Re: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus

2012-08-17 Thread Jojo Jaro
So, you admit to having NOT read CE web site and a more thorough explanation of his theory. So, you do not really understand what his theory is; YET, you mouth off as if you're the expert. Your verbal diarrhea is full of irrelevancy and useless comments that make you feel you know it know.

Re: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus

2012-08-17 Thread Te Chung
Meanwhile, Back in the Florida swamps LENR pioneer  http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.i-b-r.org/NeutronSynthesis.pdfsa=Uei=nv4tUKGVHKSgywHMqYHQDwved=0CBkQFjACsig2=2jnJ7E68bs8RTEvQ80nLXAusg=AFQjCNHrasQAwAaBEkfYm1IQ61UuUIym_g  gets rich via NASDAQ

Re: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus

2012-08-17 Thread Mint Candy
Yes, Looks like http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg69031.html says it all. I detect the wisdom of Gulinski theories in this enlightened atmosphere. Love, Candy - Original Message - From: Te Chung Sent: 08/17/12 04:14 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re:

Re: [Vo]:A123 Systems rescued by China's Wanxiang

2012-08-17 Thread Terry Blanton
Technically, not a LED: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OLED seems to meet your description 'cept for the intensity. T

Re: [Vo]:The Magic of Xenon

2012-08-17 Thread James Bowery
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 6:15 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: On the left is a reservoir at ambient temperature and pressure which is connected to a vacuum chamber on the right through a nozzle hole. The gases expand into the chamber through this hole and during this expansion all the

[Vo]:Re: CMNS: Life Imitating Science

2012-08-17 Thread ChemE Stewart
Brian, I agree with most of that statement. I believe Nature keeps them as far away from life as possible, locked into large black holes in the vacuum of space, possibly within stars corona's and on earth gravity should act on them over time as they make their way to the core. These are all

Re: [Vo]:The Magic of Xenon

2012-08-17 Thread Axil Axil
http://www.ias.ac.in/resonance/December2009/p1210-1222.pdf Molecule Matters van derWaalsMolecules See: page 1214 4.1 Supersonic Molecular Beams Cheers: Axil On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 10:07 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 6:15 PM, Axil Axil

[Vo]:Stunning slide from Technova

2012-08-17 Thread Jones Beene
Slide 16 Takahashi and Kitamura (thanks Akira, Jed et al) https://decibel.ni.com/content/servlet/JiveServlet/download/23750-1-51320/TS 9240%20Status%20of%20CMN%20CF%20LENR%20Research.pdf Summary: Ni-Cu on zirconia support, long period of gain, hydrogen and deuterium compared for gain. 1)

Re: [Vo]:Stunning slide from Technova

2012-08-17 Thread Daniel Rocha
Celani is gives up to 70W/g... 2012/8/17 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net Slide 16 Takahashi and Kitamura (thanks Akira, Jed et al) https://decibel.ni.com/content/servlet/JiveServlet/download/23750-1-51320/TS 9240%20Status%20of%20CMN%20CF%20LENR%20Research.pdf Summary: Ni-Cu on zirconia

Re: [Vo]:Stunning slide from Technova

2012-08-17 Thread Jojo Jaro
Does this discovery lend credibility to Rossi with his Hydrogen Nickel (and apparently some Copper) reactor? Jojo - Original Message - From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 10:29 PM Subject: [Vo]:Stunning slide from Technova

Re: [Vo]:Stunning slide from Technova

2012-08-17 Thread Peter Gluck
According to Piantelli and to Defkalion. Ni does not work at all with deuterium, Why it works (?) here is a good/bad question. Peter On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Slide 16 Takahashi and Kitamura (thanks Akira, Jed et al)

Re: [Vo]:Stunning slide from Technova

2012-08-17 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-08-17 16:43, Peter Gluck wrote: According to Piantelli and to Defkalion. Ni does not work at all with deuterium, Why it works (?) here is a good/bad question. Celani reported strange results with Deuterium too (with his treated nanostructured ISOTAN44 wires). It works, but poorly

