Re: [Vo]:Domestic LENR steam/electricity front end

2011-12-06 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
On 12/6/2011 6:02 PM, Alain dit le Cycliste wrote: from your experience, what are the relative merit/domain of - piston/rotative steam engine (like the one people talk here) Simple, low cost, easy to repair / maintain and can work with the steam pressure generated by the primary circuit of the

[Vo]: Of Rydberg and Radiofrequencies...

2011-12-06 Thread Mark Iverson
Leif Holmlid Precision bond lengths for Rydberg Matter clusters Kn (N = 19, 37, 61 and 91) in excitation levels n = 4 - 8 from rotational radio-frequency emission spectra The Rf frequencies involved are less than 100Mhz. certainly within the realm of the RF generator used in one of

RE: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-06 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
I never said it was 'exotic'. And I never attempted to explain something as simply claiming it was a resonant phenomenon. Stop putting words in my mouth. This whole discussion started with your statement: Resonance is very much a part of brute force physics. In what way? Explain.

Re: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-06 Thread Joshua Cude
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 2:13 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: I never said it was ‘exotic’… And I never attempted to explain something as simply claiming it was a resonant phenomenon… Stop putting words in my mouth. This whole discussion started with your

Re: [Vo]:Domestic LENR steam/electricity front end

2011-12-06 Thread Robert Lynn
As someone who has worked on, and has a number of patents on Z-Crank type engines I would not recommend buying one of these green steam engines. The design/construction appears to emphasise appearance over function and doesn't look like it will operate reliably for more than 10-100 hours. In

RE: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-06 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
Of course resonance is simple physics, and is the foundation for all 'flavors' of spectroscopies, however, that is NOT what I was referring to when I used resonance in this statement, You are reasoning from the physics of brute force, which is all that nuclear physicists know. The physics of

Re: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-06 Thread Joshua Cude
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 3:35 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: I would have thought with my clear statements about using extremely intense magnetic fields and smashing particles head on at extremely high velocities, it would have been obvious that I was referring to

Re: [Vo]:Domestic LENR steam/electricity front end

2011-12-06 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
We have asked them for their FEA stress analysis data and for how long they have had an engine running continuously at max load. This company appears to have licensed the 6 cylinder / 25 HP engine, and have a few interesting videos: www.steamenginepower.com

Re: [Vo]:Domestic LENR steam/electricity front end

2011-12-06 Thread Colin Hercus
Could you have a problem with the 30kWH of excess heat. It seems a bit much to get rid of for space heating and hot water especially in a suburban situation. I was also looking a FIT rate in Australia and it seems you can get money back from the power company. Could you do this for ecat power?

[Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

2011-12-06 Thread Peter Gluck
The Physics of why the e-Cat's Cold Fusion Claims Collapsehttp://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2011/12/the_nuclear_physics_of_why_we.php

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

2011-12-06 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-12-06 14:44, Peter Gluck wrote: http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2011/12/the_nuclear_physics_of_why_we.php?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=Feed%3A+ScienceblogsChannelEnvironment+%28ScienceBlogs+Channel+%3A+Environment%29

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

2011-12-06 Thread Peter Gluck
A few good demos could make the skeptics to swallow their poisonous words and to shut up. I hope eventually these demos will happen. Now I hope they will happen at Defkalion. Peter On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: The Physics of why the e-Cat's Cold

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

2011-12-06 Thread Berke Durak
Skeptics? Can we please stop calling these people skeptics. I am a skeptic. This is not skepticism. This is dogmatism. We are the skeptics. We are skeptical of official dogma that says that hundreds of scientists are incompetent, frauds or self-deluded and that you can't produce energy from

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

2011-12-06 Thread Alain dit le Cycliste
there are interesting theoretical arguments. If they are right it means that all Ni+H experiments are fraud, not only e-cat and hyperions. this is an all or nothing argument, for NiH reactions. about their (seems good) stellar argument, that nickel cannot transmute to copper in star for

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

2011-12-06 Thread Roarty, Francis X
On Tuesday 12/6/11 Alain wrote [snip] I can add few excuse. -first of all the current isotopic ration of Ni might be the consequence of an equlibrium reaction, in a very hot system, under neutron flux...-second, it seems that the shape of the metal lattice (surface, temperature), and some other

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

2011-12-06 Thread Mary Yugo
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 6:15 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: A few good demos could make the skeptics to swallow their poisonous words and to shut up. I hope eventually these demos will happen. Now I hope they will happen at Defkalion. Peter One can be, at the same time,

Re: [Vo]: Of Rydberg and Radiofrequencies...

