On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote:
At 07:56 AM 7/21/2011, Damon Craig wrote:
Cude, Lomax:
To you two, and myself, its fairly obvious this device doesn't do what it
is reported to do, but we have no solid, unrefutable evidence--yet.
One
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote:
At 11:58 AM 7/21/2011, Joshua Cude wrote:
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 6:56 AM, Damon Craig mailto:decra...@gmail.com
de**cra...@gmail.com decra...@gmail.com wrote:
Cude, Lomax:
To you two, and myself, its fairly
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote:
No, increased pressure is caused by the pump (I have little idea how much
it will cause, but my guess is that this isn't enough to raise the pressure
to atmospheric), and by steam pressure from boiling. Even a
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote:
While two heaters is possible, it's not what is reported. The description
here is a bit garbled. There are two chambers, the reaction chamber and the
cooling chamber. There may be a third chamber, a closed
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote:
At 07:30 AM 7/21/2011, Damon Craig wrote:
Essen and Kullander:
At the end of the horizontal section there is an auxiliary electric
heater to initialize the burning and also to act as a safety if the heat
I think I'll have to take this one step at a time.
Do you all realize that you could swim up into the sky in
steam containing 90% by mass water?
It is not a part of our life experiences to have witnessed steam at anytime
having this anywhere near this liquid water content. Keep the eyes open to
The steam temperature is not measure at the location of evolution but futher
along in the device toward the exit.
For those of us adhering to the Water Flow-though Hypothesis, the
thermometer is further toward the water surface at the height of the outlet
where the pressure is less than that
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 1:06 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't get that. If it takes one unit of power to bring the temperature up
to the ignition threshold, and then the thing generates 6 or more units of
power on its own, I can't see how removing the first one could
Craig, indeed that is true, liquid water does not contribute to the pressure
at all, because water does not gently flow out of the E-Cat, but is spilled
due to rather violent boiling at kW range in closed container.
Only thing that contributes for the pressure is steam flow pressure out of
the
http://evworld.com/press/e-cat_cutaway.jpg
Two heaters. The internal heater makes sense for bringing up the Ni-H to
operating temperatures (and, presumably, keep it there). It's the purpose of
the external heater that's puzzling.
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 04:06:00 -0500
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New
I don't know how to visually estimate the wetness of steam. Why do you think
it's less than 5%?
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 5:28 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
Damon,
This is what I tried to explain before. Discussing about wetness of
the steam is a moot point. The mass of liquid
Do you have an online reference or text reference to the 1-2% value for
typical wetness of steam?
I would like to have a reference source.
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 4:24 AM, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.comwrote:
It was well established that wetness of the steam was something in order of
Damon, little two sec googling with cell phone gave me this link:
http://brewery.org/library/SteInjCS1295.html
It says that all boiling chambers produces about 98% dry steam. Therefore
wetness measurement that was 1.4-1.2% feels very reliable. I think that
wetness depens slightly on temperature
the burden of proof lies with the claimant
it does?
1) prove it.
2) in having made the burden-of-proof argument, are you obligated to me to
prove it?
3) what is your burden/penalty if you decide not to oblige me?
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 7:27 AM, Robert Leguillon
robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote:
http://evworld.com/press/e-cat_cutaway.jpg
Two heaters. The internal heater makes sense for bringing up the Ni-H to
operating temperatures (and, presumably, keep it there). It's the purpose of
the external
Perhaps auxiliary heater is for preheating inlet water so that the
temperature gradient of water is smoother. This would help to maintain more
constant temperature in the core and thus increase controllability, as heat
energy from reactor core is used for making steam at constant temperature,
but
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 5:48 AM, Damon Craig decra...@gmail.com wrote:
I think I'll have to take this one step at a time.
Do you all realize that you could swim up into the sky in
steam containing 90% by mass water?
I don't think you read what I wrote. The density of water vapor at 100C is
Yes its not measured but it follows that it must be higher due to the increased
pressure.
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From: Damon Craig
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 6:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement
The steam
Terry,
Stray current between two resistance heaters would be counter-intuitive,
since the heaters are supposed to be well insulated electrically, and
therefore not thermionic - so we must ask: what kind of current flow is even
possible between two resistance heaters should you desire to maximize
A major error in my previous post. It should be ~4J/gK x 70K= ~300J/g whereas
heat of vaporization is ~2200J/g so obviously the inlet cold water will not be
able to provide 100% of the cooling to condense the steam but only about 10%.
But perhaps the large bulk of water in the E-Cat could
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 5:48 AM, Damon Craig decra...@gmail.com wrote:
It is not a part of our life experiences to have witnessed steam at anytime
having this anywhere near this liquid water content.
It depends on your life experience. It is certainly part of Mitra et al's
experience as
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Terry,
Stray current between two resistance heaters would be counter-intuitive,
since the heaters are supposed to be well insulated electrically,
Not necessarily. Note that the internal heater could be a nichrome or
At 04:06 AM 7/22/2011, Joshua Cude wrote:
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
It's plausible as a control method, depending on the temperature
response of the active material.
The active material will presumably have an
At 06:48 AM 7/22/2011, Damon Craig wrote:
I think I'll have to take this one step at a time.
Do you all realize that you could swim up into the sky in steam
containing 90% by mass water?
