[Vo]:Re: Driving the Wind
Nice! As a historical note, land sailing has been practiced for quite some time over here, see attached picture. Michel - Original Message - From: Mark Goldes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 1:33 AM Subject: [Vo]:Driving the Wind http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/partner/story?id=52068 attachment: 1649_landsailer.jpg
[VO]: Re: Ben Ladin Trades
Howdy Vorts. As a 12 year old kid, I went to the carnival and got suckered by the guy with the 3 walnut shells and the pea. 2 bits a guess what shell the pea was under.. 2 bucks later I stopped playing cuz I figured out the pea was being palmed in the crook of the guy's little finger. So.. what if .. the ben ladin trades were simply a variation of the ole shell game' ... plus a little innovation using the magicians sparkler waving in front of your face. The stock market has been :made to bounce a few hundred points every couple days.. but.. the trend is down from the highs. Somebody can make some real money on the spread,,, provided they have a ringer in the audience like an auctioneer. A perfect ringer can be a false flag created by a ben ladin type trade. Somebody out there has a deck of marked cards. They may be same guys behind the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank. Please don't blow smoke by trying to tell me the Fed doesn't know who executed the ben ladin trades and they can't stop them. Had a younger CPA friend tell me the other day he was getting out of one of the huge big 4 accounting firms cuz these firms were gonna be the designated fall guys like Arthur Anderson with Enron. The next day I read KPMG was being investigated. The Fed has developed the habit of falling on their back and speading their legs way to soon for me. But like the Carnival slick that took my 2 bucks said.. don't ever play the other man's game and never dance to the other gals tune. Richard
Re: [Vo]:Stupid Academic stunt
- Original Message - From: Standing Bear [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com snip Like to see Randall Mills' black light rocket as a real space propulsion enabler, but have a feeling that behind the gibberish in Marchese's final report about Ballmer lines is a fact that the rocket when properly operated tends to burn up or melt its engine. Just a guess but my gut tells me that I am not too far off the mark. No report of thrust in kilonewtons or thousands of pounds force was given, but something that burns in the ultraviolet and soft x-rays just has got to have thrust. Now if the heating problem can be managed. MC: My understanding of the Rowan work was that they had $75,000 for a phase 1 project and worked their tails off trying to set up the necessary experiment, including buying laboratory vacuum gear off of eBay. They were looking for critical spectral lines in the glare of the lines from hot hydrogen when they ran out of money. They wanted to measure thrust directly, but did not have the funds and NASA declined to fund a Phase 2 project. The useful force can be small for a deep space probe: what counts is very high velocity gas output applied continually over extended periods, as in an ion thruster. Standing Bear is rilght, somesthing as energetic as the BLP reaction *should* be valuable for a deep space thruster, but that particular experiment did not make the grade. When Mills' work becomes more accepted, perhaps this application can be revisited. Mike Carrell This Email has been scanned for all viruses by Medford Leas I.T. Department.
Re: [Vo]:[Vo] Re: Heretical biology: video!
--- On Thu, 4/3/08, William Beaty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just heard that there are other simple demonstrations! See the descriptions on this page: Liquid crystalline water discovered at interfaces http://www.i-sis.org.uk/liquidCrystallineWater.php And here's a 1-hour lecture on UW video by Dr. Pollack: Water, Energy, and Life: Fresh Views From the Water's Edge, Dr. Gerald Pollack http://www.uwtv.org/programs/displayevent.aspx?rID=2fID=497 I don't have the book yet. If the solute exclusion zone (EZ) near the surface of a gel is structured as described in the lecture video, then it should be optically anisotropic and visibly detectable with polarized light. Does the book say anything about that? M. You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com
RE: [Vo]:Stupid Academic stunt
-Original Message- From: Standing Bear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 April 2008 05:58 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Stupid Academic stunt Like to see Randall Mills' black light rocket as a real space propulsion enabler, but have a feeling that behind the gibberish in Marchese's final report about Ballmer lines is a fact that the rocket when properly operated tends to burn up or melt its engine. Just a guess but my gut tells me that I am not too far off the mark. No report of thrust in kilonewtons or thousands of pounds force was given, but something that burns in the ultraviolet and soft x-rays just has got to have thrust. Now if the heating problem can be managed. I'm a little out of touch, I've not been reading my vortex mail. What's the current situation with Randall Mills' work? Is he still in business? Joe
[Vo]:The Farrah interview
Joseph Farrah was interviewed on C to C AM this morning. Dr. Farrah has a PhD in physics from Oxford. He talked about torsion tensor theory. He contends that Einstein believed that it was a suitable replacement for general relativity. There was an attempt to unify the geometry of gravity, with the geometry of electromagnetism. The physicist Khron contended that The torsion tensor is Dr. Farrah believes that the torsion tensor is analogous to a soda can which is twisted, he believes this is analogous to the universe. Dr. Farrah's books are available on his website, http://www.gizadeathstar.com/ . Some of his conclusions place him in the category of fringe science. One of his fringe ideas is that the Nazi's had UFO's. I've often recounted my comment on the matter, If the Nazis had all these amazing machines, why did they loose the war? Yes, some Nazi scientists, the most famous of which was Werner Van Braun, were integrated into the American scientific establishment. However, IMHO, if the Germans had had technology that was that advanced, we'd be sprecken ze deutch. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:Stupid Academic stunt
In reply to Dr Josef Karthauser's message of Fri, 4 Apr 2008 18:12:51 +0100: Hi Joe, [snip] I'm a little out of touch, I've not been reading my vortex mail. What's the current situation with Randall Mills' work? Is he still in business? Joe You can find his website at www.blacklightpower.com Regards, Robin van Spaandonk The shrub is a plant.