2011-12-06 Thread Axil Axil
Is there a connection? There is a connection. The purpose of the RF generator is to maintain Rydberg Matter excitation for as long as possible during the self-sustain mode when the internal heater is shut down. During self-sustain mode no additional Rydberg matter is produced by the internal

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

2011-12-06 Thread Peter Gluck
I was speaking specifically about the article, its logic is poisonous, typical post-logical thinking and mixing points of view. Influential skeptics, on other hand are poisoning the funding sources of New Energy. But if you wish, I can retract 'poisonous' I am just writing an essay about Rossi.

[Vo]:MSNBC reports on Rossi visit to Massachusetts

2011-12-06 Thread Harry Veeder
Idea of a cold fusion plant in Massachusetts explored Italian investor meets with scientists, state officials to pitch controversial technology http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45557227/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/idea-cold-fusion-plant-massachusetts-explored/#.Tt3c0lbbDRQ harry

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

2011-12-06 Thread Ahsoka Tano
Ethan Siegel is suggesting a rigged power cord to explain the self sustained heat observation: In fact, the entire observed effect of having your system continue to generate heat even after it's been turned off is remarkably simple to rig. Possible? rigged power cord: http://db.tt/RFOa0EAa On

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

2011-12-06 Thread Mary Yugo
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 8:10 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: But if you wish, I can retract 'poisonous' Well, it's just that it doesn't fit most skeptical criticism of Rossi any more than does snake or clown with which Rossi is so fond of labeling people. I am just writing an

Re: [Vo]:Codeposition of Ni/H

2011-12-06 Thread Axil Axil
There are three basic things that must be accomplished to make an E-Cat design successful. - High hydrogen packing into nickel nano-powder. - Strong Coulomb barrier masking. - Gamma Radiation thermalization, mitigation, and prevention. Industry standard electrodeposition of Ni

Re: [Vo]: Of Rydberg and Radiofrequencies...

2011-12-06 Thread Mary Yugo
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 7:59 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a connection? There is a connection. The purpose of the RF generator is to maintain Rydberg Matter excitation for as long as possible during the self-sustain mode when the internal heater is shut down. Wouldn't

RE: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

2011-12-06 Thread Robert Leguillon
No, that simple scenario is not possible. If you ran the circuit backwards, the current would not change; if you switched wires the ammeter would read zero, which it never has (it always showed the current for the controls and/or radio frequency generator). Unfortunately, the input power is

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

2011-12-06 Thread Mary Yugo
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 8:43 AM, Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote: No, that simple scenario is not possible. If you ran the circuit backwards, the current would not change; if you switched wires the ammeter would read zero, which it never has (it always showed the current

Re: [Vo]:MSNBC reports on Rossi visit to Massachusetts

2011-12-06 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 08:17 AM 12/6/2011, Harry Veeder wrote: Idea of a cold fusion plant in Massachusetts explored http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45557227/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/idea-cold-fusion-plant-massachusetts-explored/#.Tt3c0lbbDRQ Life's little mysteries has been covering Rossi intermittently,

Re: [Vo]:MSNBC reports on Rossi visit to Massachusetts

2011-12-06 Thread Mary Yugo
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: Some might find this concept creepy. More like silly -- unless they burn corpses day and night for years, they're not going to recover very much energy and there are better, cleaner sources. They shouldn't burn the bodies

Re: [Vo]:MSNBC reports on Rossi visit to Massachusetts

2011-12-06 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 09:26 AM 12/6/2011, Mary Yugo wrote:They shouldn't burn the bodies -- better to make Soylent Green. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soylent_Green The same article also links to : Eat the Old: Could Mass Cannibalism Solve a Future Food Shortage?

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

2011-12-06 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 08:37 AM 12/6/2011, Mary Yugo wrote: By the way, the article has an interesting way of cheating the power-in measurement. See the last figure. I don't think Rossi does this but I can't rule it out. In the photos, the line cord is taken apart and the wire being measured looks like it's a

Re: [Vo]: Of Rydberg and Radiofrequencies...

