[Vo]:CNN.COM VIDEO: Fill 'er up with pond scum ... from desert?
Enjoy! http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/international/2008/04/13/obrien.us.pond.scum.cnn http://tinyurl.com/4wov4y Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:CNN video of Vertigro algae factory
See: http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/international/2008/04/13/obrien.us.po nd.scum.cnn
Re: [Vo]:Cavitation Weapon
On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 4:34 AM, Terry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hunting with a cavitation pistol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oCRJSGVIrs This shrimp has great aim. Very intersting but I don't see that the cavitation is the actual effect. This shrimp produces a wave wich hits the prey. This shrimp is on par with the mantis shrimp which is also highly advanced. David -- David Jonsson Sweden phone callto:+46703000370
Re: [Vo]:Cavitation Weapon
David Jonsson ses: On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 4:34 AM, Terry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hunting with a cavitation pistol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oCRJSGVIrs This shrimp has great aim. Very intersting but I don't see that the cavitation is the actual effect. This shrimp produces a wave wich hits the prey. This shrimp is on par with the mantis shrimp which is also highly advanced. David In another 100 million years, give or take 10 million, and after we are no longer in charge (assuming we're still around), their progeny may very well be the next dominant species. I hope I get over my allergies to shellfish by then. It could likely to be considered a major diplomatic fopah to shake the claw of the highly decorated Sir Chitin Sides and have my palm suddenly break out in hives. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:Eye of the Gyre (was Re: Algae: 'The ultimate in renewable energy')
Jones, Michael and all future friends of the Gyre Algaculture Company (Vortigro ? ;-), I am afraid that the Canary islands would probably be the worst possible harvesting location for our North Atlantic Gyre farming operation. I have found this map of the sargassum distribution at http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/graphics/seagpic.gif : The best place for harvesting seems to be near the Bermuda islands (little dot at NW of the hatched circle where the sargassum has the highest density), while the best place for seeding, if any seeding is needed, could remain the Canary islands, or may be the Azores (at the NE end of the solid line zone). This is because floating things, while going round the Gyre, tend to collect from the periphery to the eye (we Vorts have known all along that the solution would involve a vortex haven't we ? ;-), including garbage especially plastics (free recyclable plastic as a bonus!), see e.g. in the North Pacific Gyre (another one of the 5 major Gyres: the S and N Atlantic, the S and N Pacific, and the Indian Ocean Gyres): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_Garbage_Patch The eye is also the top of the hill (1 or 2m above average ocean level), and the place where decaying algae (and decaying-whatever-ends-up-there including of course wrecked ships, ocean floor must be interesting there!) sink in the central downwards current. All comments, facts, ideas, criticisms welcome, like Richard said united Vortician talents could do wonders on a project like this. Michel - Original Message - From: Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Algae: 'The ultimate in renewable energy' Nice posting Michel, I can envision a fleet of large ocean going catamaran vessels, hulls perhaps 200 meters in length, and designed so that between the hulls is fitted on a roller mecahism a continuous recirculating open-weave netting to harvest the sargasso. The catamaran could even be powered at one or two knots by sail and/or the more efficient 'kite' and at the same time produce some onboard electrical power from the wind. Biomimicry: It will operate not unlike the baleen whale http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baleen_whale ... and will have onboard tanks to digest the seaweed into biobutanol. For marketability we can call the product: Baleenoil or some such gimmick As the seaweed is harvested, iron-based fertilizer is spread from the stern. A supply ship shuttles back and forth to the Canary Islands, where our office will be based ;-) ... the trade is biobutanol one-way and mineral-ore-fertilizer the other way. Millions of tons of CO2 will be converted into transportation fuel, in a 'carbon neutral' way, totally responsible and green, and we will be richer (at least in moral-net-worth) than Gates and Midas combined... by selling the baleenoil (biobutanol) to French and American drivers for around a Euro per liter. How does that sound? Jones --- Michel Jullian wrote: Best option would be to get the CO2 from the