Re: [Vo]:People who will not do their homework do not deserve a response

2011-11-14 Thread Craig Haynie
On Sun, 2011-11-13 at 16:20 -0800, Mary Yugo wrote: It's also possible that cold fusion occurs in nature, and through the eons, the copper we see around us is the product of the same reaction. What reaction is that? The reaction inside Rossi's reactor...

[Vo]:The E-cat in the Catholic Press

2011-11-14 Thread Peter Gluck
see please: http://www.ncregister.com/blog/the-machine-that-changes-everything/ -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

[Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

2011-11-14 Thread David ledin
Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released. http://www.defkalion-energy.com/files/DGT_PRESS%20RELEASE_2011-11-14.pdf

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

2011-11-14 Thread peter . heckert
- Original Nachricht Von: David ledin mathematic.analy...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Datum: 14.11.2011 14:04 Betreff: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released. Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

2011-11-14 Thread Robert Leguillon
This may be pointing to the earlier theory (purely supposition): Rossi really improved Ni-H technology. His reactions were hard to keep stable, so he kept tuning it down to keep it stable. When it was 100% stable, he'd actually turned it off and was only producing reactions that could be

RE: [Vo]:Let Rossi Be Rossi?

2011-11-14 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Hear, hear! Jed: I have had it with Mary Yugo. I think Mary Yugo is a good addition to this list. Mary Yugo's skepticism is better than excusing Rossi's odd behaviour on the grounds that he must be an eccentric genius. We hear, hear what we want to believe in. It would appear that

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

2011-11-14 Thread peter . heckert
- Original Nachricht Von: Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Datum: 14.11.2011 14:54 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released. This may be pointing to the earlier theory (purely supposition): Rossi really

Re: [Vo]:Let Rossi Be Rossi?

2011-11-14 Thread Rich Murray
I am impressed that so many Vorts support Mary Yugo's participation... that's proof of balanced, fairly civil discussion... diarrhea or constipation of thought, that is the question... ? On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 5:56 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: Hear,

Re: [Vo]:Let Rossi Be Rossi?

2011-11-14 Thread Rich Murray
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/11/10/nasa-engineer-explains-why-rossi-demos-failed/ ...Brian Ahern, a researcher with expertise in LENR, wrote to *New Energy Times* with a concise summary of the recent Oct. 28 Rossi demo: “Rossi has been clever enough to change the trick on each successive

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

2011-11-14 Thread Roarty, Francis X
David, Defkalion's product does NOT need Rossi or his secret sauce, they can model from the same work by Piantelli's that Rossi used as a starting point. Recent reports say that Piantelli has significantly increased his energy density and then there are similar reports from Milley. Even

Re: [Vo]:Let Rossi Be Rossi?

2011-11-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
This thread is full of strawman arguments. No one is defending Rossi's behavior, least of all me. We are saying: His claims can be evaluated independently of his behavior, based strictly on the laws of physics. This is true even though his experimental techniques are sloppy. His business

[Vo]:Companies at this address in Glyfada

2011-11-14 Thread Jones Beene
Xanthou 3, Glyfada 16674, Greece (Defkalion’s address in Greece) … according to google maps, other companies sharing this address: Agrofenix Trading Ltd http://maps.google.com/maps/place?cid=17475156834372860245q=Xanthou+3,+Gly fada+16674,+Greecehl=encd=1cad=src:pplinkei=sy3BTtq3E5SqpATGsu2_BA ‎

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

2011-11-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote: IMHO Defkallion should make their own powder, I don't give Rossi's micro tubules have any great advantage over the nano powders of other researchers. As far as I know, Rossi's powder is much better than anyone else's. It is far ahead of

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

2011-11-14 Thread Terry Blanton
Can't be sure of what we are seeing; but, it could be a Rossi-type Reactor. Good to see they are working in stainless steel instead of copper. T

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

2011-11-14 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
From Terry: Can't be sure of what we are seeing; but, it could be a Rossi-type Reactor.  Good to see they are working in stainless steel instead of copper. I agree. Makes me wonder if DGT has had a chance to notice any unexpected isotopic shifts. Actually, DGT might not yet have had enough

