[Vo]:Re: OT: Numbers and cucumbers
--- Michael Foster wrote: That's a very informative analysis, Richard. Thanks. Indeed it is ! Prior to reading this, I had this kind of vague and uncomfortable feeling that something funny was going on- but could not put a finger on it. Now I want to know more! I mean there have been so few actual foreclosures relative tho the claimed losses and an actual foreclosure often results in minimal real losses to the lender after resale. This is truly one of the most suspicious things to happen lately at high levels - on a par with WMD... and it is indicative of a system that is rotten to the core... not just a banking system either. Goldman is almost a second government, no? Look at the musical chairs arrangement of personnel with Treasury. Jones
Re: [Vo]:Re: OT: Numbers and cucumbers
Time is running out for taking advantage of the Bush adminstration. Harry On 3/4/2008 9:05 AM, Jones Beene wrote: --- Michael Foster wrote: That's a very informative analysis, Richard. Thanks. Indeed it is ! Prior to reading this, I had this kind of vague and uncomfortable feeling that something funny was going on- but could not put a finger on it. Now I want to know more! I mean there have been so few actual foreclosures relative tho the claimed losses and an actual foreclosure often results in minimal real losses to the lender after resale. This is truly one of the most suspicious things to happen lately at high levels - on a par with WMD... and it is indicative of a system that is rotten to the core... not just a banking system either. Goldman is almost a second government, no? Look at the musical chairs arrangement of personnel with Treasury. Jones
[Vo]:Algae: 'The ultimate in renewable energy'
Jones wrote: Locating and owning optimum sites for algae farming could replace exploration and drilling. While they wouldn't be the same sort of refineries, oil company engineers could do what they do best, designing and implementing the large scale chemical processing plants that give us our present petroleum products. Let's face it. These guys are really good at pumping and chemically transforming huge amounts of liquid and gaseous stuff. Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: I agree. One would think that algoil refineries would be right up their alley. I hope some junior oil exec is doing his best to plant the seeds of corporate expansion. Exxon-Algoil. If it's good enough for our stock holders, it's good enough for Independent Republic of Texas. Hi All, At least Shell is giving it a try. Jack Smith JOINT PRESS RELEASE from Shell Oil and HR Biopetroleum, 12-11-07, by WEBWIRE http://www.webwire.com/ViewPressRel.asp?aId=54866 ``Shell and HR Biopetroleum build facility to grow algae for biofuel Royal Dutch Shell plc [limited liability company] and HR Biopetroleum today announced the construction of a pilot facility in Hawaii to grow marine algae and produce vegetable oil for conversion into biofuel. The announcement is a further step in Shell's ongoing effort to develop a new generation of biofuels using sustainable, non-food raw materials. Algae hold great promise because they grow very rapidly, are rich in vegetable oil and can be cultivated in ponds of seawater, minimising the use of fertile land and fresh water. Shell and HR Biopetroleum have formed a joint venture company, called Cellana, to develop this project, with Shell taking the majority share. Construction of the demonstration facility on the Kona coast of Hawaii Island will begin immediately. The site, leased from the Natural Energy Laboratory of Hawaii Authority (NELHA), is near existing commercial algae enterprises, primarily serving the pharmaceutical and nutrition industries. The facility will grow only non-modified, marine microalgae species in open-air ponds using proprietary technology. Algae strains used will be indigenous to Hawaii or approved by the Hawaii Department of Agriculture. Protection of the local environment and marine ecosystem has been central to facility design. Once the algae are harvested, the vegetable oil will be extracted. The facility's small production volumes will be used for testing. An academic research programme will support the project, screening natural microalgae species to determine which ones produce the highest yields and the most vegetable oil. The programme will include scientists from the Universities of Hawaii, Southern Mississippi and Dalhousie, in Nova Scotia, Canada. An advantage of algae is their rapid growth. They can double their mass several times a day and produce at least 15 times more oil per hectare than alternatives such as rape, palm soya or jatropha. Moreover, facilities can be built on coastal land unsuitable for conventional agriculture. Over the long term, algae cultivation facilities also have the potential to absorb or `capture' waste CO2 directly from industrial facilities such as power plants. The Cellana demonstration will use bottled CO2 to explore this potential. Algae have great potential as a sustainable feedstock for production of diesel-type fuels with a very small CO2 footprint, said Graeme Sweeney, Shell Executive Vice President Future Fuels and CO2. This demonstration will be an important test of the technology and, critically, of commercial viability. HR Biopetroleum's proven technology provides a solid platform for commercial development and potential deployment worldwide, Mark Huntley, HR Biopetroleum Chief Science Officer said. Shell's expertise and commitment to next generation biofuels complements our own strengths, and makes this a truly collaborative partnership. http://www.shell.com/aboutshell http://www.HRbiopetroleum.com
Re: [Vo]:Algae: 'The ultimate in renewable energy'
For the record the insight about the Oil Industry getting into the Algoil act, and probably converting it into their net big growth industry so to speak, as if they invented the idea ... came from Michael not me. But I agree with it wholeheartedly and will soon induct MJ into our bulging chapter of Cynics Anonymous...
