Re: [Vo]:November Popular Science Cold Fusion- " actual read"...hmmmmm.

2012-10-15 Thread Peter Gluck
Good metaphor, but some pioneers are shooting those arrows themselves. Reasons unknown. Peter On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 11:25 PM, Ron Kita wrote: > Greetings Vortex-L > > I quickly bought a copy of the November issue. The article is entitled: > Anderea Rossi s Black Box by Steven Featherstone. >

Re: [Vo]:video: An Explanation of Low-energy Nuclear Reactions (Cold Fusion) by Edmund Storms

2012-10-15 Thread Chuck Sites
Wow. Please forgive me if you haven't seen Dr. Edmund Storms video interview, but that was one the most convincing theoretical arguments for as type of fracto-fusion cold fusion event I've seen. It makes perfect sense. I've studied enough electron-micrographs to know that the type of disloca

Re: [Vo]:CR39

2012-10-15 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 7:14 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Kowalski does not "believe" that the tracks he found were caused by > electrolysis. He considers that one possible explanation. Kowalski is quite > careful. He is looking at clusters. Oriani reported some clusters, but > clusters aren't

Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update

2012-10-15 Thread ChemE Stewart
5 Mg dosage works best. Why would some dumbass draw a Melatonin molecule in a field? I guess I could be boiling quarters or popping air with champion spark plugs in my garage... Does everybody realize how weird we all sound? FYI, update on my Hurricane prediction from 9/25: The Good: Some of

RE: [Vo]:November Popular Science- not kind to Rossi

2012-10-15 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
>From Jed: > I don't mind Krivit. I guess I would if he attacked me the way he attacks McKubre. I see that M. Krivit concludes his NET report with the following statements: From: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiECat/Andrea-Rossi-Energy-Catalyzer-Inve stigation-Index.shtml >

Re: [Vo]:video: An Explanation of Low-energy Nuclear Reactions (Cold Fusion) by Edmund Storms

2012-10-15 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Emeka Okafor wrote: > A. Xaaq -- zq q > > Sent from my iPhone I guess it's more than the mapping s/w, eh?

RE: [Vo]:November Popular Science- not kind to Rossi

2012-10-15 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Jed sez: ... > In Japan people are also biased against regional and rural dialects, > which are rapidly disappearing. This may impact my retirement plans > for when I am 90, blind and wheelchair bound. I hope to spend my > remaining days ensconced in the back room of some seedy bar or h

Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started

2012-10-15 Thread Chuck Sites
Keep us updated Dave, I never saw sparks in my experiments so you are onto something new. I do remembers several events though, that are just as you described, the voltage and current will just swing madly around as the water boils and it will last as long as electrolyte is available. But beca

Re: [Vo]:video: An Explanation of Low-energy Nuclear Reactions (Cold Fusion) by Edmund Storms

2012-10-15 Thread Emeka Okafor
A. Xaaq -- zq q Sent from my iPhone On Aug 24, 2012, at 8:17 AM, Jojo Jaro wrote: > Oustanding work Ruby. > > Does anyone know which paper of Roy Stanley he is referring to. Sorry, I am > not very informed about some of the work Ed Storms is referring to. > > Jojo > > PS: I will w

Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started

2012-10-15 Thread David Roberson
One final note that I want to include. I allowed the experiment to go into the unusual mode for the third time and made some measurements. The electrolyte was boiling as in the first two observations and I also noted sparks being emitted. Unfortunately, I let the system become too hot and it

Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update

2012-10-15 Thread James Bowery
While it certainly makes sense that dark matter melatonin tablets would carve out crop circles in the shape of their constituent molecules, this only opens up even more enigmatic questions such as: Do the dark matter melatonin pills come in 3mg or 10mg? On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 3:45 PM, ChemE Stew

Re: [Vo]:November Popular Science- not kind to Rossi

2012-10-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: > It's possible I'm being harder on Krivit than necessary.Nevertheless, > his handling or Rossi's broken English was the straw that really broke > the back for me. > That was tacky. Also, strangely old-fashioned. People used to do that in popular culture and

Re: [Vo]:Sci. Am. comments on documentary "The Believers"

2012-10-15 Thread Robert Dorr
Jed, I see where Mary YouKnow got her 2 cents in. I actually think this may be a good documentary, and I stress the "may be". Bob http://blogs.scientificamerican.c

Re: [Vo]:November Popular Science- not kind to Rossi

2012-10-15 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Jed sez: >> Krivit has felt this way with other individuals, including one >> particularly vocal Vort member who begged to differ with the >> investigative reporter's extensive analysis of McKubre's M4 data. > > Who? Me? Krivit is silly about this. McKubre is pretty upset with him > though. Nope

Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started

2012-10-15 Thread David Roberson
I have an interesting addition to this report. After I cleaned up the deposits and added water and electrolyte I let my experiment continue electrolysis. The effect happened again with some interesting differences. I noticed that the thin layer that coated the electrolyte bath came in the for

Re: [Vo]:November Popular Science- not kind to Rossi

2012-10-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: > Krivit has felt this way with other individuals, including > one particularly vocal Vort member who begged to differ with > the investigative reporter's extensive analysis of McKubre's M4 data. Who? Me? Krivit is silly about this. McKubre is pretty upset

Re: [Vo]:New papers from W.-S. Zhang

2012-10-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Zhang also send me one of Ed's paper which he translated into Chinese. I just corrected the title. It is listed in the most recent list: http://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/?page_id=1097 - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update

2012-10-15 Thread ChemE Stewart
Melatonin Research http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15485549 It is pretty well understood that dark matter and energy are striking earth constantly in the form of Neutrinos and probably WIMPS - they are still looking for them all pelting us during solar storms. In My research, I believe have l

[Vo]:November Popular Science Cold Fusion- " actual read"...hmmmmm.

2012-10-15 Thread Ron Kita
Greetings Vortex-L I quickly bought a copy of the November issue. The article is entitled: Anderea Rossi s Black Box by Steven Featherstone. Being a disciple and close friend of the late Dr Mallove, I must say that with slow reading- the 7 page article is not to bad. The intro is positive o

[Vo]:New papers from W.-S. Zhang

2012-10-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
See: http://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/?page_id=1097 In this paper: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/ZhangWSconstructia.pdf . . . he complains about the Thermonetics calorimeter, which he used in Dash's lab. See: http://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/DashSeebeckcloseup.jpg - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update

2012-10-15 Thread ChemE Stewart
Good stuff, couple of comments. I think Papp used his surrounding coil to help remove the charged particles to prevent the buildup he is seeing. Are you sure those are only electrons creating the blue aurora? Many types of "cosmic" charged particles should do that. http://news.softpedia.com/newsI

Re: [Vo]:Hunt Utilities Group calibration data

2012-10-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Akira Shirakawa wrote: > > Too bad the page loads very slowly when attempting to view more than the > previous 2 minutes of data shown. I see what you mean. Let's tell them there is a problem. It is probably a malfunction. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started

2012-10-15 Thread David Roberson
I had an exciting afternoon. I replaced my control nickel with the 40 plus hour heat treated one that resembles an old penny now and began electrolysis. The reading of voltage was a bit unusual after the first hour of operation so I replenished the water and added a little additional sodium ca

Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update

2012-10-15 Thread Axil Axil
One interesting observation that has come out of Russ’s experimentation so far is that a large high energy electron charge persists for a long time after an initiating high powered instantaneous spark discharge occurs. Russ has seen charge ionization last for a very long time. The signs that this

Re: [Vo]:Hunt Utilities Group calibration data

2012-10-15 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-10-15 20:58, Jed Rothwell wrote: See: http://www.hugnetlab.com/celani2/ Too bad the page loads very slowly when attempting to view more than the previous 2 minutes of data shown. It looks like they're loading all data points (1 per second) even when trying to view extended periods of

[Vo]:Hunt Utilities Group calibration data

2012-10-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
See: http://www.hugnetlab.com/celani2/ These are the people shown in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=26k3Cz3wW-8 - Jed

Re: [Vo]:November Popular Science- not kind to Rossi

2012-10-15 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Based on my own past associations with Mr. Krivt, he really likes to bring it on. I think Krivit envisions himself as one of those scrappy investigators that likes to stick it to his targets - like a festering thorn. This tactic often seemed to have worked in past investigations. However, it remain

Re: [Vo]:Sci. Am. comments on documentary "The Believers"

2012-10-15 Thread Ruby
My pal Eli will be at the premiere in Chicago on Oct. 20 to check it out. He's bringing some t-shirts and stickers for promo, perhaps to counteract the negative slant. We'll get an honest report from him afterwards. I contacted the filmmakers about facilitating screenings at universities whe

Re: [Vo]:November Popular Science- not kind to Rossi

2012-10-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: > This is a serious distortion. It should say that he was convicted of a > white-collar crime but later fully exonerated by the courts. > Whatever you think of Rossi, the legal facts are clear: he was fully exonerated. Not pardoned; exonerated. Meaning that in the eyes of the law he was

Re: [Vo]:November Popular Science- not kind to Rossi

2012-10-15 Thread Peter Gluck
If I remember correctly, Steve Krivit has stated he will ignore Rossi. Anyway Rossi was not convicted for the E-Cat, just for promising to make fuel from trash. Peter On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: > His 1st statement is also the only description of Rossi in the text. He >

