Re: [Vo]:Fwd: SPESIF-2009 Approval: Log 019 - The Control of the Natural Forces
Sounds fine. I am willing to take a look. Where is your page? David On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 3:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll be speaking at the Von-Brown rocket center in Feb. I will be presenting my paper on The Control of the Natural Forces. Hopefully new energy development will follow. It is quite an honer for me. Mr. Znidarsic, The workshop chairs have approved your abstract with the following commen -- Get the Moviefone Toolbarhttp://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=aolcmp000511. Showtimes, theaters, movie news, more! -- David Jonsson Sweden phone callto:+46703000370
[Vo]:Object on Mars
Bottom middle of this photo is what appears to be an unnatural object with 3 lobes. http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu/images/gallery/lg_5005.jpg A clip of the object itself is attached. inline: object.png Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
[Vo]:More junk on Mars
Junk in top left of photo looks like it may have come from the lander. Too bad Phoenix doesn't have wheels. http://fawkes4.lpl.arizona.edu/images/gallery/lg_5277.jpg inline: distant.png Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Hokkaido Shimbun reports on Mizuno hydrocarbon experiments
It's been said before prematurely but doesn't it seem that - finally! - the walls of doubt are beginning to crumble?
Re: [Vo]:Object on Mars
Howdy Horace, Anyone living in the wilds of Texas, Alaska or Mars can quickly identify these objects. People buy take out food at McDonald's and throw the cartons out the window as they pass by. We retaliate by placing a trash dumpster on our country road and the neighborhood red neck Trashberry family retaliates by stealing the dumpster. No matter where you live or travel.. it's like that.. even Mars. Richard
Re: [Vo]:Hokkaido Shimbun reports on Mizuno hydrocarbon experiments
I wonder if there was anything special about the carbon? This list has speculated that fusion could occur within C60 or nanotubes. Terry On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 4:57 PM, Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The following article appeared in the Hokkaido Newspaper on June 12. It describes an experiment that Mizuno has been doing for quite a while. He has been uncharacteristically unwilling to divulge information about this work, but I believe he intends to discuss it in detail at ICCF14 in August 2008. I have been aware of this research for some time, and I have several manuscripts about it, which Mizuno asked me not to discuss. I hope that I can upload more information soon, perhaps before ICCF14. The experimental technique, calibration and other aspects of the work are much improved since I first learned of it, and the cell is smaller and safer. The article says Mizuno has repeated the experiment 30 times. This means 30 times with this particular configuration, starting this year. He has done the experiment many times previously with a larger cell. The older cell was too large and therefore dangerous, so I am relieved to hear he has scaled down the cell. Note that the article refers to Mr. Mizuno and indicates he is a graduate student. He is Dr. Mizuno, associate professor. - Jed - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hokkaido Shimbun http://www.hokkaido-np.co.jp/news/environment/98372.html Environment * Nature * Science section Cold fusion with a simple reactor? Hokkaido U. Researcher Mizuno Confirms Reaction Will report at international conference June 12, 2008 On June 11, Mr. Tadahiko Mizuno of the Hokkaido University Engineering Dept. (Energy and Environmental Systems) announced a new experiment in which carbon compounds are exposed to hydrogen in a relatively simple reactor (furnace) and then heated. The compounds then produce anomalous heat (excess heat) in amounts far exceeding the heat that could be generated by chemical reactions, as well as gamma rays, which indicate that a nuclear reaction is occuring. Mizuno will present these results at an upcoming international conference in August in the U.S., as a confirmation of a new form of cold fusion. The experiment is done with a stainless steel vessel (internal volume 88 cc). 0.1 gram of phenanthrene (a type of polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbon) is placed in the vessel, and high pressure hydrogen gas is added. Also exposed to the gas inside the vessel serving as catalysts are sulfur and platinum, which acts as a means to line up hydrogen atoms in gas, and promote hydrogen reactions. When hydrogen pressure is raised to 70 atm, and the temperature is raised to 660°C [with a resistance heater], the temperature rises above the set level, and after the input power to the resistance heat is cut off, the cell temperature continues to rise for about an hour, reaching a peak of 690°C. By this stage, excess heat output reaches 60 watts, and total excess heat energy is 240 kilojoules, which exceeds any conceivable chemical reaction by a factor of over 100. Mr. Mizuno has repeated this experiment 30 times, and observed excess heat in every case. Furthermore, after the test, products found inside the cell include: 1. large amounts of carbon-13, an isotope that occurs naturally on earth as only 1% of normal carbon; 2. nitrogen, which is not found in the cell before the experiment in measurable amounts. Because neither of these can be explained as the product of a chemical reaction, Mr. Mizuno says, One must conclude that a fusion reaction involving hydrogen and carbon is occurring in the cell. Prof. Hiroshi Yamada of the Iwate University Engineering Dept. (Electrical Engineering) said It is quite likely that heat is being generated at levels far exceeding heat from chemical reactions. This research deserves attention. Also, a leading researcher at a major industrial company said, This is quite different from previous reports of cold fusion, and of great interest.