Re: [Vo]:The Magic of Xenon

2012-08-17 Thread James Bowery
OK, so if I understand you correctly, since (as your cite states) this supersonic cooling occurs in all gasses (not just xenon), the magic of xenon really boils down to two things: 1) The way it ionizes. 2) Its tendency to form van der Waals molecules. Is that correct? Another question: You

RE: [Vo]:Stunning slide from Technova

2012-08-17 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Jojo Jaro Does this discovery lend credibility to Rossi with his Hydrogen Nickel (and apparently some Copper) reactor? Has Rossi ever admitted to using copper as an alloy in his design ? Apparently, in the sample tested by the Swedes, AR's ploy was to let

RE: [Vo]:A123 Systems rescued by China's Wanxiang

2012-08-17 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Terry, What about being able to change the color (frequency) of the emitted photons after the chip has been made? I need to clear this up, but the inventor said that the color could be changed, from IR, thru the visible and into the UV by just reprogramming. I scanned the OLED wiki but did not

RE: [Vo]:Stunning slide from Technova

2012-08-17 Thread Arnaud Kodeck
I think AR is smarter than this. He said Ni+p - Cu when it knew it was not the case. With this statement, he was sure that Cu will not be taken as a potential catalyst and only a by-product. I think also that Cu isn't the only catalyst for the reaction. There is still some more to be discovered.

Re: [Vo]:Stunning slide from Technova

2012-08-17 Thread Kelley Trezise
Thanks for interperting this for me. I can follow only a small part of that presentation. How I wish I had a wordy interpretation for each slide. - Original Message - From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 7:29 AM Subject:

RE: [Vo]:Stunning slide from Technova

2012-08-17 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Arnaud Kodeck With Celani, the experiment shown at ICCF-17 reaches around 3W/cm² which is very good in itself but not enough for a commercial product. Why do you say that 3W/cm² is not enough for a commercial product ? We are talking about an alloy that

Re: [Vo]:Stunning slide from Technova

2012-08-17 Thread Daniel Rocha
You should think about the total volume (area is a rule of a thumb anyway...) because it should be possible to roll all that. It gives around 450W/cm3. Also, that gives an average of 50W/g, using his wires. So, 20Kg should give you 1MW of extra heat... 2012/8/17 Kelley Trezise

Re: [Vo]:Stunning slide from Technova

2012-08-17 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-08-17 17:14, Jones Beene wrote: gain, anyway. I think AR has seen minor gain perhaps COP=2, and that he used copper to get it, perhaps inadvertently from the copper-alloy plumbing. But that is a guess. If Rossi's magic powder works as Celani's treated ISOTAN44 wires (positive feedback

Re: [Vo]:Stunning slide from Technova

2012-08-17 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-08-17 17:43, Jones Beene wrote: Why do you say that 3W/cm² is not enough for a commercial product ? We are talking about an alloy that costs only $20/kg (US) in large volume lots. The treatment (not known in detail yet - but Celani said a paper about it is in preparation) to create

Re: [Vo]:Stunning slide from Technova

2012-08-17 Thread Daniel Rocha
Beware that the extra heat/g. And that's the up limit. Generally, it's around 40W/g and 50/g. You'd have to use some complicated scheme to get an electrical feedback and self sustain. 2012/8/17 Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com On 2012-08-17 17:14, Jones Beene wrote: gain, anyway. I

Re: [Vo]:The Magic of Xenon

2012-08-17 Thread Harvey Norris
--- On Fri, 8/17/12, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Magic of Xenon To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Friday, August 17, 2012, 10:26 AM http://www.ias.ac.in/resonance/December2009/p1210-1222.pdfMolecule Matters van derWaalsMoleculesSee:

Re: [Vo]:Inspiration

2012-08-17 Thread integral.property.serv...@gmail.com
Nickel cited previously several times. Example: AnonymousDecember 18, 2011 12:42 PM http://opensourcenuclearfuel.blogspot.com/2011/11/possible-activator-for-gas-loaded-lenr.html?showComment=1324240950625#c4302940741857909284 Used LiH from