Re: [Vo]:November Popular Science- not kind to Rossi

2012-10-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Krivit wrote: "Andrea Rossi is a convicted white-collar criminal with a string of failed energy ventures." This is a serious distortion. It should say that he was convicted of a white-collar crime but later fully exonerated by the courts. I do not know about the other failed energy ventures. I gu

Re: [Vo]:Sci. Am. comments on documentary "The Believers"

2012-10-15 Thread Daniel Rocha
Yeah, reading her comments about the movie is a bit scary. She liked it for putting a human face on the researchers of cold fusion, but not before calling it a "discovery"... 2012/10/15 Jed Rothwell > See: > > > http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/psi-vid/2012/10/14/the-believers-cold-fusion-at-

[Vo]:Sci. Am. comments on documentary "The Believers"

2012-10-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
See: http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/psi-vid/2012/10/14/the-believers-cold-fusion-at-the-chicago-international-film-festival/ I get a bad feeling about this documentary. I don't like the trailer. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:November Popular Science- not kind to Rossi

2012-10-15 Thread Daniel Rocha
His 1st statement is also the only description of Rossi in the text. He writes: " Andrea Rossi is a convicted white-collar criminal with a string of failed energy ventures." 2012/10/15 Jeff Berkowitz > Mr. Krivit (New Energy Times) has also updated his critical comments about > Mr. Rossi, and

Re: [Vo]:November Popular Science- not kind to Rossi

2012-10-15 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
Mr. Krivit (New Energy Times) has also updated his critical comments about Mr. Rossi, and the result is not paywalled. FYI. http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiECat/Andrea-Rossi-Energy-Catalyzer-Investigation-Index.shtml Jeff On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 7:13 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote: > How is it p

RE: [Vo]:FTL and the 21 cm line

2012-10-15 Thread Jones Beene
Imagine a hydrogen molecule in a 10 nm dia. Casimir cavity. Inside the cavity, there are a few virtual photon frequencies which are suppressed due to the geometry. That is standard physics. These are EUV equivalent frequencies. If the "lack of" this background energy, is itself active for spin-f

Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started

2012-10-15 Thread Jack Cole
Abd, Thanks for your explanation. That is very helpful. Here is my raw data if you are interested. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmQQao2qEYIfdE9rTlplRVZ0STI0a1IwaGlXWVNWbGc I do think chemistry is happening with the Borax. Jack On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 11:08 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lo

Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started

2012-10-15 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:04 AM 10/15/2012, David Roberson wrote: It will be interesting to see how well the stainless steel holds up. I tried a stainless steel spoon as an electrode and it worked fairly well but eventually began to rust. Perhaps the quality of steel makes a difference. 316L stainless steel is

[Vo]:FTL and the 21 cm line

2012-10-15 Thread Jones Beene
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1002.1854.pdf This is a provocative paper - especially for those with imagination and looking for anomalous energy in hydrides. The 21 cm line could be of major causative interest here - but that is out of the scope of this paper. <>

Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started

2012-10-15 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
All of this work is suspect. First of all, an intepretive issue. First of all, the definition of COP. COP (Coefficient of Performance): A measurement of the instantaneous efficiency of heating or cooling equipment. It represents the steady-state rate of energy output of the equipment divided b

Re: [Vo]:November Popular Science- not kind to Rossi

2012-10-15 Thread Daniel Rocha
How is it possible that anyone can be simply kind to Rossi if he always shoots his foot? 2012/10/15 Ron Kita > Greetings Vortex, > > I just received an e-mail from a friend saying Popular Science November > issue was not kind to Rossi, > But I have not seen it yet. > > Any Vortex members have s

[Vo]:November Popular Science- not kind to Rossi

2012-10-15 Thread Ron Kita
Greetings Vortex, I just received an e-mail from a friend saying Popular Science November issue was not kind to Rossi, But I have not seen it yet. Any Vortex members have seen it? I will be going out to see it. Is Popular Science relevant? Respectfully, Ron Kita, Chiralex..will update Po

Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started

2012-10-15 Thread Jack Cole
Thanks for the clarification. My intention there was to calculate watt-hours and to convert that to BTU in the next step. Is this good enough to get a rough estimate? I know it would be much better to have a data logger and do the measurements more frequently. I might do that at some point, but

Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started

2012-10-15 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:28 AM 10/15/2012, Jack Cole wrote: Input power. W = ((Amperage at Time 1 + Amperage at Time 2) / 2) * ((Voltage at Time 1 + Voltage at Time 2) / 2) * (Minutes in interval / 60) You are going to go nuts if you don't keep your units straight, and don't keep in mind the difference betwee

Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started

2012-10-15 Thread Jack Cole
After stopping the experiment and watching the temp drop, I see I was losing more heat than I thought. Taking this into account there appear to have been times over 100% efficiency (not including losses of energy to electrolysis). I saw a drop in temp of 2.5F in 60 mins after removing power. The