[Vo]:IEA has it wrong?
Horace Heffner wrote: The IEA is suggesting a $45T program and over $1T/yr to cut carbon emissions 50% by 2050. See: http://www.iea.org/Textbase/press/pressdetail.asp?PRESS_REL_ID=263 This is on the order of the $26-33T, $1.5T/yr, and 20 yrs I predicted in 2005 would take for 100% conversion. See: http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/BigPicture.pdf http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/EnergyCosts.pdf However, that projected cost was for 100% elimination of carbon fuels. The primary difference is the IEA plan relies on 32 new nuclear plants each year: ... It appears most people just don't expect what is even already in the works in solar energy development. Hi All, We need to hedge our bets, since for national security reasons we must stop using rock oil NOW! This means making methanol and diesel (including biodiesel) our national liquid fuels -- we have the coal to do it, from the Mississippi to the Rockies. Nuclear, wind, and hydro power should be in the mix, especially if Yellowstone blows and the Sun is blotted out for several years. Jack Smith
[Vo]:fyi
On June 14, 2008, Todd Hathaway, an active duty Army Major who provided MPI via
Mark Goldes a short-term bridge loan in 2006 in the amount of $55K that went
into default that same year, a loan that was signed over to another
non-accredited third party in 2007 with the option to convert the loan to MPI
stock, wrote:
As of June 14, 2008, complaints have been filed with the Securities and
Exchange Commision (SEC) to investigate alleged fraudulent investment
activities. Persons who have information related to this matter may forward
information to the following:
SEC Complaint Center, 100 F Street NE, Washington, D.C. 20549-0213. You can
also send a fax to 202-772-9295. Please reference Magnetic Power, Inc., 301 N
Main St # A, Sebastopol, CA 95472, in your correspondence.
- - - -
Anyone with information regarding this matter may also contact info {at}
sci-us.org if you do not feel comfortable contacting a government entity, or
you may submit an email to my attorney in DC (my brother in law who lives down
the street from the SEC) directly at maccoby {at} aol.com.
- - - -
Rebuttal by Mark Goldes (June 14, 2008)
(Response A): MPI is a private firm. The SEC has no jurisdiction over private
companies. Therefore, [the] statement that we are under investigation by the
SEC is libel.
(Response B): Although MPI is a private firm. I see that I was mistaken, the
SEC does have jurisdiction if private firms have not complied with the
requirements, as I believe we have, under exemptions. This complaint resulted
from a long overdue loan. I do not believe there was any such violation. There
has never been fraud on the part of our firm.
- - - -
I'll be happy to help you Todd.
--Penny http://peswiki.com/index.php/User:Penny_Gruber Gruber 04:26, 16 Jun
2008 (EDT)
Todd, contact me privately. I have several suggestions that may be helpful.
- - - -
On June 14, 2008, an MPI associate wrote, I think that it is provable that
Mark raised money from unsophisticated people, including some investors, and a
lot of creditors via the use of convertible stock, with a total disregard for
anything but his personal wants and needs. Let me know if there is anyway I can
help, now that it’s started.
- - - -
The same MPI associate previously stated that MPI defaulted on several hundred
thousand dollars in loans in 2007 alone. This person also previously stated
that he/she was unaware of any technology developed by MPI to be over unity
as the term is commonly recognized by the scientific community, a statement
made in 2007 when MPI/ROOTS had already received millions in funding, a total
amount that is now approaching $10 million since MPI/ROOTS's inception, which
affords MPI's willingness to sue skeptics like NEC member, Eric Kreig.
Based on the information presented by MPI personnel, NEC member Eddie Sines and
former NEC member Todd Hathaway also concluded in 2007 that MPI does not have
over unity technology, as the term is commonly recognized by the scientific
community. MPI's consistent claims of over unity devices have been ongoing for
many years. The NEC wiki pages listing MPI and its claims continue to lend MPI
credibility at the expense of investors, as the Magnetic Power Inc. has
created several Over Unity prototype devices. statement posted on MPI's NEC
wiki comments page
(http://peswiki.com/index.php/Talk:Directory:Magnetic_Power_Inc) proves.
