Re: [Vo]:The Valone Matter
Thomas, In July/August issue of Infinite Energy last year, Valone ran the following piece on Russ George: http://newenergytimes.com/SR/Planktos/IE-Planktos-Issue74.htm. A few of the statements in the article that I believe are unsupported or inaccurate are: ...Russ George, CEO of Planktos, Inc., who has already been demonstrating a sequestering process that permanently traps millions of carbon dioxide.! He now uses airplanes instead of a boat to seed the ocean and offers 'certified carbon credits'... Maybe you should add selling stock to your list of sales items. http://www.evolutionshift.com/blog/2007/09/21/leading-scientists-and-thinkers-on-energy-thomas-f-valone/ Supporting and buying stock in Planktos, Inc., which has a wonderful plankton-feeding program for the ocean to sequester millions of tons of CO2, is also very important for the short term. Steve At 08:36 PM 5/5/2008, you wrote: Vortexians: I'd like to get your opinions on the Valone matter. If you got caught cheating in a game of cards in the old west, you could expect to be shot. Tom said that there is a working Searle Machine and other SPFE machines in existence. AFAIK, this is not a truthful statement. He has been given the opportunity to produce or repent, he has chosen to ignore. IMHO, this reflects badly on every legitimate researcher in the field. Why he did this is known only to him, but I assume that he is trying to sell books or memberships. So the question is, should we be self policing, or just let Tom do what he wants to do? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
[Vo]:Petrol price
Petrol is now just about $10 an (imperial) gallon here = about $8.30 a US gallon...
[Vo]:Re: Eye of the Gyre
Thanks Nick, your suggestions and help regarding such an assessment would be welcome. Note this project differs from the Planktos scheme in that the crop is not left to rot and drop to the ocean bottom, and in that iron or any artificial fertilization may not be needed: considering the extensive scale of the project bio sargassum growing is clearly an option. As mentioned earlier there might be issues with eels and sea turtles regarding their reproduction and migration under cover of the floating sargassum mats. OTOH there would be more such shelter if anything, so it isn't clear if it would be a problem. Regarding the choice of the biofuel, it occurred to me that doing the conversion on land as in the latest scheme discussed would allow processes requiring longer processing times and larger plant areas, such as methane generation: http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=sargassum+methane All interested in taking an active part in pushing this Gyre grown and conveyed seaweed concept further, please contact me privately: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Michel - Original Message - From: Nick Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 6:47 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Eye of the Gyre Michel wrote: Back on topic, talking about unedible things, you don't happen to have Sir Branson's ear by any chance? Think he might be interested in this Bermuda based N.A. Gyre cultivation nonsense? Richard Branson's ear? If only... As far as the Sargasso seaweed cultivation goes isn't it just a larger, more elaborate version of the Planktos idea? It would be great if a full and proper environmental risk/benefit assessment was carried out in advance and gave it a clean bill of health. Sometimes schemes like this, designed to be a solution to one problem, can have deleterious effects that outweigh the benefits. In short, they can cause more problems than they solve.
Re: [Vo]:The Valone Matter
Howdy Thomas, Shooting cardsharps is a waste of bullets.Ya hafta think like Bear Stearns (B-S) and not like a crooked ole west Sheriff or Jesse James in todays world. In one slick move B-S took the house for more bucks than Las Vegas ever earned total. Yet, among the masters of the game, B-S is penny ante poker. It is not the recognizible marked card in the game that should be of concern, it's the guys down at the bank in the back room. Shucks!, ev'rybuddy knows who the moonshiner is in a small town.. it's sorta comfortable knowledge. Comfortable knowledge keeps people at ease, even when you know something sneaky's going on. Tom ain't hurtin' nobudy, just trying to make a livin'. In the Dime Box saloon we pay due respect even to the madam as a necessary part of doing business. If we put up with Chaney and Rumsfeld... why, we can put up with anything. Makes the saloon colorful for the tourists. Richard Thomas wrote, If you got caught cheating in a game of cards in the old west, you could expect to be shot. He has been given the opportunity to produce or repent, he has chosen to ignore. IMHO, this reflects badly on every legitimate researcher in the field. Why he did this is known only to him, but I assume that he is trying to sell books or memberships. So the question is, should we be self policing, or just let Tom do what he wants to do?