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

2011-11-14 Thread Terry Blanton
Should I sent SK a link to the press release? eg T

Re: [Vo]:a modest proposal

2011-11-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
jmp jmp crossection...@yahoo.com mailto:crossection...@yahoo.com wrote: First, the part about forget Rossi: I think Rossi has been an enormous time/talent sink with no benefit to the LENR field. Arguably, he's set the field back quite a lot. That is preposterous. He has made more

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

2011-11-14 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 10:47 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: I agree. Makes me wonder if DGT has had a chance to notice any unexpected isotopic shifts. Actually, DGT might not yet have had enough time to run the reactors long enough to make such a

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

2011-11-14 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
From Terry, Should I sent SK a link to the press release?  eg Certainly! Investigative reporters should always endeavor to read the latest reports regardless of their origins. ...shouldn't they??? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:Was it ever detected isotopes with medium half lives in transmutations

2011-11-14 Thread fznidarsic
Miley's comments recorded on my web site from the 1990's http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/wright.html -Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Nov 13, 2011 7:05 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Was it ever detected isotopes with medium

Re: [Vo]:a modest proposal

2011-11-14 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Asking her to evaluate this would be like asking me to review a performance of the Metropolitan Opera. I do not know the first thing about music and I have never listened to the Metropolitan Opera. When the fat lady

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

2011-11-14 Thread Jones Beene
Heck, SK might be inclined to catch the next flight out ... since he can still save-face with this story, if he gets it right this time - even if he was generally wrong about Rossi. After all, Glyfada ... a.k.a. the Beverly Hills of Greece is an upscale suburb of Athens - home to many of Greece's

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

2011-11-14 Thread Jones Beene
Of note: The gas cylinder is blue - indicating nitrous oxide. Heck, that could be what Rossi has been huffing, no? Hydrogen bottles should have a red shoulder. Perhaps the bottle is simply not up to spec, or perhaps they flush with nitrous. Different countries have different gas color codes

[Vo]:Fwd: Rossi business strategy

2011-11-14 Thread Marcello Vitale
I would like to make some hypothesis about the business strategy Rossi might be pursuing. This is an interesting question regardless of whether the technology he presents is True or False, whether it works or it doesn’t, that is regardless of whether he is truthful or a scammer. In short, I’d like

Re: [Vo]:a modest proposal

2011-11-14 Thread Peter Gluck
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: jmp jmp crossection...@yahoo.com wrote: First, the part about forget Rossi: I think Rossi has been an enormous time/talent sink with no benefit to the LENR field. Arguably, he's set the field back quite a lot.

Re: [Vo]: Rossi Deserves Our Gratitude

2011-11-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
Well said! I agree completely. - Jed

[Vo]:Chinese Nazca?

2011-11-14 Thread Terry Blanton
What the heck is this? http://maps.google.com/maps?q=40.452107,93.742118hl=dell=40.447764,93.744299spn=0.005201,0.010107num=1t=hvpsrc=6z=17 T

Re: [Vo]:Chinese Nazca?

2011-11-14 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Terry sez: What the heck is this? http://maps.google.com/maps?q=40.452107,93.742118hl=dell=40.447764,93.744299spn=0.005201,0.010107num=1t=hvpsrc=6z=17 Good Grief! The Chinese invented Duct Tape too Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]: Rossi Deserves Our Gratitude

2011-11-14 Thread Mary Yugo
So let’s show a little more appreciation and compassion toward the guy that got the ball rolling. His business plans might cause him to be eclipsed by a more professional organization now that the door has been cracked open but I will always remember what Mr. Rossi has accomplished no

[Vo]:Rossi might get a comprehensive patent

2011-11-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: However, others are trying to develop powder, and they may be catching up. . . . [Various people] wish to reverse engineer the powder and develop a new type not beholden to Rossi. They may be able to do this outside of Italy, where Rossi has no patent. Or perhaps inside Italy

Re: [Vo]: Rossi Deserves Our Gratitude

2011-11-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Nobody can prove *convincingly* that Rossi's E-cat works as he says he does. Except people with a junior high level knowledge of physics, or anyone who has ever cooked a large pot of stew. All of this is entirely Rossi's fault. And all that he has

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

2011-11-14 Thread Mary Yugo
Well, considering Defkalion claimed to be setting up for making hundreds of Hyperions per year in the first quarter of next year, and claimed without evidence that they had submitted applications to the Greek authorities for permits to test and sell the devices, this is pretty disappointing. My

Re: [Vo]:Chinese Nazca?

