Re: [Vo]:Where's the beef? was: Stupid Academic stunt
Jones Beene wrote: --- Terry Blanton wrote: I'm sure all you have to do is go back and look to the people that handed over the first $20M. However, presently, since there are no apparent working prototypes from companies like AEI, who have an immediate commercial interest and are located only minutes away from the BLP facility - it appears to this unbiased observer that we are back to the energy corollary of the Fermi Paradox... which is really just another way of saying where's the beef ? I visited the BLP website. I noticed the picture of what looks like an oil refinery retort. The website gives the impression that the BLP technology is ready to go to on the grid. OTOH, Mills has always intimated that, and AFAIK, they are no where near to doing that. I'm reminded of the tri necked glass retort with the beautiful purple glow that they had on there, along with the contention that it was producing energy at the same concentration as in ICE. What is beyond dispute is that BLP has spent a lot of money on the lab equipment in the pictures. OTOH, perhaps they did it the same way that the producers of that movie on C F (Critical Mass?), did it. They made Professor Susslick an offer he couldn't refuse on some junk lab equipment. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
[Vo]:re: dumb academic stunt
I see Mills has hydrino metals, hydrino power, hydrino rocket motors, hydrino study groups, and hydrino papers. The problem is; ?there is no such thing as a hydrino.? Noone one has any except Mills.? Mills has them all!?? Spwar has something.? That is a real start. What is the former CEO of Westinghouse doing on?the Blacklight?board of directors? I'm now here in Pittsburgh PA at Emerson Electric.? I am doing a factory acceptance test on a distributed controls system.? This Emerson location is a spin off of Westinghouse Technology.? The Ovation computer technology? is good stuff. I went to?see the ?VP here at this location.? I asked him about the former CEO of Westinghouse being at BlackLight. Perhops I will find out something. Frank Znidarsic
Re: [Vo]:Where's the beef? was: Stupid Academic stunt
Thomas wrote, However, presently, since there are no apparent working prototypes What is beyond dispute is that BLP has spent a lot of money.. Howdy Thomas, Well.. err.. let's observe it was BLP that spent a lot of AEI et al's money. Back in the late '50's I invested in a deal like this.. took me two years to finally get the notion I bought a pig in the poke. Ole story of the East Texas coon dog that had romance on his mind but 'nery a female dog in Crocket county he noticed a pretty girl skunk started looking better every night.. so one time he gave it a try.. and after.. he told her.. I'll admit it was fun while it lasted... but.. whew! I've had about all of this I can take. Some catch the smell on the fly, some get a good wiff as they get together.. and some have no nose for it. For sure Herb Kellerer with Southwest Airlines had a clothspin on his nose as he listened at the Congressional hearing and watched the FAA guy testify in tears about how he was threatened into silence. Ole Herb must have smelled that skunk as he likely wondered about flight 800 and the job the FAA did on the investigation,, no tears that time.. still no tears.. but.. if you ever run over a skunk ya better not park yur car in the garage for awhile. Richard
Re: [Vo]:re: dumb academic stunt
Frank Z wrote, I asked him about the former CEO of Westinghouse being at BlackLight. Perhops I will find out something. Howdy Frank, Westinghouse had talent and people knee deep back until the early '70's .. so,, they dumped the brains for tricks and tried to corner the market for enriched uranium. Poof ! ...went Westinghouse's cards. Same happened to Bear Stearns.. fast money, fast markets, fast fall. But when yur playing poker with sumbuddy else's money.. who cares. Richard
Re: [Vo]:Which are the new results at BLP?
This must be what everyone is talking about. The description of the power plant is rather nebulous. The section gets off on the wrong foot with this statement: Atomic hydrogen ordinarily has a stable electronic state that is much higher in energy than allowed by thermodynamic laws. Even if you believe that you can violate the laws of thermodynamics, you shouldn't say so in the first sentence. This part gives me a headache: BlackLight intends to incrementally pursue commercial development of power plants of all useful scales. This will be done through a combination of internal engineering and development, external consultants and outsourcing, licensed joint ventures and acquisition of engineering and design companies. BlackLight intends to own an interest in power production businesses at the distributed and central power station scale (see Licensing Strategy). BlackLight anticipates contracting for turnkey plants to be built and operated by architect and engineering firms and original equipment manufacturers. I have said it before, and I'll say it again: this notion of incremental commercial development masterminded by Mills makes about as much sense as letting the Wright brothers mastermind the development of airplanes, or putting Martin Fleischmann in charge of cold fusion. The Wrights wanted delay, delay and delay, and Martin told me that in 1989 he wanted another five years of secrecy -- peace and quiet, in other words -- before revealing the process. Blacklight power has taken 20 years so far, and at the pace they are moving it will take another 20 years. If the airplane had been developed at this rate of progress, the first public demonstration of flight would have been after 1933, and the first practical airplane would have been scheduled for 1953. This is lunacy. If their claims have any merit, and they can demonstrate the effect on any scale large enough to be measured with confidence, they could have every qualified laboratory on earth working frantically on this discovery in 6 months. That's what happened after the Wrights were finally forced to go public in 1908. - Jed
[Vo]:Which are the new results at BLP?