Re: [Vo]:The Valone Matter
Thomas, Before hanging Tom Valone from the nearest tree, note that there is a large spectrum of possibilities in the words working Searle (sic) Machine. Semantics have always played a pivotal role in Free Energy research. Working may mean anything from It spins by itself, although we have to give it a tiny kick each cycle to It re-charges its own battery while powering this light, although we have no idea what the battery chemistry is to When we spin it to 10 Krpm it lifts off, although we haven't done it in a vacuum etc etc. Try to get Tom (or anyone) to define exactly what Working means and then you can gently (?) remind him that he may be playing the Validation by Implication game to the detriment of all. Also question his source - is it his own eyes and instruments on site, or is it a trusted friend telling him in minute detail, or is it a gullible investor trying to bail out of an over-sold free energy scam, or is it the inventor him/herself trying to convince you over the internet, of all places, that the world has changed and you can be part of it for a mere megabuck or two. cheers - George [EMAIL PROTECTED] thomas malloy wrote: Vortexians: I'd like to get your opinions on the Valone matter. If you got caught cheating in a game of cards in the old west, you could expect to be shot. Tom said that there is a working Searle Machine and other SPFE machines in existence. AFAIK, this is not a truthful statement. He has been given the opportunity to produce or repent, he has chosen to ignore. IMHO, this reflects badly on every legitimate researcher in the field. Why he did this is known only to him, but I assume that he is trying to sell books or memberships. So the question is, should we be self policing, or just let Tom do what he wants to do? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
[Vo]:Valone cited thermovoltaic cells as cheap energy devices.
I listened to Tom Valone on C to C too. He mentioned that solar cells from Kyrocea in Japan http://www.kyocerasolar.com/ specifically but probably not exclusively produced energy from ambient IR at night. I believe this is a cheap energy source worth pursuing though a feeble search of kyocerasolar did not lead to ambient IR conversion references. Paul Lowrance calculated that ambient IR blackbody radiation was ~ 400 watts / M^2. Thermovoltaic cells can be very thin and stacked in series to become powerful rugged, and of practical voltage. Aloha, Charlie
[Vo]:Algoil animated
Visual aid for kidz and/or Mo'-Rons: Is energy-independence as simple as cartoon reality? Maybe... ... anyway, if a picture is worth a thousand words, and if you are not yet clear, with mental imagery, as to what energy-independence (or a significant portion thereof) will look like in a few years ... ...here's a few zillion word-equivalents http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx3qonMjrnU
Re: [Vo]:Valone cited thermovoltaic cells as cheap energy devices.