2011-11-14 Thread Terry Blanton
http://gizmodo.com/5859081/why-is-china-building-these-gigantic-structures-in-the-middle-of-the-desert

Re: [Vo]:a modest proposal

2011-11-14 Thread Mary Yugo
All of the doubts are from the peanut gallery on the Internet, especially people such as Mary Yugo. She says she knows nothing about cold fusion, so obviously she cannot judge. Asking her to evaluate this would be like asking me to review a performance of the Metropolitan Opera. I do not know

Re: [Vo]:a modest proposal

2011-11-14 Thread Mary Yugo
Re Mary Yugo, I am reading only what she tells about Rossi and the E-cat, not LENR or CF. Simple and completely correct. Proof of Rossi has nothing to do with LENR or CF. Thanks, Peter

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

2011-11-14 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Of note: The gas cylinder is blue - indicating nitrous oxide. Ammonium nitrate is good for something more than fertilizer and bombs. If you heat it to a liquid form and boil the liquid with a magnetic stirrer, the compound

Re: [Vo]:Chinese Nazca?

2011-11-14 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Wow, that really cleared things up! Thanks, Terry! On 11-11-14 01:28 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: http://gizmodo.com/5859081/why-is-china-building-these-gigantic-structures-in-the-middle-of-the-desert

Re: [Vo]:a modest proposal

2011-11-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Re Mary Yugo, I am reading only what she tells about Rossi and the E-cat, not LENR or CF. Simple and completely correct. Proof of Rossi has nothing to do with LENR or CF. Rossi and Defkalion would like you to think so. Rossi's patent attorney, in the

Re: [Vo]: Rossi Deserves Our Gratitude

2011-11-14 Thread Vorl Bek
The fact that he has been able to do this despite rabid opposition and countless baseless accusations by people like you makes the accomplishment all the more remarkable. I can't see why suggesting that Rossi let an independent lab test his device is 'rabid opposition and countless baseless

Re: [Vo]: Rossi Deserves Our Gratitude

2011-11-14 Thread David Roberson
Let me understand. You think that the world would have been better off without the contributions of Rossi? So who would have advanced us this far this quickly? You need to realize that no one else was moving as far and fast as Rossi. Dave -Original Message- From: Mary Yugo

Re: [Vo]: Rossi Deserves Our Gratitude

2011-11-14 Thread Axil Axil
To me, Rossi’s actions are entirely understandable given the nascent state of his invention. In the very early stages of development, a presenter at a sales demo will emphasize what works and try to hide what doesn’t work well. I confess I have done this myself. It is the job of the audience to

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

2011-11-14 Thread David Roberson
I have followed your suggestions for several months now. You have made the point that Defkalion should show you anything at all. Why do you now argue about them fulfilling your request? You should be satisfied. -Original Message- From: Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com To: vortex-l

Re: [Vo]: Rossi Deserves Our Gratitude

2011-11-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote: The fact that he has been able to do this despite rabid opposition and countless baseless accusations by people like you makes the accomplishment all the more remarkable. I can't see why suggesting that Rossi let an independent lab test his device

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

2011-11-14 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 11:43 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: I have followed your suggestions for several months now. You have made the point that Defkalion should show you anything at all. Why do you now argue about them fulfilling your request? You should be satisfied.

Re: [Vo]:Chinese Nazca?