Re: [Vo]:Stunning slide from Technova

2012-08-17 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-08-17 18:03, Daniel Rocha wrote: Beware that the extra heat/g. And that's the up limit. Generally, it's around 40W/g and 50/g. You'd have to use some complicated scheme to get an electrical feedback and self sustain. True, actual average values for Celani are smaller at the moment. My

Re: [Vo]:Stunning slide from Technova

2012-08-17 Thread ChemE Stewart
Akira, According to my theory, at the moment the hydrogen collapses in a void or crack (singularity), you should get an instant burst of low level Hawking Radiation(full spectrum) since quantum singularities are very hot to start with and they will immediately evaporate matter down near local

Re: [Vo]:Stunning slide from Technova

2012-08-17 Thread Daniel Rocha
I didn't mean electric circuit, but feedback scheme in general. Maybe heating only won't work... 2012/8/17 Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com I don't think a complex electrical feedback is really needed for that. Celani showed that his treated wires generate excess heat when heated

[Vo]:RE: Stunning slide from Technova

2012-08-17 Thread Jones Beene
Further on this point (with some rewording): IMPLICATION - there are 20+ years of positive experiments with palladium-deuterium, most of them using hydrogen as a control. Hydrogen does not seem to work at all in pure palladium. If H worked at all, then the thermal gain with D is

Re: [Vo]:Life Imitating Science

2012-08-17 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 9:56 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Uncertainty. My mind is obviously filled with singularities. T

RE: [Vo]:Stunning slide from Technova

2012-08-17 Thread Arnaud Kodeck
For 1 MW, the surface needed shall be 33 cm² ... 33 m². With a thickness of 100 µm, we arrive at 3.3 dm³. It's not costly indeed for the benefit it has. I'm more worried about structural body, loss heat, and control it will imply with such lower power density. That's engineering.

Re: [Vo]:LENR and Fermi Acceleration

2012-08-17 Thread pagnucco
Pardon for this very late postscript, time is hard to find. I believe you assume a wave function totally confined in all 3-dimensions. This is probably not what was intended. It is easy to find papers describing crystal/lattice channel conduction of much higher energy particles (electrons,

Re: [Vo]:A123 Systems rescued by China's Wanxiang

2012-08-17 Thread Terry Blanton
Color change is cutting edge: http://arstechnica.com/science/2012/07/researchers-pave-way-for-much-brighter-oleds/ T

Re: [Vo]:RE: Stunning slide from Technova

2012-08-17 Thread Terry Blanton
Or, they are two totally different, unrelated reactions. T

Re: [Vo]:Life Imitating Science

2012-08-17 Thread ChemE Stewart
Are you certain or uncertain? On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 9:56 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Uncertainty. My mind is obviously filled with singularities. T

RE: [Vo]:A123 Systems rescued by China's Wanxiang

2012-08-17 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Thanks for finding that Terry... still seems as if color change for semiconductor-based light generation is still 'in the lab'. That's good news! -Mark -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 10:15 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

[Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes -- Fully reproducible

2012-08-17 Thread pagnucco
Pardon if I missed this in the deluge of recent postings ICCF-17 Presentation - Surface Effect for Gas Loading Micrograin Palladium for Low Energy Nuclear Reactions LENR - Heinrich Hora1, George H Miley, Mark Prelas, Kyu Jung Kim, Xiaoling Yang

[Vo]:Re: CMNS: Papp Noble MisheGas Engine

2012-08-17 Thread ChemE Stewart
According to my theory these devices magnify the Heisenburg Uncertainty Principal by design (the larger the singularities or the more of them are created, the more uncertainty there is). Which, as you said and I agree is not good for life. Actually it is probably more of a love/hate

Re: [Vo]:Life Imitating Science

2012-08-17 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 1:35 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Are you certain or uncertain? I can't decide.