[Vo]:O3 via GaN UV LEDs
A cheap power LED array engineered to shine at 285 nm UV would get part way to making O3 in situ referring to earlier discussion. GaN may be the appropriate LED material. Aloha, Charlie
Re: [Vo]:O3 via GaN UV LEDs
Thanks for the tip Charles, we are interested. The idea of an array of LEDs meets one ot the design themes for encompassing a vortex without disturbing the physics behind it. We have been testing some spiral shapes in the form of thin gauge spiral wire springs that hold the possibility of avoiding upsetting the vortex while being located within. Thinking about tiny arrays of LED tuned to UV spectrum give me a thrill. A cheap power LED array engineered to shine at 285 nm UV would get part way to making O3 in situ referring to earlier discussion. GaN may be the appropriate LED material. Aloha, Charlie -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.5/1357 - Release Date: 4/3/2008 10:48 AM
[Vo]:Re: Algae: 'The ultimate in renewable energy'
I do like algoil Jones, I just don't share your skepticism about Nanosolar, and it looks as if I am not the only Frenchman in this case, see: http://www.businessgreen.com/business-green/news/2213340/edf-ploughs-50m-nanosolar EDF ploughs $50m into Nanosolar Energy giant joins Google founders in backing US developer of low-cost solar panels... A case of no prophet accepted in his own country? ;-) Michel - Original Message - From: Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Algae: 'The ultimate in renewable energy' For the record the insight about the Oil Industry getting into the Algoil act, and probably converting it into their net big growth industry so to speak, as if they invented the idea ... came from Michael not me. But I agree with it wholeheartedly and will soon induct MJ into our bulging chapter of Cynics Anonymous...
Re: [Vo]:Re: OT: Numbers and cucumbers
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Thu, 3 Apr 2008 07:05:44 -0700 (PDT): Hi, Whenever the people start to make actual headway, the currency is devalued to the point that they are put back in their place. ;^) Most of the support being provided by the Fed. is created out of whole cloth if I'm not mistaken. IOW, they just print more money. This is the very definition of inflation if I'm not mistaken. In this case, not only is the populace being made poorer through devaluation of the currency, but the printed money is being handed openly to the wealthy elite responsible for making a fast buck and causing the problem in the first place. It's all so very Ferengi (one from you, two for me, one from you, two for me...), you almost have to admire the audacity of it. Of course if people really caught on, there would be an old fashioned lynching (...of the scapegoat of course ;). [snip] Indeed it is ! Prior to reading this, I had this kind of vague and uncomfortable feeling that something funny was going on- but could not put a finger on it. Now I want to know more! I mean there have been so few actual foreclosures relative tho the claimed losses and an actual foreclosure often results in minimal real losses to the lender after resale. This is truly one of the most suspicious things to happen lately at high levels - on a par with WMD... and it is indicative of a system that is rotten to the core... not just a banking system either. Goldman is almost a second government, no? Look at the musical chairs arrangement of personnel with Treasury. Jones Regards, Robin van Spaandonk The shrub is a plant.
[Vo]:[Vo] Re: Heretical biology: video!