atmosphere as we are all aware, let's see the implications: = extensive growing surfaces with ample water, nutrients and sunlight = the oceans provide all that, as discussed before = it occurs to me we could use the natural ocean streams as conveyor belts = a closed loop conveyor belt running around, or even constituting, the growing surface would be nice = how about using the Gyres ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyre ), for example the North Atlantic Gyre (you know, that current aka Gulf Stream in some places which makes winters so cold on US Atlantic coasts and so wonderfully temperate here ;-) which circles the Sargasso Sea: Let's see what Wikipedia says on our putative NATO (North Atlantic Turning Oilfield ;-) at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sargasso_Sea : The Sargasso Sea is an elongated region in the middle of the North Atlantic Ocean, surrounded by ocean currents... Portuguese sailors were among the first to discover this region in the 15th century, although it may have been known to earlier mariners, as a poem by the late 4th century AD author Rufus Festus Avienus describes a portion of the Atlantic as being covered with seaweed. Christopher Columbus and his men also noted the Sargasso Sea, and brought reports of the masses of seaweed on the surface. (emphasis is mine) We might be able to harvest the native seaweed and/or grow better suited algae ... what do you think Vorts, shall we farm the Sargasso Sea and push the harvest onto the North Atlantic Gyre for cheap transportation? Or would it be better to simply farm the Gyre? Or is this a sea lea idea? ;-) Michel SargassumDistribution.gif
Re: [Vo]:Cavitation Weapon
More on the pistol shrimp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pistol_shrimp the collapsing cavitation bubble includes the requisite sonoluminescence! Terry On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:41 AM, David Jonsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 4:34 AM, Terry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hunting with a cavitation pistol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oCRJSGVIrs This shrimp has great aim. Very intersting but I don't see that the cavitation is the actual effect. This shrimp produces a wave wich hits the prey. This shrimp is on par with the mantis shrimp which is also highly advanced. David -- David Jonsson Sweden phone callto:+46703000370
[Vo]:[OT]Sony Wins One
Gnorts, Vorts! Even though Betamax was superior to VHS in many ways, the economic advantage of the VHS transport mechanism beat out the superior quality of Betamax. With the announcement by Blockbuster that it would only stock Blu-ray HD vids, Toshiba and Microsoft's HD DVD was history. Indeed, the price of those DVD's and players have plummeted. Not so for the Blu-ray players. Buy-in still runs in the $400 range with a $378 lowest price seen at Walmart. AND if you bought-in too early, you probably need a s/w or firmware upgrade in order to take advantage of the latest indexing of Blu-ray media. This shopper hit the web for advice and found the answer at, of course, Sony. You can buy the 40 GByte PS3 with a built-in superb Blu-ray capability for $399 and it even includes a WS Blu-ray version of Spidey III. And get this, not only do you get a game for free; but, I set it up on my wireless home LAN and it automatically updated the Blu-ray player (and game) to the current version. Oh, and in the words of K, I guess I'll have to buy the White album again. My first vid purchase (other than Spidey) was Sir Clarke's 2001 in WS Blu-ray. Terry PS (pun?) In order to use a standard style remote instead of the game remote, you have to buy the Bluetooth Sony remote since the PS3 does not accept the standard universal remote.
Re: [Vo]:Cavitation Weapon
More on the pistol shrimp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pistol_shrimp the collapsing cavitation bubble includes the requisite sonoluminescence! Terry On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:41 AM, David Jonsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 4:34 AM, Terry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hunting with a cavitation pistol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oCRJSGVIrs This shrimp has great aim. Very intersting but I don't see that the cavitation is the actual effect. This shrimp produces a wave wich hits the prey. This shrimp is on par with the mantis shrimp which is also highly advanced. David -- David Jonsson Sweden phone callto:+46703000370
Re: [Vo]:CNN video of Vertigro algae factory
The video link I tried to send is the same one OrionWorks successfully sent. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Eye of the Gyre
--- Michel The Pacific Gyre, from the site you found - looks like we can harvest plastic ;-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_Garbage_Patch Jones BTW a 'gyre' is a kind of 'vortex' ... bit of serendipity there...