Re: [Vo]:The Magic of Xenon

2012-08-17 Thread Axil Axil
Specifically, RF causes excitation of the noble gas which increases the general polarization profile of the atoms of the noble gas. Polarization causes the dimmers to form as the noble gas atoms tend to stick together in response to increasing dipole-dipole interaction. In addition, increased

Re: [Vo]:The Magic of Xenon

2012-08-17 Thread Axil Axil
I believe that this is how helium is liquefied.* * ** Cheers: Axil ** On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Harvey Norris harv...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On *Fri, 8/17/12, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com* wrote: From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Magic of Xenon To:

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-17 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:24 PM 8/16/2012, you wrote: From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com Jed just informed me that it's okay to open this one: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1SOA7Z4aIGnT_HrshnzNF6vTsgj4PULTBceDyUINIZG8/edit They quietly endorse Widom-Larsen : A Hamiltonian with ≥ 782keV can

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes -- Fully reproducible

2012-08-17 Thread ChemE Stewart
Any upset to the thermodynamic or spatial equilibrium of a micro singularity(collapsed matter), once formed, will trigger an instant response Once a singularity is present within matter, they take in matter and energy in and return radiation out. The collapse of matter and/or radiation can trigger

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-17 Thread ChemE Stewart
Can a cold neutron capture reaction create a temperature inversion like an inhaling singularity can? On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote: At 10:24 PM 8/16/2012, you wrote: From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com Jed just informed me that it's okay

Re: [Vo]:Re: ProdEngAssemble.avi

2012-08-17 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:17 PM 8/16/2012, Axil Axil wrote: I am putting two and two together here. The Papp engine ash was a brown powder. Thanks for letting us know that this was your speculation, not a conclusion from strong evidence. J Ronner talks about a two helium atom fusion process. And what J

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-17 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 01:17 PM 8/17/2012, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: At 10:24 PM 8/16/2012, you wrote: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1SOA7Z4aIGnT_HrshnzNF6vTsgj4PULTBceDyUINIZG8/edit They quietly endorse Widom-Larsen : A Hamiltonian with ≥ 782keV can cause a proton to capture an electron to yield

Re: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus

2012-08-17 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
Q.E.D. At 01:54 AM 8/17/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote: So, you admit to having NOT read CE web site and a more thorough explanation of his theory. Yes. Generally, I admit the truth, regardless of how it might look. Basically, I trust the truth more than I trust myself. So, you do not really

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin ICCF17 Presentation - Krivit link

2012-08-17 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 01:17 PM 8/17/2012, you wrote: They quietly endorse Widom-Larsen : Unreadable for me. Krivit is making a Big Deal out of this presentation, and McKubre's co-authorship. I rather doubt that McKubre has reversed his position on neutrons. It is not clear at all that co-authorship represents

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-17 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 01:17 PM 8/17/2012, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Unreadable for me. Full paper : http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2012/ICCF17/ICCF-17-Godes-Controlled-Electron-Capture-Paper.pdf Appendix A just lists a bunch of reactions ... with NO direct reference to WL (may be in the other Godes

Re: [Vo]:Re: ProdEngAssemble.avi

2012-08-17 Thread ChemE Stewart
If you just sell plans for poppers, electronic circuit boards and licenses for the technology, then all of the liability rests with the OEM's they drag in. They probably give them a short demo in the shop before the thing malfunctions. I notice everytime I see a demo it is behind explosion proof

Re: [Vo]:Re: ProdEngAssemble.avi

2012-08-17 Thread Axil Axil
In a post today integral sited a death of a LENR developer in an explosion. The take away, LENR is dangerous when the power is high. It is best to be as safe as you can. Axil On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 4:11 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: If you just sell plans for poppers,

Re: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus

2012-08-17 Thread Jojo Jaro
LOL... This made my day. The self proclaimed LENR/Cold Fusion expert does not even have a degree in the sciences, let alone in physics, where he proclaims himself to be an expert. Why do you consider yourself to be an expert without a degree? So taking one freshman class under Feynman

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes -- Fully reproducible

2012-08-17 Thread Jojo Jaro
Yes, singularities may belch out radiation like x-rays and gammas, but will it pruduce neutrons? I don't believe so. Can your theory explain this flux of neutrons? Neutrons has got to be coming from some sort of fusion going on. Being not an expert, someone correct me if I'm wrong on this.

