Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started
It will be interesting to see how well the stainless steel holds up. I tried a stainless steel spoon as an electrode and it worked fairly well but eventually began to rust. Perhaps the quality of steel makes a difference. I have spend most of the last two days calibrating my system and testing a control nickel. A function has been obtained that charts the power input as a function of the electrolyte bath temperature increase. If you take the difference in temperature between the bath at power and ambient and use the following relationship, you arrive at the nominal power inputted to my system. This assumes that there is no excess power and that is pretty well proven with a new nickel. The formula is Power = .0181*Delta Temp*Delta Temp + .4204*Delta Temp. This is a second order relationship which includes the point 0,0 by definition. My electrolysis bath measures 9.8425 cm by 15.875 cm with a depth of approximately 1/2 the diameter of a nickel. The area is 156.25 square cm. The bottom and all four sides are insulated by Styrofoam while the top is open to the air. My main test region is centered upon a power input of 20 watts with 2 amps of current. I performed a quick calculation of the radiation losses and it is apparent that most of the heat is escaping elsewhere. At the moment I am torn between wanting to treat my copper colored heat treated nickel with acid or continuing to look for excess heat before that step. I will make that decision tomorrow. Dave -Original Message- From: Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Oct 14, 2012 5:22 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started Better results today, but still under-unity. I replaced the anode with 4 stainless steel washers soldered directly to the wire. Starting temp of the surrounding bath was 69.4F and last measure was 85.2F (for 1 gallon of water + 5 oz in the electrolytic cell). Average ambient temp 70.2F. Average input voltage is 12.1 and current is .69. Average COP .66 (low=.52 high=.80). Of course there is energy loss with power going into the electrolysis, which has not been included in the calculations. I'll keep it running and see how hot it can get or if anything changes. Jack On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 6:20 AM, Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com wrote: After running all night with my new setup, I observe no excess heat. The current dropped throughout the run. The COP values start at .43 and trail off to .12 at the end. Back to the drawing board. Thanks for your write-up Jeff. I have definitely seen significant heating in my experiments using a higher current level than you are using, but does not approach unity based on my last experiment. On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 11:33 PM, Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com wrote: A couple of us tried electrolysis with nickels in Borax today. No excess heat was observed. There are details here: http://pdxlenr.blogspot.com/2012/10/no-heating-observed-while-electrolyzing.html Jeff On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 8:13 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: You might try to erode the copper extrusions that erupt from the center of the coin. These copper eruptions have been produced by repeated heating. Remove this copper by etching the heat treated nickel in acid. This etching should produce the micro holes that we are interested in. Cheers: Axil On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 10:54 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Hi Jack, I am likewise interested in your results. The circulation pump might be an idea that I should incorporate since I am very carefully placing my temperature probe at the same location for readings. On occasions I get data that seems out of place by a couple of degrees C which might be due to the lack of mixing. Most of the time my data falls within a degree of the trend line using Excel. Today, I can definitely tell that I am not getting excess heat from my heat treated nickel. I substitute a fresh one as a control with the same current and placement. Today, the data from both samples are very close together within 1 watt out of 20 watts of heating. In my control run, the untreated nickel actually displays the slightly higher reading. My experimental setup consists of a medium sized salad container from Kroger food market surrounded by Styrofoam bottom and walls with the top open. The electrolyte is maintained at approximately one half the height of my sample nickels. I use small alligator clips and leads to connect to the supply which is a laboratory quality one that can output up to 60 volts DC if required. The sodium carbonate electrolyte typically allows me to drive 2 amps of current into the device with a voltage drop of 10 to 11 volts. My electrolyte bath is operating at 45 C at that current level. I generally make a calibration run by varying the current from 1 amp to 2.5 amps and accurately measuring the supply voltage. This gives me
Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started
