the audacity of doubting your own personal interpretation of a one true g_d? Are they really doing it for the preservation of their way-of-life, for the glory of Allah, or for the 72 virgins that had been promised them. Oh, Deceiving men is so damn easy. Yah, Yah, give em what they want. Yes indeed. And what does your personal retirement package consist of? Does it come with a money back gurantee? Have you read the fine print? to heaven and that all their closest friends come with them as well so that
[VO]: O6 ? How to detect
Howdy Vorts, Another ozone question .. if O6 is present , is there a double check to make certain it's O6 ? Richard
Re: [Vo]:Emergency Electric Curtailment event in Texas / more bull from Lutz
Mike Carrell wrote: Huge and small are relative. Jed points out that wind farms may total hundreds of megawattts, having hundreds of turbines. More important, they are spread out in arrays many kilometers wide. When the wind slows down in one part of the array it will likely pick up in another. The moving air has to go somewhere. In the days of sailing ships, large naval fleets were able to maneuver as a synchronized group because the wind at sea is usually predictable and consistent over an area as wide as a naval fleet. A sailing ship sometime gets in the way of another one and steals the wind. This is a deliberate tactic in sailboat racing. Wind turbine arrays are carefully planned and spread out over a wide area to prevent this. The economics of power plant construction have favored relatively few very large plants feeding a distribution grid, with consequent vulnerability to plant failure. The plants themselves contain multiple generators which are equivalent to multiple turbines. I believe most large coal and nuclear power plants have 2 to 5 generators, nowhere near as many as a wind farm. Also, all of the generators share the boiler and other equipment in common. If something goes wrong with the boiler, or if it has to be taken down for maintenance, the whole plant goes down. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:A memory of March 1989 and Arthur C. Clarke
Hi Thomas, A couple of additional musings. Is she destined to be a lost lamb for the rest of her miserable life, to eventually burn in hell simply because she walked out on Prager??? I think that her mind was already made up. My point was that Dennis' comments cut her to the quick. It sounds to me like you'd like to believe she walked out because you'd like to believe that Prager's comments ...cut her to the quick. The problem here is that what you'd like to believe happened is never, never, EVER as good a substitute as actually finding out what her real reasons might have been. The world is full of these kinds of assumptions and misunderstandings, and the messes they produce. Jeez! I've lost count the number of times I assumed I knew what my spouse was thinking and feeling, and what a jackass I made of myself assuming that I did know what she had been thinking and feeling. Vice versa too. You seem to believe that you know that Prager's comments cut her to the quick. Think again. Better yet, verify. What happens to your absolute reasoning on this matter if deep down inside somewhere inside of your soul, you begin to acquire even the slightest doubt as to it's absoluteness? It's clear to me that we are up against creatures who are smarter than we are, and as evil as we can imagine. If I'm wrong, we're screwed. I find this quite confusing. It seems to me you're saying we're up against some really bad aliens, or perhaps evil spirits (aka: what I have often called the spawn of Satan's loins). But then in your next sentence you state if you're wrong in your assumptions ...we're screwed. I'll go out on a limb here and speculate that perhaps you did not state your actual convictions as clearly as you had hoped, or that you at least left out some important fiddledebits. From what I can tell we're screwed either way. ... Yah, I'm going to be with my friends in the Kehilat (our congregation), and the streets will be paved with gold. It's not clear to me if you're speaking metaphorically or literally here in regards to the gold pavement - so, please feel free to elucidate me on the matter if you wish. If this is a literal interpretation, I would have to say that viewing gold pavement strikes me personally as just a tad too glitzy. It sounds more like what a recruitment poster would advertise - to increase recruitment quotas. At least the promise of walking on gold pavement is probably not as offensive to half the population as being promised 72 obedient virgins. I find the personal metaphor of sitting down together for a thanksgiving dinner, to feast and swap stories, (like a recounting of the time when Jimmy filled the gas tank of Uncle Jack's Mustang with rocks and water) a much more agreeable way to spend eternity as compared to having earned the privilege of walking over gold pavement. Feel free to dine with us. As always, it's pot luck. I'll put in a good word for you. ;-) To each his own. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Emergency Electric Curtailment event in Texas / more bull from Lutz
In reply to Mike Carrell's message of Wed, 26 Mar 2008 09:48:25 -0400: Hi, [snip] What is fundamentally different is that in the conventional system, the AC rotating machines are locked in synchronism with the 60 Hz grid, and if any one falls out of synch, destruction will follow. With wind turbines this need not happen. [snip] If the national grid were DC iso AC, then synchronization problems would be inherently non-existent. Any form of power source could contribute, with conversion from AC to DC taking place locally on the supply end, and conversion from DC to AC taking place at substations on the receiving end. It would also have the advantage of more efficient long distance transport. Of course, it would no longer provide 60 Hz synchronization of clocks, but this is easily overcome by allowing the substations to use crystal controlled oscillators, synchronized via the Internet. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk The shrub is a plant.