Re: [Vo]:A123 Systems rescued by China's Wanxiang

2012-08-17 Thread Alain Sepeda
wasn't A123 the builder of efficient LiFePO4 accumulators, good candidate for rough accumulators, less dangerous (don't explode, or burn), near as efficient, especially on duration... I don't understand why LiFePO4 does not get success. it is easy technology, easier to use than LiPoly or LiIon+Co

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes -- Fully reproducible

2012-08-17 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-08-17 20:39, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Absolute confirmation of Nuclear Fusion from deuterated titanium using shock procedure - Mark Prelas: 62Million Neutrons within 5 minutes -- Fully reproducible I'm not a theoretician (so please correct me if I'm wrong), but isn't this *not*

[Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes - dangerous?

2012-08-17 Thread Robert Lynn
Neutrons are hard to shield and when absorbed can produce radioactive materials. Could this be a potentially killer blow to otherwise safe LENR? Fission reactors typically create up to 10^13 neutrons per cm² per second, and this experiment was only making about 20 per s, over (I assume) the

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes -- Fully reproducible

2012-08-17 Thread ChemE Stewart
Jojo, My singularity will rip matter apart in the near vacinity. Any neutrons that escape it will be very low momentum, since the singularities quantum gravity pull sucked all of the energy out of them. It also devours them. I am thinking about a new newsgroup for Evaporative Matter Nuclear

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes - dangerous?

2012-08-17 Thread ChemE Stewart
Feed yor gremlin a steady diet of hydrogen without any powder and you will not get neutrons. This thing is ripping atoms apart On Friday, August 17, 2012, Robert Lynn wrote: Neutrons are hard to shield and when absorbed can produce radioactive materials. Could this be a potentially killer

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes -- Fully reproducible

2012-08-17 Thread Axil Axil
I am pleased to draw your attention to this opinion from the experimenter. The presentation states: Based on solid experiment of neutron emission and LENR-element generation: hypothetical models: Reactions in 2 pm distance due to *Coulomb screening* by factor 13 (5 for hot plasmas). Coulomb

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes -- Fully reproducible

2012-08-17 Thread Axil Axil
It gets even better. Many of my most favored words are in the description.asfollows: *Clusters* of 156 deuterons (10pm diameter) in *non-localized Bose-Einstein* * *state react with Pd nucleus (or as *inverted Rydberg state*) for element production via *compound nucleus *element with A = 306

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes -- Fully reproducible

2012-08-17 Thread Jojo Jaro
Somebody correct me, but wouldn't Very Low Momemtum Neutrons be undetectable? I guess we need to see this paper to ascertain what energy neutrons they detected. Jojo - Original Message - From: ChemE Stewart To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 5:44 AM

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes -- Fully reproducible

2012-08-17 Thread Jojo Jaro
Axil, where's the paper? Did you forget to link it? I'd be interested in looking at this more closely. Jojo - Original Message - From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 6:27 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes -- Fully reproducible

2012-08-17 Thread pagnucco
Hello Akira, It's important that the results are reported to be reproducible. If they are correct, they are very complex multibody reactions, e.g., slide #12 - Clusters of 156 deuterons (10pm diameter) in non-localized Bose-Einstein state react with Pd nucleus (or as inverted Rydberg state)

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes -- Fully reproducible

2012-08-17 Thread Daniel Rocha
6.2*10^7 neutrons per 5 min means 200 thousand neutrons per second. If each one carries 1MeV, that means 3*10^-10^-8J. There's about 3*10^7s every year, which means about 1Joule of radiation emitted per year. According to wikipedia: The International Commission on Radiological

