[Vo]:Amoco (Oil Company) replication of cold fusion experiment in 1994.

2011-12-28 Thread David ledin
Amoco (Oil Company) replication of cold fusion experiment in 1994. http://newenergytimes.com/v2/library/1994/1994Lautzenhiser-Amoco-Cold-Fusion-Short.pdf http://newenergytimes.com/v2/library/1994/1994Lautzenhiser-Amoco-Cold-Fusion-Long.pdf

Re: [Vo]:Amoco (Oil Company) replication of cold fusion experiment in 1994.

2011-12-28 Thread David ledin
quote from Amoco document This report will discuss briefly some of the early calorimetric experiments on cold fusion and in more detail, a single experiment just concluded.A closed cell electrolytic experiment has been conducted using a palladium cathode and platinum anode with accurate (+/-0.001

Re: [Vo]:Amoco (Oil Company) replication of cold fusion experiment in 1994.

2011-12-28 Thread Jed Rothwell
A cleaner copy is here: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/Lautzenhiscoldfusion.pdf See also: http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/Lautzenhisconstanthe.pdf - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Rossi announces a titanic step forward, how he will deal with competitors and 1m E-Cats for 2012

2011-12-28 Thread Vorl Bek
In ecatnews.com http://ecatnews.com/?p=1727, Paul Story commented: [The idea that we have two fraudulant entities outbidding each other in an open exchange of illusionary pricing – shouting at each other from opposite sides of the Atlantic Ocean – is too bizarre to be given space except in

Re: [Vo]:Rossi announces a titanic step forward, how he will deal with competitors and 1m E-Cats for 2012

2011-12-28 Thread Jed Rothwell
Paul Story wrote: [The idea that we have two fraudulant entities outbidding each other in an open exchange of illusionary pricing – shouting at each other from opposite sides of the Atlantic Ocean – is too bizarre to be given space except in recognising it as a small possibility.] Add to

Re: [Vo]:Rossi announces a titanic step forward, how he will deal with competitors and 1m E-Cats for 2012

2011-12-28 Thread Mary Yugo
On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 7:18 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Add to that a scenario in which Defkalion has set up a large, expensive fake laboratory staffed by genuine experts being paid to pretend they are doing research. The whole notion is so implausible I can't imagine why

Re: [Vo]:National Security and Population Structure

2011-12-28 Thread Mary Yugo
On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 2:13 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: My particular part in this effort was that I was to prototype a mass-marketable version of the PLATO network, which I did circa 1980. I won't go into the details of that network except to say that the contribution it

Re: [Vo]:Rossi announces a titanic step forward, how he will deal with competitors and 1m E-Cats for 2012

2011-12-28 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: What *is* likely is that Defkalion believed that they were going to receive a working core module from Rossi in June 2011. It is also likely that they prepared equipment and labs based on what they thought this core would be like according to

Re: [Vo]:Rossi announces a titanic step forward, how he will deal with competitors and 1m E-Cats for 2012

2011-12-28 Thread Mary Yugo
On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: The people who have been there can estimate that by looking. They know what laboratory equipment costs. Wouldn't it be nice if we could hear from these people directly and see photos of what they saw (within the

Re: [Vo]:Rossi announces a titanic step forward, how he will deal with competitors and 1m E-Cats for 2012

2011-12-28 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo wrote: Wouldn't it be nice if we could hear from these people directly and see photos of what they saw (within the needed limits to protect trade secrets)? I am trying to arrange that. It might help if you and others would stop making outrageous, baseless, ignorant attacks against

Re: [Vo]:Rossi announces a titanic step forward, how he will deal with competitors and 1m E-Cats for 2012

2011-12-28 Thread Mary Yugo
On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: I am trying to arrange that. It might help if you and others would stop making outrageous, baseless, ignorant attacks against them. Generally speaking, people are not inclined to share information when you accuse them

Re: [Vo]:Rossi announces a titanic step forward, how he will deal with competitors and 1m E-Cats for 2012

2011-12-28 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo wrote: I don't recall accusing anyone of anything. I raise possibilities which should be very easy to knock down. You do accuse people. You make endlessly repeated ignorant, snide comments about subjects you know nothing about. You could easily learn about these things, but you

Re: [Vo]:Amoco (Oil Company) replication of cold fusion experiment in 1994.