- - - -
The debate on what exactly MPI has available to demonstrate would end with a
live demonstration on http://www.justin.tv/mpi_demo
http://www.justin.tv/mpi_demo (password mpi_demo) free of charge to MPI, with
an unscreened call-in number posted on MPI's web site to answer any questions
that outside parties would have about the devices claimed below during the live
demonstration; the call-in number would prove that it is MPI facilitating the
demonstration and would show MPI's willingness (or lack thereof) to demonstrate
what it has been claiming it has developed now for several years.
Re: [Vo]:Hokkaido Shimbun reports on Mizuno hydrocarbon experiments
--- Terry Blanton wrote: I wonder if there was anything special about the carbon? This list has speculated that fusion could occur within C60 Terry, you are becoming quite perceptive in your old age ;-) For one thing specifically- it would be interesting to know if Mizuno used C-60 in the context of Arata -- i.e. Arata's implied finding that very high loading is effective for unpowered fusion (i.e. really cold CF). He mentions a loading of 4:1 is benficial for Pd. Consequently, getting four atoms of D together in a single vacancy of a better matrix geometry, at the same time, could be one key which not only verifies but improves Arata's palladium dust. Why would that 4-atom loading favor C-60? Possibly because of that inner spatial geometry and the inertness. In fact it appears that other forms of carbon, including graphite, have worked unpredictably in the past(Les Case for instance). Is that because they are simply too reactive with hydrogen to routinely accept this kind of non-covalent hydriding? C-60 in contrast is almost as inert as diamond. IOW 2 molecules of deuterium or four atoms individually might fit within the almost spherical confines of the inert buckyball without covalent linking to the matrix (i.e. the carbon). Jones
Re: [Vo]:IEA has it wrong?
On Jun 16, 2008, at 4:57 AM, Taylor J. Smith wrote: Hi All, We need to hedge our bets, since for national security reasons we must stop using rock oil NOW! This means making methanol and diesel (including biodiesel) our national liquid fuels -- we have the coal to do it, from the Mississippi to the Rockies. Nuclear, wind, and hydro power should be in the mix, especially if Yellowstone blows and the Sun is blotted out for several years. Jack Smith The IEA plan is a *world* plan. The proliferation of nuclear plants world wide is a threat to world security, not just ours. It is also the most expensive route. It may be of interest, however, that nuclear plants may be key to extracting coal sands oil, and shale oil, and thus would help alleviate the oil shortage if they could be brought online quickly enough in the US and Canada. That's no help to the environment, but some fairly quick help to transportation energy security. If the US were really concerned about oil security we would be drilling in ANWR, or maybe more to the point, would have drilled in ANWR and would now be producing the oil. The tiny footprint required in ANWR for drilling would have had almost no impact on wildlife. Instead we are now headed for offshore drilling, which is a vastly larger treat to wildlife. There is no sanity in politics, though politics is still way better than a dictatorship. I would expect if Yellowstone blows the US demand for oil will drop abruptly, and demand for coal increase abruptly. Let's hope the fusion problem is solved soon. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Hokkaido Shimbun reports on Mizuno hydrocarbon experiments
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Terry, you are becoming quite perceptive in your old age ;-) Just more desperate and speculative as oil and age rise. ;-) Terry
Re: [Vo]:Ethanol not all bad?