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes -- Fully reproducible

2012-08-17 Thread Axil Axil
Hi JoJo It is found at the top of this thread, but here it is for you. http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/STAFF/VISITING_FELLOWSPROFESSORS/pdf/LENR%20Korea%20ICCF-17%20Poster.pdf Axil On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: ** Axil, where's the paper? Did you forget

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes -- Fully reproducible

2012-08-17 Thread pagnucco
Well, Daniel If those neutrons are real, they would still be welcome news. Hopefully, the reaction could be modulated to reduce emissions, or their energies. -- LP Daniel Rocha wrote; 6.2*10^7 neutrons per 5 min means 200 thousand neutrons per second. If each one carries 1MeV, that means

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes -- Fully reproducible

2012-08-17 Thread Daniel Rocha
It is interesting that they claim element generation up to lead. That also happened in defkalion's data. Check that out. 2012/8/17 pagnu...@htdconnect.com Well, Daniel If those neutrons are real, they would still be welcome news. Hopefully, the reaction could be modulated to reduce

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes -- Fully reproducible

2012-08-17 Thread Axil Axil
The hot fusion people and the nuclear physicist crowd will not believe that LENR is real unless they see lots of neutrons; this is a good political type experiment. Axil On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 7:06 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Well, Daniel If those neutrons are real, they would still

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes -- Fully reproducible

2012-08-17 Thread Daniel Rocha
But that is sort of bad news too. People won't be able to have these devices at home. It seems that there are bursts of high activity 1000x above the high limit level is way too dangerous. 2012/8/17 Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com The hot fusion people and the nuclear physicist crowd will not

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes -- Fully reproducible

2012-08-17 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-08-18 01:11, Axil Axil wrote: The hot fusion people and the nuclear physicist crowd will not believe that LENR is real unless they see lots of neutrons; this is a good political type experiment. I have to bring some potentially bad news. I've just been told that this Ti-D neutron

[Vo]:Additional paper have been posted on Krivet's site

2012-08-17 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
Within the last few hours. http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2012/ICCF17/ICCF-17.shtml Jeff

Re: [Vo]:Additional paper have been posted on Krivet's site

2012-08-17 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
Krivit, sorry. Sheesh. On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com wrote: Within the last few hours. http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2012/ICCF17/ICCF-17.shtml Jeff

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes -- Fully reproducible

2012-08-17 Thread Daniel Rocha
Not really bad news. Ed Storms came up with a theory that fusion happen in cracks of the lattice. Summing that, with what I see in the slides, they are thinking that a BEC of D is forced to be fused by the fractures. So, LENR is a kind of variation of fractofusion. 2012/8/17 Akira Shirakawa

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes -- Fully reproducible

2012-08-17 Thread Axil Axil
The production of neutrons may well be avoidable if the reaction is properly designed. As a model, Rossi has been purifying his reaction for more than a year. My guess is that the use of Deuterium is conducive to neutron production. If the deuterium ion enters into the nucleus of the substrate

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes -- Fully reproducible

2012-08-17 Thread Ruby
On 8/17/12 4:32 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: Not really bad news. Ed Storms came up with a theory that fusion happen in cracks of the lattice. Summing that, with what I see in the slides, they are thinking that a BEC of D is forced to be fused by the fractures. So, LENR is a kind of variation of

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes -- Fully reproducible

2012-08-17 Thread Daniel Rocha
You are believing in all he says. He may only be partially right since LENR could well have several different stages. So, he could be right up to a point, but not right about everything. 2012/8/17 Ruby r...@hush.com Holy moly, what's happening to me? Ruby -- Ruby Carat

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes -- Fully reproducible

2012-08-17 Thread Ruby
On 8/17/12 4:59 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: You are believing in all he says. He may only be partially right since LENR could well have several different stages. So, he could be right up to a point, but not right about everything. I had hoped I was describing faithfully what *his* claims are.