2011-11-14 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote: Wow, that really cleared things up!  Thanks, Terry! Hey, I'm not sufferin' this all by myself. I need help. T

Re: [Vo]:a modest proposal

2011-11-14 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: You seem to believe that Rossi owes you an explanation. He dislikes you intenslyas a member of the chattering class and will not be affected by your demands for proof. Rossi will cooperate with his cu stomers up to a

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

2011-11-14 Thread Mary Yugo
Whatever they do, you will demand more, and more, and more. You will move the goalposts down the field, out of the stadium, out of the parking lot . . . I am asking the same I always asked. They provided one tiny part of it. And a very weak one. They announced they will soon provide more

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

2011-11-14 Thread David Roberson
I refer to your posts on the Defkalion site. You repeated a million times (maybe a few less) that they should show you anything at all. That was your desire for many posts and now they have done what you requested. Now, you need to let the world know that they did what you begged them to do

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

2011-11-14 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 12:25 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: I refer to your posts on the Defkalion site. You repeated a million times (maybe a few less) that they should show you anything at all. That was your desire for many posts and now they have done what you requested.

[Vo]:Cold fusion, heat from primary energy consumption, and global warming

2011-11-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
From time to time, someone asks me about these issues. For example, someone sent me this comment from a discussion group, and asked how it might be addressed: . . . global warming is about HEAT - atmospheric gasses like co2 ch4 tend to cause the atmosphere to retain more of it - however, even if

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

2011-11-14 Thread Axil Axil
“I have seen nothing to suggest it and I would be careful not to base any decision whatever on it.” Both Rossi and Defkalion are doing their best to keep all the decision making in their own hands and out of the hands of their propagandist detractors. On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Mary Yugo

Re: [Vo]:a modest proposal

2011-11-14 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: And even Jed Rothwell said the guy probably lies frequently and elaborately! I don't recall Rothwell saying that Rossi lies. T

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

2011-11-14 Thread Mary Yugo
Both Rossi and Defkalion are doing their best to keep all the decision making in their own hands and out of the hands of their propagandist detractors. Could you be kind enough to define propagandist detractors and how it applies to the discussion of scientific claims? I can sort of guess

Re: [Vo]: Rossi Deserves Our Gratitude

2011-11-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: You keep saying the results of Rossi's demos were obvious but there is continuing disagreement over that from very smart people so you could be wrong. I do not know any very smart people who say this. All of the scientists I know who have examined the

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

2011-11-14 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-11-14 03:33 PM, Mary Yugo wrote: Defkalion showed a few blurry images of some lab equipment. Oh, come now. The second photo, labeled Hyperion in assembly, is actually quite sharp. It's low resolution, nothing's labeled, nothing's explained, and, if the thing really is in

Re: [Vo]:a modest proposal

2011-11-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: I don't recall Rothwell saying that Rossi lies. Because I never did say that. I said repeatedly that as far as I know, he always tells the truth about engineering technical details. Mind your, the list of his statements we compiled includes some

Re: [Vo]:Was it ever detected isotopes with medium half lives in transmutations

2011-11-14 Thread mixent
In reply to Daniel Rocha's message of Mon, 14 Nov 2011 01:02:43 -0200: Hi, [snip] Before seeing it, I am referring to transmutations of cold fusion. I wonder why such isotopes haven't been seen, as far as I could search the literature. Not finding such isotopes would be a sort of Huizenga's 4th

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

2011-11-14 Thread Mary Yugo
. Oh, come now. The second photo, labeled Hyperion in assembly, is actually quite sharp It's low resolution, nothing's labeled, nothing's explained, and, if the thing really is in assembly, then the reason it's already hooked up to a big blue gas-tank-looking thing is not entirely clear,

Re: [Vo]:a modest proposal

2011-11-14 Thread Mary Yugo
I suspect he practices misdirection ... We agree. I think his entire performance at the demos consists mostly of misdirection.

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

2011-11-14 Thread Robert Leguillon
Defkalion wasn't obligated to release anything. The pictures do show that they were working on the product, and appeared to have invested more into it than a few pipes and elbows. This news is great, because it lends a lot more credence to their claims that more information will be forthcoming.

