It is probable that neither Piantelli nor Rossi understand the exact nature
of the Ni-H reaction. In point of fact, neither do I.
The point of my post was to suggest that Rossi’s “secret catalyzer” is not a
secret element or a chemical compound but the production of ionized hydrogen
through the
I don't know if already said but in his blog Rossi clearly stated that will
not ship to Sweden any device before the October 1MW plant delivery
2011/4/20 Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com
Jed Rothwell http://lenr-canr.org
April 19th, 2011 at 7:40
I guess that makes comments like this one:
It is a little unusual to see someone viciously attack himself. even more
meta-bizarre...
complex crew around here... guess its gonna take me some time to learn the
ropes...
;)
hope we can also manage to reverse engineer these hot felines along the way.
I agree with you. It appears real.
We still must remain open to the fact in the subject heading that fakes
have not yet been eliminated.
From: Peter Gluck
Subject: Re: [Vo]:FAKES NOT ALL ELIMINATED : Swedish physicists on the
E-cat: It's a nuclear reaction
Lots of energy, for many
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
The ironic thing is that Rossi may not even appreciate this cavitation
route.
Inside the machine there are only ordinary pipes and the cell. There is not
the slightest change the flow of water will cause significant ultrasound or
cavitation with this
This is a long post putting together several threads of evidence that the
Rossi reactor is a cavitation reactor.
Pressurized hydrogen in contact with nickel nanopowder is cavitated,
eventually undergoing first chemical and then nuclear reactions, with
copious excess heat. The Casimir effect
I meant there is not the slightest CHANCE the flow of water in ordinary
pipes will cause significant ultrasound.
Water in pipes does cause ultrasound destruction, from the so-called water
hammer effect. Nothing remotely like 16 kW though. If this could happen
plumbing all over the world would be
From: Jed Rothwell
* No, he did not get better results with the high flow. He got 16 kW on
Jan. 16, and 16 kW on Feb. 10, except for the short time it went to 130 kW.
This is of course part of my ongoing disagreement with Rothwell.
In the first test the steam was wet steam, and
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
In the first test the steam was wet steam, and the output was overestimated
by a factor of three.
Experts who know about steam disagree.
In the second test, we see triple the heat evolved due to the higher flow
rate. That could be overestimated too
From: Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote:
In the first test the steam was wet steam, and the output was overestimated
by a factor of three.
JR: Experts who know about steam disagree.
JB: Experts who know about steam also agree. Experts often disagree with
each other.
JR: the second
From: Jones Beene
* I was careful to avoid 'ultrasound' per se. In fact we can rule it out at
the levels of 20 kHz to one MHz, which is the normal range. At the
nano-dimensions, however, phonon mobility can take frequency levels much
higher. It would not surprise me to see a novel kind of
http://www.slideshare.net/lewisglarsen/lattice-energy-llcnickelseed-lenr-net
worksapril-20-2011
Impressive presentation! But is it built on a foundation of sand?
Boy, these guys must have a high quality PR firm, staffed with multi-media
whizzes at work 24/7. but are they trying to salvage a
Wouldn't any pussy (cat) on this list be named Schrödinger? :)
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 7:21 AM, .:.gotjosh ene...@begreen.nu wrote:
snip
hope we can also manage to reverse engineer these hot felines along the
way.
From Jones:
http://www.slideshare.net/lewisglarsen/lattice-energy-llcnickelseed-lenr-networksapril-20-2011
Impressive presentation! But is it built on a foundation of sand?
Boy, these guys must have a high quality PR firm, staffed with
multi-media whizzes at work 24/7… but are they trying
-Original Message-
Angela Kemmler wrote:
Rossi knows these problems very well, and he has already modified his patent
in December 2010:
http://www.esowatch.com/doc/application_rossi.004908.pdf
Well, I should have checked earlier - as here is what Rossi has to say now, and
in the
Finally, spectral data to look at! I can show this to some of the ten-pound
heads I work with - one of whom is well-recognized in the neutron detection
field...if I can get him to take this seriously. If I could get the actual
data, I have several state of the art tools I can use to analyse
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=488
...
1- I do not make more public tests because we already made them. I have
to work hardly on the industrial production and I have no more time for
demos. Besides, as I already explained, the tests fro now on will be made
by the Customers.
...
No Jones, his lawyer Cicogna is only citing the patent of Arata (year 2005).
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-Original Message-
From: Angela Kemmler
No Jones, his lawyer Cicogna is only citing the patent of Arata (year 2005).
would the ion production mechanism require a temperature difference between the
cathode and the reactor walls to work?
Harry
From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 2:14:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Negative hydrogen (H-) ions make all the difference.
From Albedo:
Finally, spectral data to look at! I can show this to some of the ten-pound
heads I work with - one of whom is well-recognized in the neutron detection
field...if I can get him to take this seriously. If I could get the actual
data, I have several state of the art tools I can
Wouldn't you need a time varying magnetic field for this to work?