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes -- Fully reproducible

2012-08-17 Thread Daniel Rocha
You asked what was happening to you... 2012/8/17 Ruby r...@hush.com On 8/17/12 4:59 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: You are believing in all he says. He may only be partially right since LENR could well have several different stages. So, he could be right up to a point, but not right about

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes - dangerous?

2012-08-17 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
Widom Larsen postulate that the neutrons are produced when a proton captures an electron. The process is endothermic (energy must be supplied or it will not occur) so the neutrons initially have extremely low energy (cold). As a result they are nearly stationary and don't leave the material. Also

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes - dangerous?

2012-08-17 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
In the other thread there is a comment to the effect that this is a small-scale hot fusion effect (fractofusion). My comments would not apply. Part of the complexity of the field is that there isn't just one LENR; there are apparently a whole bunch of different phenomena requiring distinct

Re: [Vo]:Additional paper have been posted on Krivet's site

2012-08-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
All of the pre-prints were distributed on a flash card. I will upload them when I return. Krivit has already done so, I see. I don't see why you say sheesh about him. He is being helpful. Krivit did not attend the conference. This was a well organized conference. The organizers demanded that

[Vo]:Some doubts expressed about Celani demonstration

2012-08-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Several experts in calorimetry expressed doubts about the Celani demonstration at ICCF17. Mike McKubre in particular feels that it is impossible to judge whether it really produced heat or not, because the method is poor. He does not say he is sure there was no heat; he simply does not know.

Re: [Vo]:LENR and Fermi Acceleration

2012-08-17 Thread mixent
In reply to pagnu...@htdconnect.com's message of Fri, 17 Aug 2012 13:11:31 -0400 (EDT): Hi, [snip] Pardon for this very late postscript, time is hard to find. I believe you assume a wave function totally confined in all 3-dimensions. This is probably not what was intended. It is easy to find

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes - dangerous?

2012-08-17 Thread mixent
In reply to Jeff Berkowitz's message of Fri, 17 Aug 2012 17:28:04 -0700: Hi, [snip] Widom Larsen postulate that the neutrons are produced when a proton captures an electron. The process is endothermic (energy must be supplied or it will not occur) so the neutrons initially have extremely low

Re: [Vo]:Life Imitating Science

2012-08-17 Thread Harry Veeder
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 1:35 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Are you certain or uncertain? I can't decide. certainly undecided harry

Re: [Vo]:Some doubts expressed about Celani demonstration

2012-08-17 Thread Daniel Rocha
10x gasoline. 1 or 2 weeks would be 10,000. The upper limit for fusion in general is around 200.000. 6 months of operation (sounds like Rossi...). 2012/8/17 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com He has run it for as long as a month, so a 1 or 2 week self-sustaining run should not be a problem.

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes - dangerous?

2012-08-17 Thread Harry Veeder
If it involves a shock procedure it sounds similiar to the piezonuclear systems studied by Cardone et al and they too obeserved neutrons. Piezonuclear neutrons from fracturing of inert solids http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0903/0903.3104.pdf (This was published in Physics Letters A) Harry On

Re: [Vo]:Some doubts expressed about Celani demonstration

2012-08-17 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-08-18 02:53, Jed Rothwell wrote: Celani hopes to run it in self-sustaining mode with better insulation. That will put to rest all questions about calorimetry. He hopes to do this as quickly as 2 weeks from now! More power to him. Given the interest this device generated it would be

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes -- Fully reproducible

2012-08-17 Thread Harry Veeder
If the neutrons could be collimated they could be used in neutron scattering experiments. Harry On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 7:06 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Well, Daniel If those neutrons are real, they would still be welcome news. Hopefully, the reaction could be modulated to reduce

Re: [Vo]:Additional paper have been posted on Krivet's site

2012-08-17 Thread Daniel Rocha
He told something nice. ICCF 18 will be in Missouri... Well, I didn't know that... 2012/8/17 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com All of the pre-prints were distributed on a flash card. I will upload them when I return. Krivit has already done so, I see. I don't see why you say sheesh about