2011-12-06 Thread Axil Axil
Your suggestion may be possible when a automated fail safe control system is developed (maybe by National instruments) to provide some sort of negative feedback control on heat output. IMHO, until such controls are put in place, a runaway meltdown using the strategy you suggest is likely at some

Re: [Vo]:MSNBC reports on Rossi visit to Massachusetts

2011-12-06 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: More like silly -- unless they burn corpses day and night for years, they're not going to recover very much energy and there are better, cleaner sources.   They shouldn't burn the bodies -- better to make Soylent Green. And

RE: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-06 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
JC: Thx for the explanations, relevant or not, however, I still think that the discussion wandered from my initial point, which was, given proper conditions, one can disrupt the natural balance within a nucleus and cause unexpected results using much lower levels of energy by using resonance

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

2011-12-06 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:44 AM 12/6/2011, Peter Gluck wrote: The Physics of why the e-Cat's Cold Fusion Claims Collapse

RE: [Vo]: Of Rydberg and Radiofrequencies...

2011-12-06 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
In addition, the RF would have a near instantaneous effect, whereas Mary's suggestion would have a very significant time-lag. thus, as Axil pointed out, a much greater likelihood of runaway. From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 9:36 AM To:

Re: [Vo]: Of Rydberg and Radiofrequencies...

2011-12-06 Thread Mary Yugo
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: In addition, the RF would have a near instantaneous effect, whereas Mary’s suggestion would have a very significant time-lag… thus, as Axil pointed out, a much greater likelihood of runaway. It's doubtful

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

2011-12-06 Thread David Roberson
I suggest that the fact that the current into the resistive heater elements was measured also eliminates this kind of magic. Dave -Original Message- From: Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Dec 6, 2011 11:38 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:a long paper

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

2011-12-06 Thread Ahsoka Tano
Authors of the article The Physics of why the e-Cat's Cold Fusion Claims Collapse : *Ethan Siegel http://www.facebook.com/people/Ethan-Siegel/1207789153 is a theoretical

Re: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-06 Thread Joshua Cude
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: JC: Thx for the explanations, relevant or not, however, I still think that the discussion wandered from my initial point, which was, given proper conditions, one can disrupt the natural balance within a

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

2011-12-06 Thread Mary Yugo
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 10:24 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: I suggest that the fact that the current into the resistive heater elements was measured also eliminates this kind of magic. I don't believe that was ever done. It probably doesn't matter but if anyone knows of it

Re: [Vo]: Of Rydberg and Radiofrequencies...

2011-12-06 Thread Axil Axil
“It's doubtful that Rossi exhibited anything that would have enough RF power to melt down the core in all the E-cats in the megawatt plant at once. Where would he store that much power?” I humbly submit in a simplified example, the RF generator is like an antenna connected to a radio, but not as

RE: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

2011-12-06 Thread Robert Leguillon
For the simple wire-swap to have occurred, you would really need binary power states of on and off. In the September and early October tests, as the power was never zero, you would have to get more creative to explain the non-zero amperage observed for the power controller and frequency

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

2011-12-06 Thread David Roberson
Mary, there are measurements conducted throughout the test of October 6. See the attached: http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3284962.ece/BINARY/Test+of+E-cat+October+6+%28pdf%29 Dave -Original Message- From: Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent:

RE: [Vo]: Of Rydberg and Radiofrequencies...

2011-12-06 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
Mary, I seriously doubt that the RF generator is being used for inductive heating. We obviously don't have an explanation as to the exact effect the RFG is having, but if it is having an effect, then it's likely not for direct heating. a few possibilities are, the 'breathing' that McKubre

Re: [Vo]:Codeposition of Ni/H

2011-12-06 Thread James Bowery
Uh, I'm not talking about the E-Cat. I'm talking about a huge industry with a long history. On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: There are three basic things that must be accomplished to make an E-Cat design successful. - High hydrogen packing into

Re: [Vo]:Codeposition of Ni/H

2011-12-06 Thread James Bowery
A Google search for nickel plating comes up with nearly 3 millions hitshttps://www.google.com/search?gcx=csourceid=chromeie=UTF-8q=nickel+plating . There is going to be a LOT of codeposition of hydrogen with nickel going on in the enormous RD base of this enormous industry. Why hasn't anyone