On Tue, 1 Apr 2008, Michael Foster wrote: --- William Beaty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder if the structure is easy to detect. For example, if you shine a red laser through ultra-pure water, you can see the beam, since it's scattered by nano-crystallites which are part of water's short-range structure. Polarizing the water might alter the visible pattern? Yes, you can see a difference in the scatter when water or other polar solvent is subjected to a strong electric field. I just heard that there are other simple demonstrations! See the descriptions on this page: Liquid crystalline water discovered at interfaces http://www.i-sis.org.uk/liquidCrystallineWater.php And here's a 1-hour lecture on UW video by Dr. Pollack: Water, Energy, and Life: Fresh Views From the Water's Edge, Dr. Gerald Pollack http://www.uwtv.org/programs/displayevent.aspx?rID=2fID=497 (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3138unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:Algae: 'The ultimate in renewable energy'
Oops ... My Bad ... For the record the insight about the Oil Industry getting into the Algoil act ... came from Michael Foster ... but we have several openings in CA (Cynics Anonymous) for anyone who resembles god ;-) I will let one of the resemblers finish that thought...
[Vo]:Driving the Wind
Vo, A few of you may find this Article, about our past work applying the use of wind energy to power a vehicle down the freeway, of interest. http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/partner/story?id=52068 Cheers, Mark
Re: [Vo]:Algae: 'The ultimate in renewable energy'
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Thu, 3 Apr 2008 15:02:37 -0700 (PDT): Hi, [snip] Oops ... My Bad ... For the record the insight about the Oil Industry getting into the Algoil act ... came from Michael Foster ... but we have several openings in CA (Cynics Anonymous) for anyone who resembles god ;-) How do you know whether or not someone resembles God? :) I will let one of the resemblers finish that thought... Regards, Robin van Spaandonk The shrub is a plant.
[Vo]:Re: OT: Numbers and cucumbers
Sanders: Cap Runaway Interest Rates -- 04/03/2008 The Senate on Thursday took up legislation to address foreclosures and other problems related to what some have called the worst housing slump since the Great Depression. The bill could be approved by the Senate as early as this week after Senator Bernie Sanders and others offer amendments to improve the compromise measure. Sanders said he would propose a cap on interest rates that banks and credit card companies may charge. Given the severe problems in the housing market and credit card interest rates which are as high as 30 percent, the time is long overdue for Congress to say enough is enough, Sanders said. We must put a cap on the amount of interest that mortgage companies, banks and credit card companies can charge their customers, and I intend to introduce legislation to do just that. The Sanders measure would outlaw interest charges of more than 14 percent if it were in force today. The adjustable cap would be pegged to the interest rate that the Internal Revenue Service charges late income tax filers, a rate that may fluctuate every three months. Sanders' proposal is patterned on Republican-sponsored legislation that won overwhelming Senate approval in 1991, but never became law. At the time, then Senator Alfonse D'Amato sponsored the bill that drew strong bipartisan backing. The problem is even more severe today, Sanders said. A recent report found that one-third of all credit card holders in this country are paying interest rates above 20 percent and as high as 41 percent - more than double what they paid in interest in 1990. Between 1989 and 2006, Americans' overall credit card debt grew by 315 percent from $211 billion to $876 billion. One-third of low- and middle-income families reported going into credit card debt to pay for rent, utilities, and food in 2006. That same year Americans charged $51 billion worth of fast food on their credit cards, a 29-fold increase since 2001. As a result, credit card companies raked in $90.1 billion in interest in 2006 alone. Even worse, the Center for Responsible Lending found that some American consumers are paying interest rates for payday loans as high as 800 percent. The home mortgage meltdown has aggravated the credit card crisis. As hundreds of thousands of American home owners fall behind on their mortgage payments, more people are turning to short-term loans with sky-high interest rates just to get by, the Reuters news service recently reported. Evidence from nonprofit credit and mortgage counselors suggests that the number of people using these so-called pay day loans is growing as the U.S. housing crisis deepens, a negative sign for economic recovery. A recent front page story in USA Today drove home the link between home mortgages and credit card debts: Even as the Federal Reserve has aggressively slashed short-term interest rates, banks are raising rates on credit cards. The Federal Reserve has slashed key interest rates five times from a high of 5.25 percent down to 2.25 percent. Credit card interest rates should be going down, not up. Interest rates for payday loans should be going down, not up. Mortgage interest rates should be going down, not up. Under current law, credit card companies are able to raise interest rates at any time for any reason. That's exactly what Bank of America did, according to a recent Businessweek article. Bank of America sent letters notifying some responsible cardholders that it would more than double their rates to as high as 28 percent, without giving an explanation for the increase. Fine print at the end of the letter advised calling an 800-number for the reason, but consumers who called say they were unable to get a clear answer. What's striking is how arbitrary the Bank of America rate increases appear, credit industry experts say. The Sanders Amendment faces formidable opposition. In 2006, the top five credit card companies - JPMorgan Chase, Bank of America, Citibank, Capital One, and HSBC - made $8.5 million in congressional campaign contributions. They will be doing everything they can to defeat his amendment.