[Vo]:Re: Emergency Electric Curtailment event in Texas / more bull from Lutz
Is there anything in the grid proper (i.e. excluding converters at supply and receiving ends) that makes it inherently AC? If not, it would make sense to convert the whole system to DC, if only because root(2) more rms voltage would be allowed, i.e. 57% more power could be carried by the same lines for the same allowed current i.e. the same allowed ohmic losses. Michel - Original Message - From: Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Emergency Electric Curtailment event in Texas / more bull from Lutz In reply to Mike Carrell's message of Wed, 26 Mar 2008 09:48:25 -0400: Hi, [snip] What is fundamentally different is that in the conventional system, the AC rotating machines are locked in synchronism with the 60 Hz grid, and if any one falls out of synch, destruction will follow. With wind turbines this need not happen. [snip] If the national grid were DC iso AC, then synchronization problems would be inherently non-existent. Any form of power source could contribute, with conversion from AC to DC taking place locally on the supply end, and conversion from DC to AC taking place at substations on the receiving end. It would also have the advantage of more efficient long distance transport. Of course, it would no longer provide 60 Hz synchronization of clocks, but this is easily overcome by allowing the substations to use crystal controlled oscillators, synchronized via the Internet. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk The shrub is a plant.
[Vo]:Re: Emergency Electric Curtailment event in Texas / more bull from Lutz
Oops I meant 41% (root 2 - 1), sorry. Michel - Original Message - From: Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 10:23 PM Subject: [Vo]:Re: Emergency Electric Curtailment event in Texas / more bull from Lutz Is there anything in the grid proper (i.e. excluding converters at supply and receiving ends) that makes it inherently AC? If not, it would make sense to convert the whole system to DC, if only because root(2) more rms voltage would be allowed, i.e. 57% more power could be carried by the same lines for the same allowed current i.e. the same allowed ohmic losses. Michel - Original Message - From: Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Emergency Electric Curtailment event in Texas / more bull from Lutz In reply to Mike Carrell's message of Wed, 26 Mar 2008 09:48:25 -0400: Hi, [snip] What is fundamentally different is that in the conventional system, the AC rotating machines are locked in synchronism with the 60 Hz grid, and if any one falls out of synch, destruction will follow. With wind turbines this need not happen. [snip] If the national grid were DC iso AC, then synchronization problems would be inherently non-existent. Any form of power source could contribute, with conversion from AC to DC taking place locally on the supply end, and conversion from DC to AC taking place at substations on the receiving end. It would also have the advantage of more efficient long distance transport. Of course, it would no longer provide 60 Hz synchronization of clocks, but this is easily overcome by allowing the substations to use crystal controlled oscillators, synchronized via the Internet. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk The shrub is a plant.
[Vo]:Two new papers on the radiation reported by Storms
Ed says it is: Storms, E. and B. Scanlan. Radiation produced by glow discharge in a deuterium containing gas (Part 2). in American Physical Society Meeting. 2008. New Orleans. http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StormsEradiationpa.pdf Rick says maybe not: Cantwell, R. Partial Replication of Storms/Scanlan Glow Discharge Radiation. in ICCF-14 International Conference on Condensed Matter Nuclear Science. 2008. Washington, DC. http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/CantwellRpartialrep.pdf You be the judge. And remember, you read it here first, months before the conference! Also, an overview of Rick's research: Cantwell, R. Update on results as Coolescence, LLC (PowerPoint slides). in 8th International Workshop on Anomalies in Hydrogen / Deuterium Loaded Metals. 2007. Sicily, Italy. http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/CantwellRupdateonre.pdf - Jed
[Vo]:OFF TOPIC The Navy says this isn't safe
I agree! See scary yet hilarious photo of VW Beetle with ATV strapped to roof: http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/ - Jed
RE: [Vo]:Emergency Electric Curtailment event in Texas / more bull from Lutz
Jeff Fink wrote: I was heavily involved with power station design from 1970 to 1983 for oil fired, coal fired and nuclear. I have never encountered a design where multiple turbine generators share a common boiler or reactor. That configuration must be quite rare. Ah. No doubt I was mistaken about that, then. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Re: Emergency Electric Curtailment event in Texas / more bull from Lutz
In reply to Mike Carrell's message of Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:26:32 -0400: Hi, [snip] Current practice is thanve local feeds down the street at a few kilovolts with pole transformers every block or so to convert to house uasge. Curiously, this system uses an earth return on the high voltage side of the transformer. With a good grounding rod, the earth resistance is about 50 ohms, I think. Although somwhat lossy, it is cheaper than running more copper to the transformers. [snip] I didn't suggest replacing this portion of the grid. Just that portion between the generators and the substations. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk The shrub is a plant.