[Vo]:LENR-CANR Theory Papers

2011-12-06 Thread Alan J Fletcher
I've just finished a marathon multi-day session of skimming through the excellent http://lenr-canr.org library. These are really just bookmarks to myself of papers that are worth reading properly. I restricted myself to about 2005+ ... mainly to weed out first impressions. I've tagged most of

Re: [Vo]:LENR-CANR Theory Papers

2011-12-06 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-12-06 20:15, Alan J Fletcher wrote: I've just finished a marathon multi-day session of skimming through the excellent http://lenr-canr.org http://lenr-canr.org/ library. Good job, but I'll play the devil's advocate by saying that many of them are not peer reviewed papers and because

Re: [Vo]:LENR-CANR Theory Papers

2011-12-06 Thread Daniel Rocha
In the W.L. case, I'd like to know where the value for the effective mass of the electron, above ~2.6, is calculated to be enough for catalyzed fusion. Also, why does breaking Born Oppenheimer approximation means that using a perturbative expansion around the W bosons is allowed, given that its

Re: [Vo]:LENR-CANR Theory Papers

2011-12-06 Thread Daniel Rocha
Something interesting regarding these papers, it is that the researchers that propose the theories that apparently fits better the experiments rarely cites each other. It seems there is no serious attempt to come up with a common basis for the LENR phenomena. 2011/12/6 Daniel Rocha

Re: [Vo]:LENR-CANR Theory Papers

2011-12-06 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 11:47 AM 12/6/2011, Akira Shirakawa wrote: On 2011-12-06 20:15, Alan J Fletcher wrote: By the way, have you checked if this archive contains things not included in lenr-canr.org ? http://www.iscmns.org/library.htm I didn't have that list. There do seem to be papers not in Jed's lenr-canr was

Re: [Vo]:LENR-CANR Theory Papers

2011-12-06 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 11:47 AM 12/6/2011, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Good job, but I'll play the devil's advocate by saying that many of them are not peer reviewed papers and because of this hard skeptics would reject them at once. I was just building a reading list (thanks anyway) ... and did a coupla-minute skim

RE: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-06 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
JC: You continue to claim that accelerators use resonance, and therefore that my comment, Why does nuclear physics use (BRUTE FORCE) particle accelerators? Because they are boxed in by the thought that the ONLY way to overcome the coulomb barrier is extreme force. is somehow faulty. You

[Vo]:Re: LENR-CANR Theory Papers

2011-12-06 Thread Alan J Fletcher
http://www.iscmns.org/CMNS/JCMNS-Vol4.pdf#page=40 2011 has some good papers ... many follow-ons, eg A. Meulenberg and K.P. Sinha / Journal of Condensed Matter Nuclear Science 4 (2011) 241–255 expands on lochons : and p+e in particular.

Re: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-06 Thread Joshua Cude
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: The END RESULT is brute force smashing things together… there is NO resonance in that! That is, and always has been, my point. The actual interaction of the particles is by brute force, NOT RESONANCE.

Re: [Vo]:LENR-CANR Theory Papers

2011-12-06 Thread Axil Axil
At the end of the day, it is quantum mechanics that is the operative principle behind LENR. For laymen, quantum mechanics (QM) is very hard to understand; even Einstein had trouble with it. Experimenting with QM is even more difficult. If you look at results, they go away or become invalid.

[Vo]:[Rossi] University RD has gone away?

2011-12-06 Thread Mattia Rizzi
A. Casali December 6th, 2011 at 7:09 AM 5) Considering the importance of university RD for the acceptance of your technology in terms of certification and authorisations, not to speek about the performance improvements that they may bring to your great invention, why are you still holding on

[Vo]:OFF TOPIC Rich twits smash cars in Yamaguchi

2011-12-06 Thread Jed Rothwell
This just in from the Institute of Schadenfreude Studies: http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/eight-ferraris-crash-at-gathering-of-narcissists-in-japan/2011/12/05/gIQAmyS9XO_story.html Dec. 5 (Bloomberg) -- Eight Ferraris and a Lamborghini were part of a 14-car crash in Japan yesterday that

Re: [Vo]:[Rossi] University RD has gone away?