Re: [Vo]:a modest proposal

2011-11-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo wrote: I suspect he practices misdirection ... We agree. I think his entire performance at the demos consists mostly of misdirection. Even if that were true, a 30 L vessel of water cannot remain at boiling temperature for 4 hours, so we can be sure the claims are true.

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

2011-11-14 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-11-14 04:34 PM, Robert Leguillon wrote: Defkalion wasn't obligated to release anything. The pictures do show that they were working on the product, and appeared to have invested more into it than a few pipes and elbows. This news is great, because it lends a lot more credence to their

Re: [Vo]:Rossi might get a comprehensive patent

2011-11-14 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 14.11.2011 19:42, schrieb Jed Rothwell: I wrote: However, others are trying to develop powder, and they may be catching up. . . . Yes. At the Max planck institute they research possibilities to use metal hydride powders as a nightly solar heat store. Under distinct conditions

Re: [Vo]:a modest proposal

2011-11-14 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
From Jed: ... Many skeptics do not seem to understand this distinction. They look at the factors a college instructor would cite in grading an lab exercise: neatness, correct use of instruments, documentation, exposition, positioning of thermocouples, and other did-you-follow-the-textbook

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

2011-11-14 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote: It's no doubt a less frustrating exercise than trying to label all the knobs and doo-dads on the Crimson Dynamo's spiffy red suit, but that's about the best I could say for the exercise. Far less frustrating to label

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

2011-11-14 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 10:54 AM 11/14/2011, Mary Yugo wrote: Absent specifications and independent test results, it's all pure guesswork! On this one I agree with you ... absent even a witnessed demonstration.

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

2011-11-14 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 11:59 AM 11/14/2011, Mary Yugo wrote: hey also said they would soon make a megawatt plant and give the excess heat to the Police Academy **this winter**. It's almost winter. How soon people forget. U ... on this one I don't. The 1MW the were planning to use is the one they intended

Re: [Vo]: Rossi Deserves Our Gratitude

2011-11-14 Thread Joshua Cude
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: I do not know any very smart people who say this. That's because anyone who says it is automatically defined by you as not very smart; it's a tautology. But Peter Ekstrom says it, and so do a dozen or more people

Re: [Vo]:a modest proposal

2011-11-14 Thread Joshua Cude
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Even if that were true, a 30 L vessel of water cannot remain at boiling temperature for 4 hours, Why not? If it's perfectly insulated it can stay at boiling temperature indefinitely. It all depends on the rate that

Re: [Vo]:Chinese Nazca?

2011-11-14 Thread fznidarsic
I saw that picture in this movie. It defeated the enemy. http://www.startrek.com/database_article/i-borg Frank Znidarsic -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Nov 14, 2011 10:07 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Chinese Nazca? On

[Vo]:A big company makes a public bid for an ecat.

2011-11-14 Thread Daniel Rocha
Charlie Sutherland November 14th, 2011 at 10:36 AM Dear Mr. Rossi, We make GREEN detergents and are growing even in these dangerous economic times. My company relies on GREEN technology and a GREEN aware customer base. Our customer distribution reaches all 50 states and several countries in

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

2011-11-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
This document is unprofessional. The photographs should have captions, like the ones in the Scientific American or a trade magazine. A caption should tell the reader what this is, and what the significance of it is. Like so: An reactor (nn cm x nn cm x nn cm). On the left is a canister of

Re: [Vo]:Let Rossi Be Rossi?

2011-11-14 Thread Charles Hope
Granted that Rossi is producing anomalous heat, nevertheless absolutely everything else about this story stinks to high heaven. The conundrum which nobody can decipher is why someone with a real effect, or a scammer, would operate in such a bizarre manner. The only conclusion left is that the

Re: [Vo]:a modest proposal

2011-11-14 Thread Charles Hope
On Nov 14, 2011, at 14:04, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: My working theory on why he behaves that way is that he's scamming. There are two problems with that. He's shifty and does not inspire confidence. He's not taking all the money he's being offered.