Jones wrote: Critics wrongly blame ethanol, not diesel tractor fuel or fertilizer for the rising food costs - and then they have the nerve to point the finger at massive farm subsidies ... Ha ... these subsidies are meager compared to the tax breaks and value of oil depletiotn allowances which are still being given to Big Oil. Frankly, I get a little tired of hearing about the evils of Big Oil. What sort of price structure do you think you'd get out of Small Oil? I'll tell you what: It would be a lot more expensive, that's what. I have no love of oil companies, but this constant carping about their supposedly evil conspiratorial behavior is not only diverts attention away from the real problems, most of the criticism is factually incorrect. For example, the recent meager farm subsidy bill was $307 billion! That's $1000 for each person in the U.S., or roughly $2600 per household. How is this meager? Conversely, the oil depletion allowance has been virtually nothing since 1975. Last time I checked, it was something like $2.5 billion annually, meager compared to the size of the oil business. The parliament of whores we call the U.S. Congress let this bill slip through as slick as ball bearings in mayonaise. Those who think that voting for a different party will change this are living in a dream world. Both parties voted for this piece of crap overwhelmingly. It hardly made the newspapers. Imagine what the response would be if the headlines in all the newpapers had declared, Each U.S. Household Forced by Congress to Give $2600 to Big Agribusiness. Compare that to the pathetic and useless tax rebate checks being passed out these days. Instead, we are treated to oil company executives testifying before these jerks in congress about their supposed windfall profits. U.S. oil companies have no control whatever over the world price of oil which is 94% owned by governments. Personally, I think these severe dislocations in the production and prices of oil will finally mean the end of the oil business as we have known it. Big Oil will no longer be a major factor in the world economy and the Middle Eastern countries that have depended on oil income will have to go back to their camels. There have been so many ignored alternatives to oil as an energy source that will now be brought into practical use. I think there is probably no going back now. But ethanol from corn? I don't think so. M.
Re: [Vo]:Ethanol not all bad?
On Jun 16, 2008, at 10:03 AM, Michael Foster wrote: For example, the recent meager farm subsidy bill was $307 billion! That's $1000 for each person in the U.S., or roughly $2600 per household. How is this meager? I don't like to be picky, but I think that is roughly a dollar per person, or about $3 per household. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Ethanol not all bad?
On Jun 16, 2008, at 10:03 AM, Michael Foster wrote: For example, the recent meager farm subsidy bill was $307 billion! That's $1000 for each person in the U.S., or roughly $2600 per household. How is this meager? I just wrote: I don't like to be picky, but I think that is roughly a dollar per person, or about $3 per household. Slight mistake on my part! Only 3 orders of magnitude! Do you have a reference on the above. That seems a bit high. Over what period? Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Hokkaido Shimbun reports on Mizuno hydrocarbon experiments
--- Ed Excellent point. ... when interpreting the work of Arata, you need to separate what he claims from what is known about palladium The extra hydrogen is absorbed to the surface and is present as spill-over hydrogen attached to the ZrO2. The issue is, Does palladium or the ZrO2 contain the NAE? Hopefully, for ultimate commercialization, it is the zircon, due to much lower cost. I have a feeling that you are probably looking into this already. Jones
Re: [Vo]:Ethanol not all bad?
Horace wrote: On Jun 16, 2008, at 10:03 AM, Michael Foster wrote: For example, the recent meager farm subsidy bill was $307 billion! That's $1000 for each person in the U.S., or roughly $2600 per household. How is this meager? I don't like to be picky, but I think that is roughly a dollar per person, or about $3 per household. How do you figure? The farm bill was $307 billion, not $307 million. $300 billion / 300 million people = $1000 per person, no? M.
Re: [Vo]:Ethanol not all bad?
Horace wrote: On Jun 16, 2008, at 10:03 AM, Michael Foster wrote: For example, the recent meager farm subsidy bill was $307 billion! That's $1000 for each person in the U.S., or roughly $2600 per household. How is this meager? I just wrote: I don't like to be picky, but I think that is roughly a dollar per person, or about $3 per household. Slight mistake on my part! Only 3 orders of magnitude! Do you have a reference on the above. That seems a bit high. Over what period? A bit high? Hell no, it's outrageous! Yes, it's $307 billion, no BS. The time period is complicated as different parts of the bill take effect over different time periods, or are one-time payments. http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2008-05-15-farmbill_N.htm To its critics, the $307 billion farm bill heading to President Bush's desk is the poster child for what John McCain and Barack Obama promise to change about Washington. (Except Obama voted for it, McCain against) At a time of soaring food prices and record farm income, the legislation would authorize billions in subsidies for wealthy agribusiness interests that give millions in political contributions. More than half the subsidies paid out from 2003 to 2005 went to 19 of the 435 congressional districts, according to the non-partisan Environmental Working Group, an opponent of the bill. Let me reiterate my proposed newspaper headline. Congress Forces Each Household to Give Big Agribusiness $2600. That's the truth, put plainly. It's too bad the average voter doesn't seem to get it, because your average journalist is too stupid to add up the numbers or just doesn't care. M.