2011-12-06 Thread Jed Rothwell
Why do you think the university project has been cancelled? I do not see that in Rossi's response. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

2011-12-06 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here is a comment from Lewan Mats about this topic: Hi Mary and Ahsoka, Saw your discussion about power cords on Vortex. You can rule them out. I made my own connection cord which I put in series, both at the main power supply and between the blue control box and the resistor in the Ecat.

Re: [Vo]:LENR-CANR Theory Papers

2011-12-06 Thread Joshua Cude
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: For laymen, quantum mechanics (QM) is very hard to understand; even Einstein had trouble with it. Einstein had objections to its implications and apparent incompleteness. He was completely comfortable with how it was used to

Re: [Vo]:[Rossi] University RD has gone away?

2011-12-06 Thread Axil Axil
The is some finite chance that the inner workings of the Rossi reactor are now classified as SERET by the US military and not subject to review. On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Why do you think the university project has been cancelled? I do not see

[Vo]:Re: [Rossi] University RD has gone away?

2011-12-06 Thread Mattia Rizzi
Obvisuly Univerty RD is not a priority for Rossi. Since it’s not a priority at all, i expect more delays. From: Jed Rothwell Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 10:16 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:[Rossi] University RD has gone away? Why do you think the university project has been

RE: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-06 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
Collisions can be resonant too. Please explain. -Mark From: Joshua Cude [mailto:joshua.c...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 1:01 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit On Tue, Dec 6, 2011

Re: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-06 Thread Joshua Cude
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: ** ** “Collisions can be resonant too…” ** ** Please explain… ** Here's an abstract from PRL, which I found with 10 seconds of google. Have you heard of it? Resonant collisional energy

Re: [Vo]:[Rossi] University RD has gone away?

2011-12-06 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The is some finite chance that the inner workings of the Rossi reactor are now classified as SERET by the US military and not subject to review. The U.S. military has no authority in Europe. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:[Rossi] University RD has gone away?

2011-12-06 Thread Daniel Rocha
US is not the world. 2011/12/6 Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com The is some finite chance that the inner workings of the Rossi reactor are now classified as SERET by the US military and not subject to review. On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: Why do you

Re: [Vo]:LENR-CANR Theory Papers

2011-12-06 Thread Jed Rothwell
Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: For Jed Rothwell: a quick suggestion. I think it would be useful a more detailed indexing/search system for lenr-canr.org, for example: - Sorting the archive by the original document date (not publication date on lenr-canr.org) - Options for

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR-CANR Theory Papers JCMNS Vol 4

2011-12-06 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 12:42 PM 12/6/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote: http://www.iscmns.org/CMNS/JCMNS-Vol4.pdf#page=40 2011 has some good papers ... many follow-ons, eg A. Meulenberg and K.P. Sinha / Journal of Condensed Matter Nuclear Science 4 (2011) 241–255 expands on lochons : and p+e in particular. Adding --

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR-CANR Theory Papers

2011-12-06 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alan J Fletcher wrote: http://www.iscmns.org/CMNS/JCMNS-Vol4.pdf#page=40 2011 has some good papers ... many follow-ons, eg A. Meulenberg and K.P. Sinha / Journal of Condensed Matter Nuclear Science 4 (2011) 241--255 There is a copy here, in case you have trouble downloading the ISCMNS

[Vo]:Re: LENR-CANR Theory Papers JCMNS 5

2011-12-06 Thread Alan J Fletcher
http://www.iscmns.org/CMNS/JCMNS-Vol5.pdf Pretty much a special issue on : P.L. Hagelstein and I.U. Chaudhary / Journal of Condensed Matter Nuclear Science 5 (2011) 52-71 Energy Exchange In The Lossy Spin-Boson Model (and their reviewer wanted more!)

RE: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-06 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
Nope, let me look into it... thx. -Mark From: Joshua Cude [mailto:joshua.c...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 1:29 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Mark

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

2011-12-06 Thread Mary Yugo
Darn. Between the vagaries of the gmail system and Vortex, half the time I can end up responding to the wrong people. Seems I did respond only to Mats to what was a personal email to me and a few others and which Jed posted on Vort. OK. So here is my reply, now public (sorry I got confused --

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

2011-12-06 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Also how you feel about the lack of a blank/calibration run ahead of the test, using the electrical heater as a calibrating energy source before hydrogen was added to the E-cat. Wouldn't that rule out such issues as thermocouple placement? The best way