[Vo]:This forum is not a supermarket checkout line tabloid

2011-11-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: They did not say they had a prototype lab. They said they had a factory. Do you have evidence they do not? Oh come on! YOU know better than THAT! Like it's my job to disprove their extravagant claims? Many companies do have factories, so this

Re: [Vo]:Cold fusion, heat from primary energy consumption, and global warming

2011-11-14 Thread Alan J Fletcher
That reminds me ... about a month ago you put up a DOE (?) report with lots of charts about energy usage. But I can't find it in my vortex files or on lenr-cad. (I don't know if there's a name for that kind of chart .. a bit like the famous Napoleon chart, showing the energy flow divided up

Re: [Vo]:Let Rossi Be Rossi?

2011-11-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
Charles Hope lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com wrote: Granted that Rossi is producing anomalous heat, nevertheless absolutely everything else about this story stinks to high heaven. Except the fundamental physics, and the fact that a 30 L poorly insulated vessel of water cannot stay at boiling

Re: [Vo]:Chinese Nazca?

2011-11-14 Thread Man on Bridges
Hi, On 14-11-2011 19:28, Terry Blanton wrote: http://gizmodo.com/5859081/why-is-china-building-these-gigantic-structures-in-the-middle-of-the-desert Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aksai_Chin The etymology of Aksai Chin is uncertain regarding the word Chin. As a word of Turk

Re: [Vo]:A big company makes a public bid for an ecat.

2011-11-14 Thread Frank Acland
Not exactly a big company, but a legitimate one. http://www.manta.com/c/mmjrhjq/sutherland-products-inc http://www.charliesoap.com/ On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Charlie Sutherland November 14th, 2011 at 10:36 AM Dear Mr. Rossi, We make GREEN

Re: [Vo]:Swedish Radio : advertising a scam ?

2011-11-14 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 11:10 PM 11/12/2011, Mary Yugo wrote: On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 6:39 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: I'm beginning to see why you've been banned from so many forums. Sorry, I don't keep track. How many was that and which ones if you know? And were they all run by fervent believers

Re: [Vo]:Let Rossi Be Rossi?

2011-11-14 Thread Charles Hope
On Nov 14, 2011, at 20:12, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Charles Hope lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com wrote: Rossi can be devious, but I have not seen any evidence that he lies about engineering data. Except that you wrote Mind you, the list of his statements we compiled

Re: [Vo]:Swedish Radio : advertising a scam ?

2011-11-14 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 8:41 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: My apologies : I was confusing you with Stella_Nokia  (eg on Defkalion). (But who can blame me? ) I'm pretty sure they are sisters. :) T

Re: [Vo]:Cold fusion, heat from primary energy consumption, and global warming

2011-11-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: (I don't know if there's a name for that kind of chart .. a bit like the famous Napoleon chart, showing the energy flow divided up into various uses. For those unfamiliar with this, the Napoleon chart is a *masterpiece* of statistical graphics. See:

Re: [Vo]: Rossi Deserves Our Gratitude

2011-11-14 Thread Rich Murray
Here is the most pertinent, irrefutable, entirely simple and obvious, technical objection: Jed Rothwell: In the last year I have not seen a a single valid technical objection to Rossi's claims. Joshua Cude: No. Your problem is that you don't understand the valid technical objections. You

Re: [Vo]:Let Rossi Be Rossi?

2011-11-14 Thread Joshua Cude
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Except the fundamental physics, and the fact that a 30 L poorly insulated vessel of water cannot stay at boiling temperature for 4 hours. It most certainly can, if it weighs 100 kg, and consists in part of fire brick,

Re: [Vo]:This forum is not a supermarket checkout line tabloid

2011-11-14 Thread Mary Yugo
Many companies do have factories, so this claim is not extravagant. It is quite the normal thing for an industrial company to have a factory. Yes it is but most factories have addresses you can check and visit. And very few, last I looked, make NUCLEAR FUSION REACTORS. And even fewer of

Re: [Vo]:This forum is not a supermarket checkout line tabloid

2011-11-14 Thread Esa Ruoho
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 4:03 AM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: I think Bill Beaty should ask you to stop. Although some enjoy my sarcastic humor, I have stopped doing it after the complaints. You're the only one. who enjoys your sarcastic put-down-type humor. You even call it

Re: [Vo]:Let Rossi Be Rossi?