Harry
From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 9:44:28 AM
Subject: [Vo]:Magnetostriction and Cavitation ll
This is a long post putting together several threads of evidence that
From: Harry
*
* Wouldn't you need a time varying magnetic field for this to work?
Yes. Power from PLCs would normally be PWM.
This should work fine with DC heating tape, no?
New version (same conclusion)
http://lenr.qumbu.com/fake_rossi_ecat_frames_v322.php
Added two new unlimited energy sections:
http://lenr.qumbu.com/fake_rossi_ecat_v322.php#unlimitedenergy
Pump Power and Friction
Magnetostriction and Cavitation
Jones Beene wrote:
The Griggs pump needs massive water flow.
No, it does not. I observed tests with various flow rates. It does not
need a higher flow rate than a conventional boiler.
- Jed
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/04/hubble-turns-21/
Jones Beene wrote:
JR: Experts who know about steam disagree.
JB: Experts who know about steam also agree. Experts often disagree
with each other.
I meant credentialed experts who write engineering textbooks, and EK in
their report. I don't mean invisible experts.
- Jed
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Big bucks going into fancy pantsy PR presentations combined with zero good
lab work does not look good for the future of the field.
Every system works perfectly in the PowerPoint Presentation.
T
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 12:17 PM, albedo5 albe...@gmail.com wrote:
I have been out of the loop with what's been going on lately,
Nuttin' new. Jed 'n Jones are a fussin'.
T
From: Jones Beene
From:Harry
Ø
ØWouldn't you need a time varying magnetic field for this to work?
Yes. Power from PLCs would normally be PWM.
This should work fine with DC heating tape, no?
I wouldn't know.
So the input power figures we hear about are time averaged?
Harry
A temperature difference is not required between the cathode and the reactor
walls to work however there would be one. The wall would be at a temperature
of 600C and the cathode would be at a temperature of 2500C.
It is the very hot temperature of the cathode that allows electrons to
escape the
A couple of people have noted a strange thing about the configuration of the
mini Rossi device. See figure 3 in the EK report:
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/EssenHexperiment.pdf
The report says: At the end of the horizontal section there is an auxiliary
electric heater to initialize the burning
I have a theory that the heater internal to the SS reaction cell produces
nuclear reactions electrostatically. See thread: *Negative hydrogen (H-)
ions make all the difference. *This heater inside the SS reaction cell must
always be present in the Rossi design to provide electrostatic stimulation
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
There is a red wire on the
bottom powering it.
Where's the other wire? The black one to go with the red one? Is the
copper pipe Vreturn?
T
Axil Axil wrote:
I have a theory that the heater internal to the SS reaction cell
produces nuclear reactions electrostatically. See thread: *Negative
hydrogen (H-) ions make all the difference. *This heater inside the SS
reaction cell must always be present in the Rossi design to provide
The configuration might not be strange at all.
One possible explanation:
My take is that Rossi's e-kitten reactor cell might NOTbe positioned
within the center of the copper pipe. The reactor cell might
actually have been engineered in the shape of cylinder, or a ring that
fits snugly adjacent
- Original Message
From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 4:11:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Strange position of heater in mini-Rossi device
The configuration might not be strange at all.
One possible
OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
The reactor cell might actually have been engineered in the shape of
cylinder, or a ring that fits snugly adjacent within the external wall of
the copper tube. Keep in mind: The copper tubing does appear to be fatter at
the reactor
The small Cat-E design would be optimized if the external band heater warmed
the surface of the SS reaction cell (SSRC) evenly without any hot spots on
the surface of the SSRC since stainless steel is not very thermally
conductive. This requires a heat exchanger like honeycomb structure of
copper
From Jed:
You mean, the cell is a torus? With the cooling water flowing
through the middle?
Yes.
I believe that is what Ed Storms may have concluded. (I don't
speak for him.) I thought there might be a problem getting the
powder into a torus, because you can't access the bottom, but
I wrote:
You mean, the cell is a torus? With the cooling water flowing through the
middle?
The problem with that would be: Why bother putting the copper shell around
the steel cell? If it is a torus, you can dispense with the copper shell,
and put the heater directly on the outside of the
The external heat could be used only during startup when a lot of heat is
required. In steady state operations, during normal operating conditions,
only the internal heater is used.
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 4:32 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
From Jed:
You
On 2011-04-21 21:37, Jed Rothwell wrote:
[...]
I do not know what to make of it.
Maybe I'm looking too much into it, but I often wonder if the name
Energy Catalyzer chosen by Rossi isn't itself a hint regarding the
internal reactor construction. Given that his English language skill
isn't
In a torus, the internal heater would be difficult to impossible to position
correctly, i.e. in the center.
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
I wrote:
You mean, the cell is a torus? With the cooling water flowing through the
middle?