Re: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-06 Thread Joshua Cude
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Nope, let me look into it... thx. I meant google. Have you heard of google. Don't bother looking in to the particular resonant collisions. It's just an example of where collision energy can be tailored

Re: [Vo]:Domestic LENR steam/electricity front end

2011-12-06 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
On 12/6/2011 10:22 PM, Colin Hercus wrote: Could you have a problem with the 30kWH of excess heat. It seems a bit much to get rid of for space heating and hot water especially in a suburban situation. The Hyperion unit has 9 cores and can dynamically stage them as required by the load. 30 kWs

Re: [Vo]:LENR-CANR Theory Papers

2011-12-06 Thread Axil Axil
“Einstein had objections to its implications and apparent incompleteness. He was completely comfortable with how it was used to make successful predictions.” I mean “Einstein had trouble with it” in the following sense: Einstein was very unhappy about this apparent randomness in nature that QM

RE: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

2011-12-06 Thread Robert Leguillon
This appears to be the Houkes data that you're referring to: http://lenr-canr.org/RossiData/Houkes%20Oct%206%20Calculation%20of%20influence%20of%20Tin%20on%20Tout.xlsx I cannot open this file. I get a zip with dissociated .xml's. I know that I'd quickly discounted it in the past, as it

[Vo]:Re: a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

2011-12-06 Thread Mattia Rizzi
An ongoing argument here is about the adequacy of the inspection done on the device of October 6. Another good question: why was used so little water flux? Why not redurece the water flux and get 30-40 degrees Celsiusof difference instead of 4-5 degrees? From: Mary Yugo Sent: Tuesday,

RE: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

2011-12-06 Thread Robert Leguillon
But, I must say that your allusion to the fact that two calorimetric methods were in reasonable agreement is just hogwash. The secondary calorimetric observations cited previously were entirely contingent upon the acceptance of the first. This is a circular argument. From:

Fw: [Vo]:Re: a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

2011-12-06 Thread Mattia Rizzi
Correction: why was used so much water flux. From: Mattia Rizzi Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 11:51 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Re: a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat An ongoing argument here is about the adequacy of the inspection done on the device of October 6.

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

2011-12-06 Thread Jed Rothwell
Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote: This appears to be the Houkes data that you're referring to: http://lenr-canr.org/RossiData/Houkes%20Oct%206%20Calculation%20of%20influence%20of%20Tin%20on%20Tout.xlsx I cannot open this file. I get a zip with dissociated .xml's. I know

Re: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

2011-12-06 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here is a version of Houkes in Acrobat format. This has some problems: http://lenr-canr.org/RossiData/Houkes%20Oct%206%20Calculation%20of%20influence%20of%20Tin%20on%20Tout.pdf The original in Excel format is better:

Re: [Vo]:Re: a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

2011-12-06 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com wrote: Another good question: why was used so [high] water flux? Why not reduce the water flux and get 30-40 degrees Celsiusof difference instead of 4-5 degrees? Two reasons, I think: 1. Safety. You want to be sure the heat will be removed even if it

Re: [Vo]:LENR-CANR Theory Papers

2011-12-06 Thread Joshua Cude
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 4:50 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: “QM is the most predictive theory over the widest range of dimensions in history. It has certain odd implications, but in its simple application as tool to predict the outcome of experiments, it is perfectly well understood

[Vo]:Re: a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

2011-12-06 Thread Mattia Rizzi
. Safety. You want to be sure the heat will be removed even if it increases a great deal, the way it did on Feb. 10. Please, Jed, dont’t kidding. Rossi used steam for heat removing in January,March,etc and you know that steam carry out very little heat compared with liquid water. You cannot

[Vo]:Fw: a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

2011-12-06 Thread Mattia Rizzi
Most people don’t measure “black-boxes”. Correction: Most people don’t measure “black-boxes” with instrumentation by the invetor, placed by the inventor. From: Mattia Rizzi Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 12:35 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: a long paper about and mainly against

Re: [Vo]:Re: a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

2011-12-06 Thread Joshua Cude
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: 1. Safety. You want to be sure the heat will be removed even if it increases a great deal, the way it did on Feb. 10. Ah. The favorite excuse, second only to secret sauce. But the heat exchanger had no effect on the