2011-12-28 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: A cleaner copy is here: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/Lautzenhiscoldfusion.pdf The authors went over this. They may have made a few corrections. I seem to recall there was a problem with a figure, which we fixed. This is easier to read, and quote from. Note the Discussion, which

RE: [Vo]:LENR 'Proliferation' was: US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-28 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com There are secondary nuclear reactions but most of the energy gain is from accelerated protons. Robin: This implies close proximity between proton and target nucleus. Yes. That is essentially the gist of combining Miley/Holmlid with

RE: [Vo]:LENR 'Proliferation' was: US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-28 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com As I pointed out on this list a few weeks back (though it may not have been noticed in the deluge), this doesn't work because close is much smaller than atomic dimensions, which means that there is no (Lawandy) surface to speak of. You are

[Vo]:A Curious 2003 Cold Fusion Patent Application

2011-12-28 Thread pagnucco
Pardon if this is old news on Vortex, but I was surprised to find this 2003 USPTO patent application -- http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2003/0112916.html Cold nuclear fusion under non-equilibrium conditions United States Patent Application 20030112916 Kind Code: A1 Inventors: Keeney,

Re: [Vo]:Rossi announces a titanic step forward, how he will deal with competitors and 1m E-Cats for 2012

2011-12-28 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: Titanic step forward? Better is gigantic management strategy blunder! To use mild euphemisms- this plan is naive, childish, primitive savage capitalistic thinking and self-destructive strategy. To use dumping on an endless, insatiable market- you cannot

Re: [Vo]:Rossi announces a titanic step forward, how he will deal with competitors and 1m E-Cats for 2012

2011-12-28 Thread Peter Gluck
Perhaps it would be necessary to define better |experienced business man Obviously you learn from bitter failures (as Petroldragon) but the experience of successful campaigns is irrreplaceable see e.g. Jobs' career -succces breeds succes. To frighten Defkalion? How exactly? They are really

RE: [Vo]:Amoco (Oil Company) replication of cold fusion experiment in 1994.

2011-12-28 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Jed: I wrote: A cleaner copy is here: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/Lautzenhiscoldfusion.pdf Yes, adding page numbering would be useful. When was the original report published? I don't see a date displayed on the PDF copy. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com

[Vo]:The Rossi Ni + p Byproduct Riddle Update

2011-12-28 Thread Horace Heffner
I continue to update The Rossi Ni + p Byproduct Riddle: http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/NiProtonRiddle.pdf The most recent addition is the following section: THE MYSTERY OF 2 H, 4 H AND 6 H TRANSMUTATIONS One of the mysteries of deuterium cold fusion transmutation is why 1, 2, 4, or 6

Re: [Vo]:Amoco (Oil Company) replication of cold fusion experiment in 1994.

2011-12-28 Thread Jed Rothwell
OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: When was the original report published? I don't see a date displayed on the PDF copy. It was circulated around 1994. They brought a copy to ICCF-4 (1994). I well remember what happened when showed it to John Huizenga. He turned green and fled. It

Re: [Vo]:A Curious 2003 Cold Fusion Patent Application

2011-12-28 Thread Horace Heffner
What a surprise to me! If cold fusion patents are suddenly allowed, I can not imagine this kind of patent holding up in general upon challenging in court in infringement proceedings. The application was made in 2000. Most everything was invented, published or publicly discussed in

Re: [Vo]:National Security and Population Structure

2011-12-28 Thread Mauro Lacy
On 12/27/2011 07:13 PM, James Bowery wrote: A young Nebraska farmer's son went to war against Germany and came back with code-breaking skills, as well as good DoD contacts. His name was William Norris. He started Control Data Corporation with a young engineer named Seymour Cray and, with 34

Re: [Vo]:Amoco (Oil Company) replication of cold fusion experiment in 1994.

2011-12-28 Thread Jed Rothwell
That was messed up! They sent me Fig. R5 but I forgot to add it. I added it in now, plus I added page numbers. You may need to reload the file to see them: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/Lautzenhiscoldfusion.pdf - Jed

Re: [Vo]:LENR 'Proliferation' was: US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-28 Thread Mauro Lacy
On 12/27/2011 05:37 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Jones Beenejone...@pacbell.net wrote: A contrarian opinion: DoE will never relent nor alter its stance against LENR ... at least not so long as there is a DoD. * I assume you mean as long as there is a DoE. I agree. No, I mean DoD - DoD

Re: [Vo]:A Curious 2003 Cold Fusion Patent Application

2011-12-28 Thread Horace Heffner
Say, if CF breaks as conventional, and this patent is issued, maybe this is intended to provide an excuse for the patent office to reject all subsequent cold fusion patent application claims based on infringement of prior art, until this patent is successfully challenged. On Dec 28, 2011,

Re: [Vo]:Amoco (Oil Company) replication of cold fusion experiment in 1994.