I have not been following events at BlacklightPower. It is unclear to me which part of the web site, or which paper, reports the progress being discussed here about solid fuel. The What's New section does not describe any recent technical progress as far as I can tell. Is this the new stuff? Under Applications Development it says: http://www.blacklightpower.com/applications.shtml#BlackLightPowerPlants BlackLight Power has recently achieved a breakthrough in power generation . . . There is no date. How recent is recent? Or are we talking about this paper? Mills, R., et al., Catalysis of atomic hydrogen to new hydrides as a new power source, Int. J. Global Energy Issues, Vol. 28, Nos. 2/3, 2007 http://www.blacklightpower.com/papers/IJGEI_28(2-3)_Paper_12.pdf It is the most recent one. - Jed
[Vo]:New York Times energy The Energy Challenge
The Times has some good articles about conventional alternative energy, A Series, The Energy Challenge. Index to articles here: http://www.nytimes.com/ref/science/earth/energy.html I mentioned this one before: Move Over, Oil, There's Money in Texas Wind http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/23/business/23wind.html Here is a good article on solar thermal: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/06/business/06solar.html - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Which are the new results at BLP?
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: Atomic hydrogen ordinarily has a stable electronic state that is much higher in energy than allowed by thermodynamic laws. Even if you believe that you can violate the laws of thermodynamics, you shouldn't say so in the first sentence. Actually, it says that the laws of thermodynamics allow one to go below the ground state. In that case it is badly phrased. [M]uch higher than allowed by . . . sounds like the author thinks the laws of thermodynamics will not allow this to happen. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Which are the new results at BLP?
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:58:32 -0400: Hi, [snip] This must be what everyone is talking about. The description of the power plant is rather nebulous. The section gets off on the wrong foot with this statement: Atomic hydrogen ordinarily has a stable electronic state that is much higher in energy than allowed by thermodynamic laws. Even if you believe that you can violate the laws of thermodynamics, you shouldn't say so in the first sentence. Actually, it says that the laws of thermodynamics allow one to go below the ground state. [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk The shrub is a plant.
[Vo]:Magnetic pressure and magnetic temperature
Hi Magnetic pressure is a well known concept. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_pressure It struck me then that other concepts must be applicable to magnetism too like temperature. And there should also be electric pressure and temperature. The magnetic pressure Pm=B^2/2ยต0 shourld vary on particle scale just as kinetic energy does in a gas. David
[Vo]:Simpler Biodiesel
Fred Sparber alerted me to the following patent: US# 4,557,734 now expired http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2Sect2=HITOFFp=1u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.htmlr=14f=Gl=50co1=ANDd=PTXTs1=4451267OS=4451267RS=4451267 Which is in the public domain and which teaches a method of minimal processing for raw vegetable oil, or perhaps even raw oil-algae... in which the simple emulsification, or possibly sonication with water and alcohol and a cheap emulsifier can provide a highly energetic fuel, and with a resultant high effective conversion of that fuel into energy in an unmodified diesel engine. From the patent abstract: One area of particular interest relates to fuels for commercial and agricultural vehicles that are powered by diesel engines. The prospect of farmers becoming self-sufficient in regard to their energy needs has led to investigations of vegetable oils as diesel fuel substitutes. Deterrents to this concept are the generally inferior fuel properties of crude vegetable oils as compared to those of diesel oil. Of particular concern is the inherently high viscosity which causes poor atomization in direct-injected diesel engines. This results in fouling of the injectors and cylinders as well as a buildup of noncombusted fuel in the crankcase causing a thickening of the lubricating oil. This invention relates to a blended vegetable oil fuel which circumvents many of these problems. VERY INTERESTING ! Here we have a public domain solution to several related problems of small farm or aquaculture operations, which can produce lots of raw biomass (algae) but need a minimal secondary system for getting that biomass into a proper fuel for a normal diesel engine. Here it is folks, no royalty required! This could be one of those minor (but actually major) little nails which builds an entire new energy infrastructure... Jones
Re: [Vo]:Magnetic pressure and magnetic temperature
In reply to David Jonsson's message of Wed, 9 Apr 2008 00:35:22 +0200: Hi, [snip] Hi Magnetic pressure is a well known concept. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_pressure It struck me then that other concepts must be applicable to magnetism too like temperature. Temperature is really a measure of the average kinetic energy of particles, so a magnetic temperature may not have a lot of meaning. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk The shrub is a plant.
[VO]: Blowing smoke in the wind
Howdy Vorts, The Houston Chronicle article today kinda disputes claims regarding the idea of using windmills. The power produced ain't worth the power to produce without heavy subsidies. Also reports that a norther blew in one day and the wind farm output dropped so low that it upset the grid and almost caused a major blackout. Some third of the big mills are down for repairs at any one time. Nobody has reliable figures on real operating cost cuz the whole business is sorta off the books.. well... kinda.. Algorish sorta accounting. After all , it's green ..ain't it ? Our local area electric co-op advertizes wind power as an option for a coupla cents more per willowatt. That's what the Dime Box saloon describes green energy as.. willowatts. The whole wind energy business is so convoluted with politics and tax tricks that it's starting to resemble the DoE. You know.. the outfit that awarded a contract to Lockheed for an advanced design warplane for some 138 billion bucks and have zilch to show for their money so far... but not to worry.. the Marine heliocopter deal for 38 choppers for the white house fits the pattern.. megabucks spent and no choppers yet. Hey ! bartender !! slide one down the bar to Jed.. he has a perplexed look on his face.. musta been something he read about BLP. Richard Jed mentioned this link, Move Over, Oil, There's Money in Texas Wind http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/23/business/23wind.html