RE: [Vo]:a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

2011-12-06 Thread Robert Leguillon
Thanks for converting the file. It may have been saved in Excel 2007 without compatible mode. As to the methods you discuss: Method 1 is great if you can trust the power in, secondary flow rate, and the thermocouple readings. - Even though the power in was only spot-checked, I feel good about

RE: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-06 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
I bet you crack yourself up, don't you. Darn, I've already wasted the time. but fortunately I've already found some interesting abstracts that mention drastic changes in branching ratios and enhanced energy transfer in resonant or near-resonant systems. which was my point. -Mark From:

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR-CANR Theory Papers ISIS sumamry

2011-12-06 Thread Alan J Fletcher
There's a summary (2007) at : http://www.i-sis.org.uk/HowColdFusionWorks.php Covers some of the (ideas in) papers in my list.

[Vo]:Off topic: Food rights to be trampled in NZ

2011-12-06 Thread Horace Heffner
I can not believe this, the loss of food growing rights, is happening in a democracy: http://nzfoodsecurity.org/ The only ways to end this kind of thing I know of is a single term limit, government funded elections, and eliminating lobbyists. Best regards, Horace Heffner

Re: [Vo]:Re: a long paper about and mainly against the E-cat

2011-12-06 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com wrote: Most people don’t measure “black-boxes”. If Rossi provided a 30-40 degrees difference, everybody can feel it simply touching water in exit. With 4-5 degrees not. Everyone present at the demo could -- and did -- feel the reactor itself, which

[Vo]:Brian Ahern Will Not Be Presenting on December 7, 2011

2011-12-06 Thread Akira Shirakawa
From NextBigFuture: http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/12/brian-ahern-will-not-be-presenting-on.html This is unexpected. Does anybody know why Dr. Brian Ahern won't be presenting his findings on LENR tomorrow as originally planned? Cheers, S.A.

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR-CANR Theory Papers ISIS Cook, lattice models

2011-12-06 Thread Alan J Fletcher
Cook's Lattice model of the nucleus seems to be getting a bit of traction (what, 35 years on?) another pdf ... http://iccf15.frascati.enea.it/ICCF15-PRESENTATIONS/S8_O2_Cook.pdf Essay : http://fqxi.org/data/essay-contest-files/Cook_FQXiEssayNDCook_2.pdf (Or maybe if you google nucleus

Re: [Vo]:Brian Ahern Will Not Be Presenting on December 7, 2011

2011-12-06 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 04:43 PM 12/6/2011, Akira Shirakawa wrote: This is unexpected. Does anybody know why Dr. Brian Ahern won't be presenting his findings on LENR tomorrow as originally planned? A comment on that page -- nextbigfuture (site owner) Apparently the organizer has said things and posted articles

RE: [Vo]:Brian Ahern Will Not Be Presenting on December 7, 2011

2011-12-06 Thread Jones Beene
His work was done under an EPRI contract. AFAIK - the funders have not released it to the public yet. -Original Message- From: Akira Shirakawa From NextBigFuture: http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/12/brian-ahern-will-not-be-presenting-on.html This is unexpected. Does anybody know why

Re: [Vo]:Domestic LENR steam/electricity front end

2011-12-06 Thread mixent
In reply to Aussie Guy E-Cat's message of Wed, 07 Dec 2011 09:20:00 +1030: Hi, [snip] Aussie FITs require the grid to be fed via a grid connect inverter and the inverter fed by a Renewable energy source. I doubt LENR would qualify. If you get a system working, then I think you should request

Re: [Vo]:Codeposition of Ni/H

2011-12-06 Thread mixent
In reply to James Bowery's message of Tue, 6 Dec 2011 13:01:10 -0600: Hi, [snip] Why hasn't anyone notice excess heat? At a guess I would say there are two reasons. 1) There isn't much. 2) No one measures it, they just get rid of it. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk

[Vo]:Lewis Larsen interviewed on CF and WL theory

2011-12-06 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Larsen starts talking at 3:20: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVRLcC21F14

Re: [Vo]:Off topic: Food rights to be trampled in NZ

2011-12-06 Thread Craig Haynie
On Tue, 2011-12-06 at 15:27 -0900, Horace Heffner wrote: The only ways to end this kind of thing I know of is a single term limit, government funded elections, and eliminating lobbyists. So you want the government to fund only its own authorized candidates in its own election? And you don't

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