Re: [Vo]:Algae: 'The ultimate in renewable energy'
On Thursday 03 April 2008 21:33, Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to Jones Beene's message of Thu, 3 Apr 2008 15:02:37 -0700 (PDT): Hi, [snip] Oops ... My Bad ... For the record the insight about the Oil Industry getting into the Algoil act ... came from Michael Foster ... but we have several openings in CA (Cynics Anonymous) for anyone who resembles god ;-) How do you know whether or not someone resembles God? :) I will let one of the resemblers finish that thought... Regards, Robin van Spaandonk The shrub is a plant. Resembles god? Sounds like the controversy about the cartoons that the mohammedans do not like. Trouble is, nobody knows just what the dude looked like in life. Given that those footwashers don't believe in pictures of their worshipees [no idols = excuse for not knowing]. So any likeness would do if someone said it was whatever. One could draw a picture of a velociraptor and call it the profit or whatever and no one would be able to prove it was or was not him. The Christians among us do not even know what Jesus looked like, and there are many, many likenesses of him in just about every church on the planet. My Mormon church has pictures of him as an over six foot blond guy with blue or grey eyes. You know, just the kind of dude you would find as a middle eastern Jewish carpenter.
Re: [Vo]:Stupid Academic stunt
On Thursday 03 April 2008 00:35, thomas malloy wrote: Jed commented LENR opponents are stupid I replied They can't be that stupid, they must have an agenda. Then I sent the letter below, and got the following reply. I'm afraid that Jed is right, they really are stupid. Dr. Krauss gave a speech at the Atheist Conference in which he went on about the big bang happening spontaneously, presumably out of the ZPE, but he can't see how we could extract any energy out of it. BTW, Dr. Krauss was the department chairman. Lawrence Krauss wrote: Thanks here is my comment, intelligent or otherwise: This work stands somewhat below a belief in god as far as credibility is concerned. :) Best MLK Lawrence Krauss Ambrose Swasey Professor of Physics and Astronomy and Director, Center for Education and Research in Cosmology and Astrophysics Case Western Reserve University Sent from my iPhone On Mar 31, 2008, at 3:38 PM, thomas malloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Dr. Krauss; I missed you at the Atheist Conference. I'm part of a group that discusses scientific anomalies. A new source of energy is a frequent topic. Several physicists, including Puthoff and Rauch, have theorized that it might be possible to cohere the Zero Point Energy. While many researchers have claimed to have done it, there is little detectable energy.Then there are the researchers have contended that it is possible to produce low energy nuclear reactions. Then there are the claims of Randall Mills of Black Light Power. We are looking for people who share these interests and can make intelligent comments about them. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http:// www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- Like to see Randall Mills' black light rocket as a real space propulsion enabler, but have a feeling that behind the gibberish in Marchese's final report about Ballmer lines is a fact that the rocket when properly operated tends to burn up or melt its engine. Just a guess but my gut tells me that I am not too far off the mark. No report of thrust in kilonewtons or thousands of pounds force was given, but something that burns in the ultraviolet and soft x-rays just has got to have thrust. Now if the heating problem can be managed. Standing Bear just maybe we can have a real shuttle for a change