Re: [Vo]:CNN video of Vertigro algae factory
It is also nearly the same video from last week which initiated 'The ultimate in renewable energy' thread ... Did anyone find any extra information in there this time around? Drinkability comes to mind ;-) ... ...kinda reminds me of that awful stuff sold in health food bars - the wheat grass cocktail Actually, it never hurts to see many different perspectives of a very important topic (potentially) from a variety of news sources. I would suggest adding these comments (features) to optimize such a system, at least when it is realized on a larger scale (several acres): 1) A diesel gen-set to burn a small proportion of the harvest. Also a windmill. The on-site power provides the pumping for the water and the energy necessary to extract the lipids from the protein. If some extra electricity is generated- it is for peak power and will bring in top dollar. 2) The 50% of the biomass which is non-lipid makes a superior food, and allows desert land to supply some of the food which goes missing when corn is grown for ethanol. Actually every acre of aquaculture can substitute for hundreds of acres of corn, if those numbers of Kertz are accurate. I want them to be accurate (100,000 gallons per acre of oil and 700,000 pound of algae protein) but I fear that they are inflated. 3) The diesel exhaust can be ported back into the greenhouse. That would mean that maintenance personnel would need to carry oxygen tanks. No big deal except the obvious irony, even humor, of 'frog-men' operating in a greenhouse. 4) The plastic bags of Kertz are probably NOT needed. A better solution would be to drip the liquid over vertical netting of woven fiberglass fabric, which lets the algae breathe easier. The open weave fabric could be wiped of algae with a 'squeegee' type of arrangement on one roller in a continuous loop. Jones --- Jed Rothwell wrote: The video link I tried to send is the same one OrionWorks successfully sent. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:[OT]Sony Wins One
--- On Mon, 4/14/08, Terry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gnorts, Vorts! Even though Betamax was superior to VHS in many ways, the economic advantage of the VHS transport mechanism beat out the superior quality of Betamax. With the announcement by Blockbuster that it would only stock Blu-ray HD vids, Toshiba and Microsoft's HD DVD was history. Indeed, the price of those DVD's and players have plummeted. Not so for the Blu-ray players. Buy-in still runs in the $400 range with a $378 lowest price seen at Walmart. AND if you bought-in too early, you probably need a s/w or firmware upgrade in order to take advantage of the latest indexing of Blu-ray media. This shopper hit the web for advice and found the answer at, of course, Sony. You can buy the 40 GByte PS3 with a built-in superb Blu-ray capability for $399 and it even includes a WS Blu-ray version of Spidey III. And get this, not only do you get a game for free; but, I set it up on my wireless home LAN and it automatically updated the Blu-ray player (and game) to the current version. Oh, and in the words of K, I guess I'll have to buy the White album again. My first vid purchase (other than Spidey) was Sir Clarke's 2001 in WS Blu-ray. Terry PS (pun?) In order to use a standard style remote instead of the game remote, you have to buy the Bluetooth Sony remote since the PS3 does not accept the standard universal remote. I really hate to see Sony prevail on this. To me Sony just represents incompatability with everything. I avoid them whenever possible. The decline in prices for Blu-ray equipment is likely not going to be as rapid as we have come to expect for electronic stuff. One reason is now Sony has a lock on the market. The other reason is those 405nm lasers aren't so cheap to make yet and represent a disproportionate part of the manufacturing cost. M. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [Vo]:[OT]Sony Wins One
Here is a video in bad taste, but hysterical: HD DVD losing the High-Def War vs blue Ray http://youtube.com/watch?v=ywWfmRdOmJ0 This is a re-purposing of the Hitler bunker scene in the movie Downfall, which I highly recommend -- as a movie, that is. My favorite line: Don't worry dear, Bill Hunt would never do that. (min 3:54) (Referring to the editor of Digital Bits.) - Jed
[Vo]:Riots, instability spread as food prices skyrocket
Many experts, such as Pimentel, saw this coming years ago. Our policies led directly to it, which is a disgrace and a crime against humanity. See: http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/04/14/world.food.crisis/index.html Some quotes: The issue is also fueling a rising debate over how much the rising prices can be blamed on ethanol production. The basic argument is that because ethanol comes from corn, the push to replace some traditional fuels with ethanol has created a new demand for corn that has thrown off world food prices. Jean Ziegler, U.N. special rapporteur on the right to food, has called using food crops to create ethanol a crime against humanity. We've been putting our food into the gas tank -- this corn-to-ethanol subsidy which our government is doing really makes little sense, said Columbia University's Sachs. Former President Clinton, at a campaign stop for his wife in Pennsylvania over the weekend, said, Corn is the single most inefficient way to produce ethanol because it uses a lot of energy and because it drives up the price of food. Some environmental groups reject the focus on ethanol in examining food prices. The contrived food vs. fuel debate has reared its ugly head once again, the Renewable Fuels Association says on its Web site, adding that numerous statistical analyses have demonstrated that the price of oil -- not corn prices or ethanol production -- has the greatest impact on consumer food prices because it is integral to virtually every phase of food production, from processing to packaging to transportation. Analysts agree the cost of fuel is among the reasons for the skyrocketing prices.