Re: [Vo]:LENR and Fermi Acceleration

2012-08-17 Thread Harry Veeder
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 8:57 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to pagnu...@htdconnect.com's message of Fri, 17 Aug 2012 13:11:31 -0400 (EDT): Hi, [snip] Pardon for this very late postscript, time is hard to find. I believe you assume a wave function totally confined in all

Re: [Vo]:Some doubts expressed about Celani demonstration

2012-08-17 Thread Robert Lynn
From those numbers (30°C room, 120°C at 48W and 140°C when LENR active) I calculate 16W excess if you assume all radiative heat transfer. But it will actually be slightly less than that because the hotter tube surface will convect heat away at a rate that is roughly proportional to the air to

Re: [Vo]:LENR and Fermi Acceleration

2012-08-17 Thread pagnucco
Hello Harry, You asked -- So, the measuring instrument itself will produce energy, if it is used to precisely measure the energy of a particle? Probably not. But maybe there are subtleties that obey the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, but allow for some counterintuitive effects. For example, refer

Re: [Vo]:Some doubts expressed about Celani demonstration

2012-08-17 Thread James Bowery
Isn't 23 years of torture enough? On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 7:53 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Several experts in calorimetry expressed doubts about the Celani demonstration at ICCF17. Mike McKubre in particular feels that it is impossible to judge whether it really produced

RE: [Vo]:Some doubts expressed about Celani demonstration

2012-08-17 Thread Jones Beene
From: Robert Lynn [snip] Add that 25.2 to the 36.7 and subtract 48 input and you get 14W excess.. I think you can pretty confidently state that it is over 10W. Nice work. Thanks. Is there any way to guesstimate - assuming the best reasonable kind of insulation is added to

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes -- Fully reproducible

2012-08-17 Thread pagnucco
Ruby, More important than whether there is a difference between LENR and fractofusion are the questions - - Have Miley, et al, produced more energy than other fractofusion results? - Can the effect be scaled up beyond what fractofusion attained to date? - Are the transmutations real and

Re: [Vo]:Re: ProdEngAssemble.avi

2012-08-17 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
That death was from a chemical explosion. SRI, recombiner gunked up, researcher picked up the cell, gunk fell off, fast recomb,. Bang! He died, McKubre still has glass in him. As I recall reading. Closed cells are dangerous. LENR *could* be dangerous. Unreliable can cut both ways. Sent

[Vo]:Updated Miley Nuclear Battery Presentation

2012-08-17 Thread pagnucco
NUCLEAR BATTERY USING D-CLUSTERS IN NANO-MATERIALS --- PLUS SOME COMMENTS ABOUT PRIOR ABOUT PRIOR H2-Ni POWER CELL STUDIES - George H. Miley, Xiaoling. Yang, Heinrich Hora http://www.slideshare.net/ssusereeef70/nuclear-battery-using-clusters-in-nanomaterials

Re: [Vo]:Miley, et al - 62M Neutrons within 5 minutes - dangerous?

2012-08-17 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
This comment has apparently turned out to be astute ... On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 6:35 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: If it involves a shock procedure it sounds similiar to the piezonuclear systems studied by Cardone et al and they too obeserved neutrons. Piezonuclear neutrons

Re: [Vo]:Additional paper have been posted on Krivet's site

2012-08-17 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
The sheesh was because in my original mail, I spelled his name wrong. Which seemed rude when I realized I had done it. I was not intending to say anything about content with the sheesh. Jeff On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: All of the pre-prints were

Re: [Vo]:Some doubts expressed about Celani demonstration

2012-08-17 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
Good calorimetry is difficult, but comparisons are not. Wouldn't it be sufficient to demonstrate two parallel implementations, one with an unprocessed CONSTANTAN wire and no H2, one with a processed wire and H2, and measure the difference using the same approach? Why do I even have to pose this

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