Re: [Vo]:Hokkaido Shimbun reports on Mizuno hydrocarbon experiments
Jones Beene wrote: --- Ed Excellent point. ... when interpreting the work of Arata, you need to separate what he claims from what is known about palladium The extra hydrogen is absorbed to the surface and is present as spill-over hydrogen attached to the ZrO2. The issue is, Does palladium or the ZrO2 contain the NAE? Hopefully, for ultimate commercialization, it is the zircon, due to much lower cost. I have a feeling that you are probably looking into this already. Yes, you bet. However, the Pd is required to make the spill-over D available. In fact, this might be the only role Pd has, a role other metals can fill as well. Ed Jones
FW: [Vo]:Ethanol not all bad?
The 'evil conspiracy of Big Oil' might seem less so if there were more transparency in their dealings with US government officials. Why do you suppose the participants in and gist of the conversations between Big Oil officials and Vice President Cheney were refused release to the public? Lawrence
Re: [Vo]:fyi
Howdy Todd,
Gosh ! Todd.. Are you saying you loaned some money to sum'buddy an they ain't
paid ya? If you wuz gonna throw sum money around, we got a charity at The
Dime Box Saloon for stuff like keeping drunks from sobering up too quick and
learning Obama is gonna be our next pres.
Richard
Todd wrote,
On June 14, 2008, Todd Hathaway, an active duty Army Major who provided MPI via
Mark Goldes a short-term bridge loan in 2006 in the amount of $55K that went
into default that same year, a loan that was signed over to another
non-accredited third party in 2007 with the option to convert the loan to MPI
stock, wrote:
As of June 14, 2008, complaints have been filed with the Securities and
Exchange Commision (SEC) to investigate alleged fraudulent investment
activities. Persons who have information related to this matter may forward
information to the following:
SEC Complaint Center, 100 F Street NE, Washington, D.C. 20549-0213. You can
also send a fax to 202-772-9295. Please reference Magnetic Power, Inc., 301 N
Main St # A, Sebastopol, CA 95472, in your correspondence.
- - - -
Anyone with information regarding this matter may also contact info {at}
sci-us.org if you do not feel comfortable contacting a government entity, or
you may submit an email to my attorney in DC (my brother in law who lives down
the street from the SEC) directly at maccoby {at} aol.com.
RE: [Vo]:Ethanol not all bad?
The mortgage bailout of a few weeks ago is also funded for 300 billion. So, double the cost to the responsible American! I'm really tired of having responsible American being made responsible for everyone else's irresponsibility! Jeff -Original Message- From: Horace Heffner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 2:20 PM To: Vortex-L Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ethanol not all bad? On Jun 16, 2008, at 10:03 AM, Michael Foster wrote: For example, the recent meager farm subsidy bill was $307 billion! That's $1000 for each person in the U.S., or roughly $2600 per household. How is this meager? I just wrote: I don't like to be picky, but I think that is roughly a dollar per person, or about $3 per household. Slight mistake on my part! Only 3 orders of magnitude! Do you have a reference on the above. That seems a bit high. Over what period? Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.3.0/1504 - Release Date: 6/15/2008 5:52 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.3.0/1504 - Release Date: 6/15/2008 5:52 PM
RE: [Vo]:Ethanol not all bad?
--- On Mon, 6/16/08, Jeff Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The mortgage bailout of a few weeks ago is also funded for 300 billion. So, double the cost to the responsible American! I'm really tired of having responsible American being made responsible for everyone else's irresponsibility! Aren't we all? At one point I might have said that voting for one party vs. the other would at least stem the tide a little. Clearly, that's no longer the case. M.
RE: [Vo]:Ethanol not all bad?
--- On Mon, 6/16/08, Lawrence de Bivort [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 'evil conspiracy of Big Oil' might seem less so if there were more transparency in their dealings with US government officials. Why do you suppose the participants in and gist of the conversations between Big Oil officials and Vice President Cheney were refused release to the public? I agree with you. I find it reprehensible that any large industry has more influence on what is supposedly our government than it should. Who knows what transpires behind closed doors? Transparency is a serious issue and needs to be addressed, but to single out the oil business is to ignore things that are likely far worse. I pointed out this outrageous agriculture subsidy bill as something that is right there before our eyes and yet no one thinks there is something wrong with it. Each and every Congressman and Senator who voted for this should be turned out, regardless of party affiliation. Fat chance of that. Ethanol from corn is a crime and people are dying from it. However, the people responsible for this are for some reason not called murderers, which is what they are. I have no doubt that there are additional factors influencing crop prices, but this one was completely avoidable and superfluous. This sort of thing will continue until we all realize how our government actually works, rather than the way they teach us in school. Virtually all the laws are written not by Senators or Congressmen, but by lobbyist law firms on K street in D.C. The bills are then handed to the most compliant legislator who then introduces the bill with his name on it. Usually, the legislator is too busy trying to raise money for his next campaign to read the bill. Maybe the legislator's staff will give the bill a cursory reading with no real understanding and if nothing looks too outrageous, the thing is introduced on the floor of the House of Representatives or the Senate. Do you suppose these idiots in Congress have any understanding at all of the legislation they are saddling us with? M.