[Vo]:Re: Eye of the Gyre
- Original Message - From: Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Eye of the Gyre --- Michel The Pacific Gyre, from the site you found - looks like we can harvest plastic ;-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_Garbage_Patch Yes indeed, we might even get paid for that! Jones BTW a 'gyre' is a kind of 'vortex' ... bit of serendipity there... Yep, hence 'Vortigro', vortical grow :) (as a response to 'Vertigro') So, how do you like this place for our North Atlantic operations headquarters: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=qhl=engeocode=q=bermuda+islandjsv=107sll=32.324276,-66.796875sspn=43.078993,56.953125ie=UTF8ll=32.301063,-64.786377spn=21.796966,28.476562t=hz=5 Michel BTW, is it me or has Google Maps increased the resolution of their satellite views again? In my neighbor's swimming pool you can actually count the steps, in my garden you can see very clearly the tufts of grass... this is getting a bit indiscreet.
Re: [Vo]:Re: Eye of the Gyre
--- Michel Jullian wrote: So, how do you like this place for our North Atlantic operations headquarters: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=qhl=engeocode=q=bermuda+islandjsv=107sll=32.324276,-66.796875sspn=43.078993,56.953125ie=UTF8ll=32.301063,-64.786377spn=21.796966,28.476562t=hz=5 ... only one or two things not to like about Bermuda. Here is one of them- also very vortexian: http://daac.gsfc.nasa.gov/oceancolor/images/Sep62003_FabianErodesBermuda.jpg
[Vo]:Re: Eye of the Gyre
- Original Message - From: Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 1:24 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Eye of the Gyre --- Michel Jullian wrote: So, how do you like this place for our North Atlantic operations headquarters: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=qhl=engeocode=q=bermuda+islandjsv=107sll=32.324276,-66.796875sspn=43.078993,56.953125ie=UTF8ll=32.301063,-64.786377spn=21.796966,28.476562t=hz=5 ... only one or two things not to like about Bermuda. Here is one of them- also very vortexian: http://daac.gsfc.nasa.gov/oceancolor/images/Sep62003_FabianErodesBermuda.jpg Indeed, we'll have to sail clear of this particular kind of vortices (which, by our action, we should make less formidable BTW) with our giant harvesting catamarans if we don't want them to end up belly up. But for our harvesting purposes, Bermuda seems the right place doesn't it? We seed the appropriate algae species directly off an island coast somewhere upstream e.g. in Azores, the field widens by diffusion and grows while it gyres clockwise in subtropical temperatures and insolation, and it concentrates again by vortical effect in the eye of the gyre SE of Bermuda a few hundred days later for harvesting... plausible? Michel
Re: [Vo]:Riots, instability spread as food prices skyrocket
--- On Mon, 4/14/08, Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Vo]:Riots, instability spread as food prices skyrocket To: vortex-L@eskimo.com Date: Monday, April 14, 2008, 2:07 PM Many experts, such as Pimentel, saw this coming years ago. Our policies led directly to it, which is a disgrace and a crime against humanity. See: http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/04/14/world.food.crisis/index.html Some quotes: The issue is also fueling a rising debate over how much the rising prices can be blamed on ethanol production. The basic argument is that because ethanol comes from corn, the push to replace some traditional fuels with ethanol has created a new demand for corn that has thrown off world food prices. Jean Ziegler, U.N. special rapporteur on the right to food, has called using food crops to create ethanol a crime against humanity. We've been putting our food into the gas tank -- this corn-to-ethanol subsidy which our government is doing really makes little sense, said Columbia University's Sachs. Former President Clinton, at a campaign stop for his wife in Pennsylvania over the weekend, said, Corn is the single most inefficient way to produce ethanol because it uses a lot of energy and because it drives up the price of food. Some environmental groups reject the focus on ethanol in examining food prices. The contrived food vs. fuel debate has reared its ugly head once again, the Renewable Fuels Association says on its Web site, adding that numerous statistical analyses have demonstrated that the price of oil -- not corn prices or ethanol production -- has the greatest impact on consumer food prices because it is integral to virtually every phase of food production, from processing to packaging to transportation. Analysts agree the cost of fuel is among the reasons for the skyrocketing prices. I agree that the price of oil is likely the main factor in rising food prices. However, it's not just ethanol from corn that's to blame for diverting valuable food resources inefficiently into making renewable fuels. There are rape seed and other vegetable oil producing crops for making