2011-12-28 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: I talked to one of the researchers and some people who assisted. The old company did not suppress this I meant the oil company not the old company. I wasn't even using dictation. I got that wrong the old fashioned way. This file was originally dated March 19, 1990. I have an

Re: [Vo]:LENR 'Proliferation' was: US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-28 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mauro Lacy ma...@lacy.com.ar wrote: Cold fusion does not appear to be a chain reaction, so I do not see how it could be used in a weapon. By not being the direct cause of a chain reaction? Yup. I think only a chain reaction would be fast enough to evolve into a major explosion before the

Re: [Vo]:LENR 'Proliferation' was: US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-28 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-12-28 05:30 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: There is no doubt you can make a small explosion with cold fusion. People have already done that, by accident. Mizuno nearly killed himself doing that. See: http://lenr-canr.org/Experiments.htm#PhotosAccidents Thanks for the link, Jed! I recalled

Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Ni + p Byproduct Riddle Update

2011-12-28 Thread mixent
In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Wed, 28 Dec 2011 12:17:21 -0900: Hi, [snip] It is notable that the radioactive isotopes of these elements tend to have nonzero nuclear magnetic moments. ...notable perhaps, but hardly surprising. Pair forming results in stability, hence nuclei with

Re: [Vo]:LENR 'Proliferation' was: US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-28 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 28 Dec 2011 12:10:20 -0800: Hi, [snip] -Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com There are secondary nuclear reactions but most of the energy gain is from accelerated protons. Robin: This implies close proximity between proton and target

Re: [Vo]:LENR 'Proliferation' was: US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-28 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 28 Dec 2011 12:10:20 -0800: Hi, [snip] -Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com As I pointed out on this list a few weeks back (though it may not have been noticed in the deluge), this doesn't work because close is much smaller than atomic

Re: [Vo]:Rossi announces a titanic step forward, how he will deal with competitors and 1m E-Cats for 2012

2011-12-28 Thread Mary Yugo
On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: Mary Yugo wrote: I don't recall accusing anyone of anything. I raise possibilities which should be very easy to knock down. You do accuse people. Cite it or don't say it. Who did I accuse and of what and where

RE: [Vo]:LENR 'Proliferation' was: US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-28 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com As I pointed out on this list a few weeks back (though it may not have been noticed in the deluge), this doesn't work because close is much smaller than atomic dimensions, which means that there is no (Lawandy) surface to speak of. You are

RE: [Vo]:LENR 'Proliferation' was: US DOE alters it's stance on LENR and Rossi?

2011-12-28 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com You were talking about protons. I can think of only two examples where the binding energy of a proton is negative. 1. Protium. 2. Helium. Bingo. But do not miss the forest for the trees. The bottom line is that we are only interested in the

Re: [Vo]:Rossi announces a titanic step forward, how he will deal with competitors and 1m E-Cats for 2012

2011-12-28 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-12-28 08:40 PM, Mary Yugo wrote: On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Mary Yugo wrote: I don't recall accusing anyone of anything. I raise possibilities which should be very easy to knock down.

Re: [Vo]:Amoco (Oil Company) replication of cold fusion experiment in 1994.

2011-12-28 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-12-28 03:09 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: I wrote: A cleaner copy is here: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/Lautzenhiscoldfusion.pdf The authors went over this. They may have made a few corrections. I seem to recall there was a problem with a figure, which we fixed. The title of

[Vo]:Does Miracle Comet presage Miracle Technology?

2011-12-28 Thread Jones Beene
Christmas comet, named Lovejoy no less: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2398066,00.asp http://www.space.com/14045-spectacular-christmas-comet-amazes-skywatchers-ch ile.html This kind of thing had staggering importance a few thousand years ago ... g attachment: winmail.dat

Re: [Vo]:Amoco (Oil Company) replication of cold fusion experiment in 1994.

2011-12-28 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-12-28 04:37 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: I talked to one of the researchers and some people who assisted. The oil company did not suppress this result. The researchers could not reproduce it. After years of trying they finally gave up. However, they stand by the original result. Jed, do

Re: [Vo]:A Curious 2003 Cold Fusion Patent Application

2011-12-28 Thread Jay Caplan
This was abandoned in 2004 after a non-final rejection by USPTO 1/21/2004. Click Public PAIR link on http://www.uspto.gov/patents/process/status/ Choose Application Number and insert 09/514,202 Choose Image File Wrapper tab when this application opens, then the correspondence and actions can be

Re: [Vo]:A Curious 2003 Cold Fusion Patent Application

2011-12-28 Thread pagnucco
This patent application seems like one Fleischmann and Pons would have written as well. Sad that Jones and F-P didn't cooperate and avoid a lot of wasted time. Horace Heffner wrote: Say, if CF breaks as conventional, and this patent is issued, maybe this is intended to provide an excuse for

Re: [Vo]:Rossi announces a titanic step forward, how he will deal with competitors and 1m E-Cats for 2012

2011-12-28 Thread Mary Yugo
On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 7:05 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.comwrote: ** On 11-12-28 08:40 PM, Mary Yugo wrote: Unless I'm greatly mistaken, you've accused a number of people of failing to exist. The only allegation of non existence I've ever made is the non-existence of a proper and

Re: [Vo]:A Curious 2003 Cold Fusion Patent Application

2011-12-28 Thread Horace Heffner
Wow. Yes, indeed, this should be read. Whatever the intent of the nonsensically broad claims, it did not work out very well! The PTO examiner, John Richardson, did a great job on the rejection. He cites Pons, Miley, etc. Unfortunately, I could only download a page at a time. The