2011-11-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
Charles Hope lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com wrote: Rossi can be devious, but I have not seen *any* evidence that he lies about engineering data. Except that you wrote Mind you, the list of his statements we compiled includes some diametrically opposite assertions:

Re: [Vo]:Let Rossi Be Rossi?

2011-11-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: Except the fundamental physics, and the fact that a 30 L poorly insulated vessel of water cannot stay at boiling temperature for 4 hours. It most certainly can, if it weighs 100 kg, and consists in part of fire brick, or something similar, and

Re: [Vo]:Swedish Radio : advertising a scam ?

2011-11-14 Thread Mary Yugo
My apologies : I was confusing you with Stella_Nokia (eg on Defkalion). No worries. For what it's worth, I can assure you I am not she. Stella_Nokia is another pseudonym for the person who writes more often as Alsetalokin and Tinsel Koala. He's someone who's worked in physics and

Re: [Vo]:This forum is not a supermarket checkout line tabloid

2011-11-14 Thread Mary Yugo
You're the only one. who enjoys your sarcastic put-down-type humor. You even call it humor. I think you're such a staunch believer that your feelings get hurt when anyone suggests Rossi may be scamming and makes fun of him. Others have written me privately to approve of the humor and have

[Vo]:Let Rossi Be Rossi?

2011-11-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
This may be a double posting . . . Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: Except the fundamental physics, and the fact that a 30 L poorly insulated vessel of water cannot stay at boiling temperature for 4 hours. It most certainly can, if it weighs 100 kg, and consists in part of fire

Re: [Vo]:Let Rossi Be Rossi?

2011-11-14 Thread Mary Yugo
Granted that Rossi is producing anomalous heat, nevertheless absolutely everything else about this story stinks to high heaven. The conundrum which nobody can decipher is why someone with a real effect, or a scammer, would operate in such a bizarre manner. The only conclusion left is that the

Re: [Vo]:Let Rossi Be Rossi?

2011-11-14 Thread Mary Yugo
Except the fundamental physics, and the fact that a 30 L poorly insulated vessel of water cannot stay at boiling temperature for 4 hours. I disagree that the large E-cat module was ever properly inspected. For sure, nobody saw what was inside the finned rectangular portion in the interior.

Re: [Vo]:Swedish Radio : advertising a scam ?

2011-11-14 Thread Daniel Rocha
Isn't the CEO of Earthtech this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_E._Puthoff It seems that the most mainstream research he ever did was cold fusion, heh. 2011/11/15 Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com My apologies : I was confusing you with Stella_Nokia (eg on Defkalion). No worries.

Re: [Vo]:This forum is not a supermarket checkout line tabloid

2011-11-14 Thread Esa Ruoho
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 4:16 AM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: I find much about Rossi laughable and the whole ongoing story is immensely amusing. That's true regardless of how it turns out. Well, the design of the website is certainly laughable. It totally conforms with all the other

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

2011-11-14 Thread Harry Veeder
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Both Rossi and Defkalion are doing their best to keep all the decision making in their own hands and out of the hands of their propagandist detractors. Could you be kind enough to define propagandist detractors and how it

Re: [Vo]:Let Rossi Be Rossi?

2011-11-14 Thread Joshua Cude
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: Except the fundamental physics, and the fact that a 30 L poorly insulated vessel of water cannot stay at boiling temperature for 4 hours. It most certainly can, if it weighs

Re: [Vo]:This forum is not a supermarket checkout line tabloid

2011-11-14 Thread Mary Yugo
I'd be interested in running a gig PA with that smaller generator of his. Then I'd know it's all useful. I still can't believe that none of these people ever organize a plug your phone in here to charge it type demonstrations. It's always good to have them do something understandable, some

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

2011-11-14 Thread Mary Yugo
You have the attitude of a hostile witness. My unicorns make me testy. They're invisible and keep playing mean tricks on me.

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