biodiesel, displacing food crops such as barley and rice. Further, if you buy into the anthropogenic-carbon-global warming argument (I don't), more forest and other natural carbon sequestring areas are being destroyed to grow such crops. Obviously, the rapid industrialization of formerly agrarian-socialist economies such as India and China, with their now higher caloric diets are a major factor as well. In other words, a couple of billion people can now afford more expensive food, as well as consuming more energy in their industries. The U.S., with its highly productive agribusiness, may have more of a hand to play in the world power game than simply as a consumer of foreign oil, don't you think? Even a**holes like ADM may go back into the food business. M. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
[Vo]:Sargassum for ethanol experimented in Taiwan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algae_fuel#Algal_strains mentions Sargassum, with a link to this recent article: http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2008/01/12/2003396760 Summary: Sargassum is a high growth species (10 times the output volume of gracilaria), convertible to ethanol. But they don't say if this applies to the floating variety 'Sargassum bacciferum' we are interested in for the Gyre farming scheme: Gulf weed (Bot.), a branching seaweed (Sargassum bacciferum , or sea grape), having numerous berrylike air vessels, -- found in the Gulf Stream, in the Sargasso Sea, and elsewhere. [1913 Webster] -- Michel
[Vo]:...now for something completely different
If anyone cares to comment I would appreciate it. While considering a method to study the motion of a curling stone in an alternate frame of reference I noticed that if the rotational speed of a curling stone where it touches the ice is less than its translational speed (system A), it is possible to reproduce the _relative contact_ velocities between the stone and the ice by having an ice surface rotate underneath a stationary stone (system B). the two systems are illustrated here: http://web.ncf.ca/eo200/twosystems.jpg The green vector is the _relative contact_ velocity of one point of contact. Does this analysis appear correct? Harry
Re: [Vo]:CNN video of Vertigro algae factory
Jones wrote: I want them to be accurate (100,000 gallons per acre of oil and 700,000 pound of algae protein) but I fear that they are inflated. I had no idea algae were nitrogen fixating organisms, which they would have to be to produce so much protein. I thought the bulk of the non-lipid material would be cellulosic. What I'm getting at is that if the algae fixes nitrogen from the air, it would make an excellent fertilizer for other crops. Or is this already well-known? M. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [Vo]:Re: Eye of the Gyre
In reply to Michel Jullian's message of Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:02:43 +0200: Hi, [snip] I have a vague recollection of the Sargasso see being a protected marine environment. That may restrict what you can do. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk The shrub is a plant.
Re: [Vo]:Riots, instability spread as food prices skyrocket
Jed Rothwell wrote: Some environmental groups reject the focus on ethanol in examining food prices. This is sophistry at its finest: The contrived food vs. fuel debate has reared its ugly head once again, the Renewable Fuels Association says on its Web site, adding that numerous statistical analyses have demonstrated that the price of oil -- not corn prices or ethanol production -- has the greatest impact on consumer food prices Note well: oil ... has the *greatest* impact. IOW in a multifactorial analysis the most significant single factor is the price of oil. Well, duh, that's not news, everybody knows that already. It's totally misleading to try to use that to conclude that some other factor -- such as use of corn for fuel -- is not *also* causing major trouble. Just because a particular factor is not the *largest* factor doesn't mean it is not a significant contributor to the price increase. * * * There's also something else missing in this debate: Traditional eastern culture relied pretty heavily on plant foods. As has been pointed out elsewhere in this thread, China and India, as they become more prosperous, are switching to a more Western diet, which means: Heavier on BEEF. Meat production is hideously inefficient (post-processing soy beans by feeding them to cows, instead of turning them into tofu, is economically insane), and meat production is the largest single contributor to global warming (or so I have read). A switch from a plant-based diet to a meat-based diet by a substantial portion of the world population is guaranteed to push up the price of all foods. It's impossible, of course, but if we could get the majority of people in the developed world to switch to vegan diets the result would be a spectacular decrease in energy use, food prices, and greenhouse gas emissions.