--- Charles M. Brown wrote: Paul Lowrance calculated that ambient IR blackbody radiation was ~ 400 watts/ M^2. Even if this figure were to be correct, and I think it is high - ... the problem is not the absolute level of blackbody irradiation, per se, BUT instead it is finding the proper sink in close proximity to that radiation. ... otherwise, (to restate the obvious) ambient heat at: (x)watts/ M^2 ... in close proximity to a heat-sink or differential at the same: (x)watts/ M^2 provides nothing- no mater what the level of (x) is: whether it be 400 or 400,000 - Basically this situation brings us back to an old niche field in alternative-energy: OTEC - where the trick is in finding the best 'sink' (which is deep ocean) ERGO - why not build on solutions which OTEC has already addressed ? They apparently did not find thermoelectric cells which could do better than phase-change expansion through a turbine (ammonia?). If any kind of solid-state cells, IR or thermoelectric or whatever- are actually available now, OTEC would seem to be the best place for trying them out. Jones
Re: [Vo]:The Valone Matter
George Hathaway wrote: Thomas, Before hanging Tom Valone from the nearest tree, note that there is a large spectrum of possibilities in the words working Searle (sic) Machine. Semantics have always played a pivotal role in Free Energy research. Working may mean anything from It spins by itself, although we have to give it a tiny kick each cycle to It re-charges its o First of all, Tom ignored me, secondly F E means self powering and powering a load besides. It would appear that maybe he is right, Sterling Allen just sent me this: The working Searle Machine he is referring to was built by Godin Roschin. I don't know the particulars. I can see why there are self powering free energy machines, except I wouldn't use that vernacular: self-powering. It might appear that way, but there has to be some external energy source, visible or not, that is the energy source that is being harnessed. He has been privy to working magnet motors, for example. So I think he has grounds for what he has said. So now the question is who are Godin and Roschin, does their machine self power, does it produce any surplus energy, does it produce any antigravity, does it ameoliorate the symptoms disease, can I see it? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:Valone cited thermovoltaic cells as cheap energy devices.
On 6/5/2008 12:09 PM, Jones Beene wrote: --- Charles M. Brown wrote: Paul Lowrance calculated that ambient IR blackbody radiation was ~ 400 watts/ M^2. Even if this figure were to be correct, and I think it is high - ... the problem is not the absolute level of blackbody irradiation, per se, BUT instead it is finding the proper sink in close proximity to that radiation. the underside of a aeroplane? Harry
Re: [Vo]:The Valone Matter
Thomas wrote: So now the question is who are Godin and Roschin, does their machine self power, does it produce any surplus energy, does it produce any antigravity, does it ameoliorate the symptoms disease, can I see it? http://www.rexresearch.com/roschin/roschin.htm
[Vo]:Re: Valone cited thermovoltaic cells as cheap energy devices
Instead of IR photons being plentiful at a source and rare at a sink, I see events as the IR creating electron / hole pairs that are locally out of equilibrium and then pulled apart by the local crystal charge so the electrons are pulled to the N doped side and the holes to the P side as light generated electron / hole pairs are in conventional photocells. This is testable by experimentation. I only have a rough idea of either positive or negative tending data on this already observed. Some people say that there is some dark current from low band gap material photocells others say not. Aloha, Charlie
Re: [Vo]:Re: Valone cited thermovoltaic cells as cheap energy devices
--- Charles M. Brown wrote: Instead of IR photons being plentiful at a source and rare at a sink, I see events as the IR creating electron / hole pairs that are locally out of equilibrium Well OK - that works *one time* - but after the one time, in which the local imbalance comes back into equilibrium, then if there is no sink, there is no continuing local imbalance and the effect cannot continue ...
Re: [Vo]:Valone cited thermovoltaic cells as cheap energy devices.
On 6/5/2008 1:40 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: On 6/5/2008 12:09 PM, Jones Beene wrote: --- Charles M. Brown wrote: Paul Lowrance calculated that ambient IR blackbody radiation was ~ 400 watts/ M^2. Even if this figure were to be correct, and I think it is high - ... the problem is not the absolute level of blackbody irradiation, per se, BUT instead it is finding the proper sink in close proximity to that radiation. the underside of a aeroplane? Harry since at night there is presumably more IR from the ground then from space. Harry
[Vo]:Re:Valone cited thermovoltaic cells as cheap energy devices
I see the equilibrium as being between electron / hole pairs made by IR photons from anywhere and the recombination of electron / hole pairs back into IR photons. If the energy of the electron / hole pairs goes into the electrical circuit then some thermal energy is converted into electrical energy leaving less energy to maintain the IR photon population within the thermovoltaic device. Ambient heat is absorbed, electrical power is released. I think there is strong consensus that electron / hole pairs are produced and recombined within a device of generally uniform temperature. Maybe Mr. Valone can cite further details on this concept. I want everyone to know as much as possible on inventions that I am associated with. Aloha, Charlie