Re: [Vo]:Stupid Academic stunt
In reply to Mike Carrell's message of Fri, 4 Apr 2008 13:05:57 -0400: Hi, [snip] MC: My understanding of the Rowan work was that they had $75,000 for a phase 1 project and worked their tails off trying to set up the necessary experiment, including buying laboratory vacuum gear off of eBay. They were looking for critical spectral lines in the glare of the lines from hot hydrogen when they ran out of money. They wanted to measure thrust directly, but did not have the funds and NASA declined to fund a Phase 2 project. The useful force can be small for a deep space probe: what counts is very high velocity gas output applied continually over extended periods, as in an ion thruster. Standing Bear is rilght, somesthing as energetic as the BLP reaction *should* be valuable for a deep space thruster, but that particular experiment did not make the grade. When Mills' work becomes more accepted, perhaps this application can be revisited. Mike Carrell [snip] From their report, I got the impression that their results were minimal at best. This doesn't surprise me, as they used neon as the catalyst. They could hardly have made a worse choice, and I told them so. In reply they said that they did this in consultation with BLP. Reading between the lines, I got the impression that Mills had just discovered that neon could work as a catalyst, and was happy to have someone else pay the expense of an experiment to see how well it worked. The ionization energy of Ne+ is 40.962 eV. At the time Mills tried to cobble together an explanation where this matched the total energy lost by H in dropping to the H[n=1/2] (which it does - almost), however that contradicts his own theory where the energy hole has to be a multiple of 27.2 eV. It makes much more sense that neon only works as a catalyst in a three body reaction:- Ne+ + Ne+ + H = Ne++ + Ne++ + H[n=1/4] (2 * 40.962 = 81.924, which is close to the m=3 catalyst value - 81.6 eV). However this reaction is a poor choice for several reasons:- 1) The first ionization energy of Ne is 21.5645 eV, which is higher than that of Hydrogen, so Ne+ is continually being reduced to Ne by the Hydrogen, which makes Ne+ (the catalyst ion) scarce in the plasma. 2) It's a three body reaction, which means that you need two of those scarce Ne+ ions concurrently to make it work. 3) When you do get two Ne+ ions together with an H atom, one of them is more likely to steal an electron from the H atom, than the pair is to trigger shrinkage. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://users.bigpond.net.au/rvanspaa/ Competition (capitalism) provides the motivation, Cooperation (communism) provides the means.
Re: [Vo]:Stupid Academic stunt
- Original Message - From: Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regarding Rowan's work: snip From their report, I got the impression that their results were minimal at best. This doesn't surprise me, as they used neon as the catalyst. They could hardly have made a worse choice, and I told them so. In reply they said that they did this in consultation with BLP. Reading between the lines, I got the impression that Mills had just discovered that neon could work as a catalyst, and was happy to have someone else pay the expense of an experiment to see how well it worked. The ionization energy of Ne+ is 40.962 eV. At the time Mills tried to cobble together an explanation where this matched the total energy lost by H in dropping to the H[n=1/2] (which it does - almost), however that contradicts his own theory where the energy hole has to be a multiple of 27.2 eV. It makes much more sense that neon only works as a catalyst in a three body reaction:- Ne+ + Ne+ + H = Ne++ + Ne++ + H[n=1/4] (2 * 40.962 = 81.924, which is close to the m=3 catalyst value - 81.6 eV). However this reaction is a poor choice for several reasons:- 1) The first ionization energy of Ne is 21.5645 eV, which is higher than that of Hydrogen, so Ne+ is continually being reduced to Ne by the Hydrogen, which makes Ne+ (the catalyst ion) scarce in the plasma. 2) It's a three body reaction, which means that you need two of those scarce Ne+ ions concurrently to make it work. 3) When you do get two Ne+ ions together with an H atom, one of them is more likely to steal an electron from the H atom, than the pair is to trigger shrinkage. MC: Robin makes good points, and I have no more details than I have stated. Recent careful perusal of Mills' text suggests that the essence is the multiples of 27.2 eV, by any means, and allowing some contrilbution from kenetic energy. Multiple bodies and multiple states of ionization can all work. This suggests that rt catalysis is a natural phenomenon to be found wherever possible if you know how and where to look. Arguably, hydrino reactions may the source of excess heat in LENR experiments. MC: As I dig into the new material on the BLP website, it looks as Mills is finally positioned for commercial development. His 'solid' fuel when heated releases H and K3+, apprently in mutual proximity. The rt catalysis yields H(1/4) with a potential of 435 eV instead of 27.2 eV. This gives an energy surplus to regenerate the catalyst, electrolyze water, and run a steam turbine. Mike Carrell Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://users.bigpond.net.au/rvanspaa/ Competition (capitalism) provides the motivation, Cooperation (communism) provides the means. This Email has been scanned for all viruses by Medford Leas I.T. Department.