Re: [Vo]:Sargassum for ethanol experimented in Taiwan
--- Michel Jullian wrote: Summary: Sargassum is a high growth species (10 times the output volume of gracilaria), convertible to ethanol. Well - to be precise, any biofuel system should aim for butanol instead of ethanol... Butanol is highly preferable for several reasons already mentioned in past postings: better energy density, lack of corrosion and low water affinity, less vapor pressure, and easy substitution into either diesel or gasoline, and unlimited blending in any ratio, etc... That choice is a no-brainer. ... plus AFAIK biomass which is convertible into one alcohol can be converted to the other by changing the bacteria strain. PLUS - back in 2005, we broke the so-called fermentation barrier using electrical assist... which is a big jump in the hybridization of the fermentation process itself. The first electrically-assisted process was aimed at getting more hydrogen out of fermentation for fuel cells, but fuel cells are a bust. And hydrogen can't be easily stored. That new wrinkle in fermentation was able to produce four times the quantity of hydrogen over typical fermentation by eliminating one of the parasitic demands of the process. There is every reason to believe that that with genetic engineering, in consort with electrical assist, we can convert sargassum into butanol VERY efficiently, since it is closer to cellulose in chemical makeup than is ethanol. As I understand it, the fermentation barrier is about limiting the effect of acetic acid and other unwanted chemical pathways by providing a slight power boost to the bacteria in the form of a direct electric current at 0.25 volts or so. If you put in much higher voltage, the higher current kills the bacteria but a small boost can accelerate a desired pathway. At any rate, this and other rapidly evolving RD shows that new methods are out there, which can be tailored to needs, and are ready to provide increased renewable energy from biomass over what has been the traditional approach and expectation. Jones
Re: [Vo]:Sargassum for ethanol experimented in Taiwan
Howdy Jones, The nation is absolutely overloaded with technology but getting the bits and pieces fitted together takes teamwork which is an absentee to the equation. The wine, vinegar and beer brewers alone have some adanced tech tricks they could add.. plus the petro refiners have a whole slice of the puzzle already solved.. Speaking of brew.. ever wonder when a glass jar of preserved home made corn explodes.. there may be more than fermentation involved. If one goes off.. the whole shelf follows in sequence... hmm.. strange. Richard Jones wrote, At any rate, this and other rapidly evolving RD shows that new methods are out there, which can be tailored to needs, and are ready to provide increased renewable energy from biomass over what has been the traditional approach and expectation.
Re: [Vo]:Cavitation Weapon
Terry Blanton wrote: More on the pistol shrimp: On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 4:34 AM, Terry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hunting with a cavitation pistol: I was amazed that the cavitation effect would travel a distance and have an effect. OTOH, various researchers have sited this effect as a method of inducing LENR's. I would assume that the Office of Naval Research has looked into this. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:Riots, instability spread as food prices skyrocket
Jed Rothwell wrote: Many experts, such as Pimentel, saw this coming years ago. Our policies led directly to it, which is a disgrace and a \ Analysts agree the cost of fuel is among the reasons for the skyrocketing prices. OTOH, there's several ethanol production facilities in the works that will adjust the price. One of them is an enzyme which produces butanol from cellulose, I would assume that butanol produces a similar effect to ethanol when mixed with petroleum. BTW, rumor has it that Cargil just shut down a new ethanol from corn plant, anybody have any ideas for alternative uses? I wonder if it would be possible to farm places like the Segasco Sea by suspending a plastic mesh between two boats. Er, make that economically feasible? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