[Vo]:Cartwright summary of Arata experiment
Jon Cartwright of PhysicsWorld.com has written a summary of the Arata experiment: http://physicsworld.com/blog/2008/06/coldfusion_demonstration_an_up_1.html I told him his description is better than Arata's, or mine. I have been working on a comprehensive description of the experiment, but I have been distracted by news from Mizuno, and also every time I read the Arata papers I find they raise more questions in my mind than they answer. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Ethanol not all bad?
--- Michael For example, the recent meager farm subsidy bill was $307 billion! WHOA !! That figure is for a multi-year farm bill which covers way more that subsidies and is WAY high as regards actual payments to farmers in any given year - actually it is about 25 times higher than what farmers get in any one year -- but curiously it does seem to be about the value of the oil depletion allowance to big oil in any one year. That is why I said meager in comparison. Michael - I can't believe you are you giving these crooks a break. Big Oil is operating as a criminal enterprise ! Price fixing is illegal in the USA and they are doing it with impunity with OPEC as their cover stroy. And they are still getting tax breaks on top of the gouging !! Here is the actual figures for what farmers get, as best I can tell. Taxpayers shelled out $13.4 billion in farm subsidies to more than 1.4 million recipients in 2006, according to a new update of the Environmental Working Group's Farm Subsidy Database website. http://farm.ewg.org/farm/dp_analysis.php and this page says they got about 34 billion over three years, which is slightly less- but in no way did farmers get 300 billion per year! http://www.mulchblog.com/2007/06/full_disclosure_who_really_ben.php
RE: [Vo]:Ethanol not all bad?
The reality, I think, is that the business of governance has become too complex for the institutions and people responsible for legislation. Lobbyists feed into this complexity by suggesting that issues can be broken down into independent issues, and tackled one by one with little attention to the context of other priorities, needs and legislation, and with no attention to their interdependencies. The annual budgeting process is supposed to enforce a whole-systems perspective, but my guess is that it is too massive for any one brain to comprehend, so the whole-systems perspective is lost, and we are left with only the bottom-line numbers, devoid of a sense of what the content itself of the budget is. This is a gloomy assessment, but, I'm afraid, an accurate one. The situation in the US is probably duplicated in all large economically active countries. Back in the 70s, the National Science Foundation launched a valiant effort to ensure that secondary and tertiary effects of technology were identified and assessed whenever the US government considered supporting the development of a technology. The studies, called Technology Assessments, were not easy to carry out, and were time consuming. How much easier to make swifter governmental decisions and keep one's fingers crossed that nothing too bad would ensue. What to do? Lawrence
[Vo]:Re: Hi Terry, FYI: I'll be in Atlanta, Georgia next week
Hi Terry, I made it to Atlanta relatively unscathed. First time in the city. I only spent about an hour and half wandering about lost in the third largest airport in the U.S. Eventually, I found my designated shuttle, and was whisked to the hotel, sweat drenched and all. My IBM training class starts Tuesday morning. I'll be attending class all day and won't get out till 5:00 PM. Tuesday through Thursday. I'll try calling your cell sometime Tuesday during the daytime to see what your dynamic schedule for the rest of the week might be. I never received an attached NDA. I assume you will have a hardcopy for me to sign should the opportunity present itself, and I get the chance to visit some of the facilities. Yep, it's warm down here. Signing off. Steve --- Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com Crowne Plaza Hotel, 6345 Powers Ferry Road.,N.w. Room 741 On 6/16/08, OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Correction: I see I fat-fingered my home phone number. Home address phone: Business/Mailing address: 2701 University Ave. Madison WI 53705 608 231 2040 Work Phone: 608 264 7601, Wisconsin Dept. of Transportation My private cell: 608 213 6291 I won't make it into Atlanta till around 7:15 PM Monday. A pre-arranged shuttle will take me to my hotel. They DO have a resturant at the hotel. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks -- Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