Absolutly not. You are thinking, Damon, of 90% by volume.
At 06:59 AM 7/22/2011, Damon Craig wrote:
The steam temperature is not measure at the location of evolution
but futher along in the device toward the exit.
For those of us adhering to the Water Flow-though Hypothesis, the
thermometer is further toward the water surface at the height of the
At 07:24 AM 7/22/2011, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
Craig, indeed that is true, liquid water does
not contribute to the pressure at all, because
water does not gently flow out of the E-Cat, but
is spilled due to rather violent boiling at kW range in closed container.
No, that's an error. The E-Cat
There are two counterarguments to the proposition that an electric or
electronic based mechanism contributes to the establishment or the control
of the Rossi effect.
First, for much of the long history of the Cat-e development, a single
heater was used to activate and control the Cold fusion
At 07:27 AM 7/22/2011, Robert Leguillon wrote:
http://evworld.com/press/e-cat_cutaway.jpg
Two heaters. The internal heater makes sense for bringing up the
Ni-H to operating temperatures (and, presumably, keep it there).
It's the purpose of the external heater that's puzzling.
How
At 07:48 AM 7/22/2011, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
Damon, little two sec googling with cell phone gave me this link:
http://brewery.org/library/SteInjCS1295.htmlhttp://brewery.org/library/SteInjCS1295.html
It says that all boiling chambers produces about 98% dry steam.
Therefore wetness
At 07:48 AM 7/22/2011, Damon Craig wrote:
the burden of proof lies with the claimant
it does?
1) prove it.
2) in having made the burden-of-proof argument, are you obligated to
me to prove it?
3) what is your burden/penalty if you decide not to oblige me?
Arguments like this assume
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
Second, there is a cat-e design option currently in development that does
not use any input energy to control the Rossi reaction.
Allegedly. Unless, of course, you have taken a job with Defkalion and
aren't telling us. ;-)
RE: The evidence for nano-powder welding as one of Rossi’s secrets is strong
but circumstantial in the 10kw unit whose reaction vessel volume is 1 liter.
In one recent demo of the 10-kw Cat-e, a short output power excursion
occurred where the input output ratio went over 1600 during the 130 kW
2011/7/22 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com:
However, claims that the data is contradictory, on the basis of steam
pressure calculations, seem to fail.
Thanks for these calculations – they sound reasonable. For me it seems
that E-Cat worked properly only in Mats Lewan's hands where
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote:
At 04:06 AM 7/22/2011, Joshua Cude wrote:
I don't get that. If it takes one unit of power to bring the temperature
up to the ignition threshold, and then the thing generates 6 or more units
of power on its own,
2011/7/22 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com:
Essentially, burden is a social construct, it doesn't exist aside from
human conventions. There is no burden meter.
Again you are on a roll! This burden of proof argument is silly and
widely spread pseudoargument.
Usually it works, because
See new article. There are some statements in this article I have not heard,
and some stuff I doubt is true:
http://pesn.com/2011/07/21/9501874_Rossis_Self_Sustaining_One_Megawatt_Reactor/
I think it is more likely that it will require minimal input energy. The
input to output ratio will be
paper from Annales de la Fondation Louis de Broglie, Volume 34 no 2, 2009
Neutrons from Piezonuclear Reactions
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-342/aflb342m669.pdf
ABSTRACT. We report the results obtained by cavitating water solutions
of iron salts (Fe(Cl)3 and Fe(NO3)3) with different concentrations
Terry sez:
...
I'll bet 'cha there will always be an electric component to the
initiation of the reaction either way.
Nah! All'ya need is a Ford Model T crank.
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
It would be more accurate to say the reaction depends on a temperature
difference between the reactor and the water rather than on the temperature of
the reactor.
No?
Harry
From: Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 1:11:59 PM
Subject: Re:
Steven V Johnson wrote:
Nah! All'ya need is a Ford Model T crank.
We're in luck, then. We have plenty of cranks in this field.
- Jed
To be more precise, the temperature difference between the inside of the
reaction vessel and the water cannot be greater than a certain value or
the generation of heat will cease and the difference cannot be less than a
certain value or the reactor temperature will then begin to rise
Without exact details of external and internal geometries,
thicknesses, and volumes, the world is whistling in the dark re any
attempts to make and test dummy copies of the Rossi reactor, with some
Ni micropower and no catalyst, to establish the null hypothesis that
the observed complex
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Steven V Johnson wrote:
Nah! All'ya need is a Ford Model T crank.
We're in luck, then. We have plenty of cranks in this field.
Yep,
T (Crank)
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
It's like opening a can of spaghetti and finding that half of the pasta is
actually worms. Gee, it looked like pasta to me!
Hey, that's an insult to us pastafarians!
Search for Neutrons from Piezonuclear Reactions using google,
then click the first link listed. That should work.
Harry
From: Drowning Trout drowningtro...@gmail.com
To: Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 6:46:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Neutrons from Piezonuclear
- Forwarded Message -
From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com
To: Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 9:38:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Neutrons from Piezonuclear Reactions
From a very quick scan of the referenced paper, the process in play within the
cavatation bubble
Did you forget about CETI's preheater Jed?
The connection between input energy and output heat is complicated and
indirect. With the electrochemical cells, all else being equal, output is
somewhat proportional to input because high input boosts high loading which in
turn boosts the heat. But
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