The problem
OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
. . . such a configuration strikes me as being extremely inefficient
thermally speaking. Only the heat radiating within the central ring of the
reactor will transfer to the flowing water. Reactor heat radiating away from
the
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
In a torus, the internal heater would be difficult to impossible to position
correctly, i.e. in the center.
I envision a ring heater, on the inside, around the central hole. The wires
have to pass through the walls of the cell.
I have seen flexible nichrome
From Jed:
You mean, the cell is a torus? With the cooling water flowing through the
middle?
The problem with that would be: Why bother putting the copper shell around
the steel cell? If it is a torus, you can dispense with the copper shell,
and put the heater directly on the outside of the
There is a conditioning startup phase when the hydrogen is being loaded. The
reaction vessel may have to be heated to condition the catalyst/hydrogen
mixture. No water would be flowing at that time. The external copper pipe
would not contain water and heat transfer to water characteristics are
On 2011-04-21 22:49, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:
The exterior copper pipe lining/jacket which encases the external
reactor torus wall might assist in the transfer of reactor heat to
the adjacent flowing water. If the reactor torus had been built
entirely outside of the copper tubing
From Akira
From Steven V Johnson:
The exterior copper pipe lining/jacket which encases
the external reactor torus wall might assist in the
transfer of reactor heat to the adjacent flowing water.
If the reactor torus had been built entirely outside of
the copper tubing holding the flowing
When the Cat-E was downsized, the reaction chamber was greatly reduced in
size. So was the internal heater in like proportion. But the copper pipes in
the water loop are standard commercial grade sizes and therefore stayed the
same size. Remaining the same size, these pipes would take away heat by
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
When the Cat-E was downsized, the reaction chamber was greatly reduced in
size. So was the internal heater in like proportion. But the copper pipes in
the water loop are standard commercial grade sizes and therefore stayed the
same size. . . .
. . . The
When your theory of operation is correct things start falling into place:
the angels will begin to sing. I believe that my theory is good and will
produce correct predictions as time moves forward. Time will tell.
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Axil
I wrote:
I suppose you could not use it for this purpose if the water is flowing.
For that matter, I suppose the whole problem vanishes if we assume they only
use the heater when the water is not flowing. No details of the operational
procedures have been released. For all we know, they turn
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Thu, 21 Apr 2011 10:32:53 -0700 (PDT):
Hi,
[snip]
would the ion production mechanism require a temperature difference between
the
cathode and the reactor walls to work?
Is there a cathode?
Regards,
Robin van Spaandonk
The heater internal to the reaction chamber serves two functions, to suppy
heat and to suppy negitive hydroden ions. In this sence, the heater acts a a
cathode.
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 6:21 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Thu, 21 Apr 2011 10:32:53 -0700
I wrote:
They did tell me they test the flow calorimetry before turning on the cell.
That is to say, they make sure the inlet and outlet temperatures are the
same.
I mean they make sure thermocouples register the same temperature. Of course
the temperatures are actually the same, since it is
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
The heater internal to the reaction chamber serves two functions, to suppy
heat and to suppy negitive hydroden ions. In this sence, the heater acts a a
cathode.
Earlier in the thread, I asked where the return wire is on the
The mica band heater could have been converted to DC power(it is
possible) and the copper pipe may be grounded thereby serving as the other
wire.
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
The
The red wire is a cable with two conductors, I'm sure.
Also unrelated, but I recall Rossi stating there is no tungsten.
Hoyt Stearns
Scottsdale, Arizona US
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 3:33 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3144960.ece/BINARY/Download+the+repor
t+by+Kullander+and+Ess%C3%A9n+%28pdf%29.
Water is in the copper pipes.
The reaction kicks off when the water temperature hits 60C. This must be the
same for the outside reactor structure.
This fact does not
I got the numbers wrong in that description. It wasn't . Anyway,
it illustrates the mindset of people who do not seriously expect anything to
go wrong. Quoting D. F. Ford, p. 131:
Purely by chance there were some thermocouples . . . in the TMI-2 reactor .
. . [normally none, but they were
The water may need to be preheated to give the reactor a chance to warm up.
Without the preheating, the reactor won't have enough heat to reach a
self-sustaining reaction.
harry
From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 7:32:23 PM
Subject: Re:
Axil wrote:
A temperature difference is not required between the cathode and the reactor
walls to work however there would be one. The wall would be at a temperature
of
600C and the cathode would be at a temperature of 2500C.
It is the very hot temperature of the cathode that allows
The word is 'pegged'.
T
For anyone who may not know, the video of the Jan.15 Rossi-Focardi E-Cat
demonstration
is now available with english subtitles...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4JUJhkpc3I
Harry
An alterative to tungsten for the internal heater is a nichrome wire heating
element (melting point of 1400C) enclosed within a tube of ceramic thorium
oxide (thoria).
With thoria there is little difference thermionically when studied as a
coating on tantalum or on tungsten, or as a ceramic
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