After stopping the experiment and watching the temp drop, I see I was losing more heat than I thought. Taking this into account there appear to have been times over 100% efficiency (not including losses of energy to electrolysis). I saw a drop in temp of 2.5F in 60 mins after removing power. The temp of the 1 gallon of water dropped 16.9F in 7 hrs. So I have an average of 2.4F temp loss per hour. To be conservative, I factor 2F of heat loss into my formula, and exclude earlier values in the run where the ambient temp and bath temp differ by less than 10F. Here are my COP calculations with those assumptions. Time COP 14:56:00 1.43 15:19:00 1.3 15:36:00 1.12 15:51:00 1.2 17:03:00 1.2 17:50:00 1.12 18:52:00 0.98 19:51:00 0.93 20:09:00 0.95 Here is how I calculate COP (sorry I use English units, I'll convert to metric in subsequent experiments). Input power. W = ((Amperage at Time 1 + Amperage at Time 2) / 2) * ((Voltage at Time 1 + Voltage at Time 2) / 2) * (Minutes in interval / 60) Then convert to BTU. Input BTU = W / .293 (converting watts to BTU) Output Power. Output BTU = (Temp at time 2 - temp at time 1 + (2 * (minutes in interval / 60))) * (134.25/16) Note - 134.25 is the weight of water in the surrounding bath and electrolytic cell in ounces and the 2 refers to heat loss per hour. COP = Output BTU / Input BTU Please let me know if you see any errors in my formulas or logic. Even if I presume a heat loss of 1.5F per hour, four of the values in the above table still give over-unity COP. What I don't like about what I did above is needing to calculate in heat loss. I suppose I can wrap the styrofoam bucket in insulation (Rossi-style). Jack On Oct 14, 2012 4:21 PM, Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com wrote: Better results today, but still under-unity. I replaced the anode with 4 stainless steel washers soldered directly to the wire. Starting temp of the surrounding bath was 69.4F and last measure was 85.2F (for 1 gallon of water + 5 oz in the electrolytic cell). Average ambient temp 70.2F. Average input voltage is 12.1 and current is .69. Average COP .66 (low=.52 high=.80). Of course there is energy loss with power going into the electrolysis, which has not been included in the calculations. I'll keep it running and see how hot it can get or if anything changes. Jack On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 6:20 AM, Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com wrote: After running all night with my new setup, I observe no excess heat. The current dropped throughout the run. The COP values start at .43 and trail off to .12 at the end. Back to the drawing board. Thanks for your write-up Jeff. I have definitely seen significant heating in my experiments using a higher current level than you are using, but does not approach unity based on my last experiment. On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 11:33 PM, Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.comwrote: A couple of us tried electrolysis with nickels in Borax today. No excess heat was observed. There are details here: http://pdxlenr.blogspot.com/2012/10/no-heating-observed-while-electrolyzing.html Jeff On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 8:13 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: You might try to erode the copper extrusions that erupt from the center of the coin. These copper eruptions have been produced by repeated heating. Remove this copper by etching the heat treated nickel in acid. This etching should produce the micro holes that we are interested in. Cheers: Axil On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 10:54 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.comwrote: Hi Jack, I am likewise interested in your results. The circulation pump might be an idea that I should incorporate since I am very carefully placing my temperature probe at the same location for readings. On occasions I get data that seems out of place by a couple of degrees C which might be due to the lack of mixing. Most of the time my data falls within a degree of the trend line using Excel. Today, I can definitely tell that I am not getting excess heat from my heat treated nickel. I substitute a fresh one as a control with the same current and placement. Today, the data from both samples are very close together within 1 watt out of 20 watts of heating. In my control run, the untreated nickel actually displays the slightly higher reading. My experimental setup consists of a medium sized salad container from Kroger food market surrounded by Styrofoam bottom and walls with the top open. The electrolyte is maintained at approximately one half the height of my sample nickels. I use small alligator clips and leads to connect to the supply which is a laboratory quality one that can output up to 60 volts DC if required. The sodium carbonate electrolyte typically allows me to drive 2 amps of current into the device with a voltage drop of 10 to 11 volts. My electrolyte bath is operating at 45 C at that current level. I generally make a calibration run by varying the
Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started
At 06:28 AM 10/15/2012, Jack Cole wrote: Input power. W = ((Amperage at Time 1 + Amperage at Time 2) / 2) * ((Voltage at Time 1 + Voltage at Time 2) / 2) * (Minutes in interval / 60) You are going to go nuts if you don't keep your units straight, and don't keep in mind the difference between power and energy. The forumula you give calculates average power for an interval (Time2 - Time1), then multiplies it by the time in hours, presumable to get watt-hours, not watts. Watt-hours are a measure of energy. That's not generally correct, because the energy is the integral of the power over time, not the product of the average energy and the time. If the current has no significant AC component, and you measure voltage and current frequently, you can sum the product in a spreadsheet. Otherwise it gets really complicated. In a standard CF experiment, the voltage/current measurements might be once per minute. Or in more sophisticated experiments, the measurements might be more frequent than that.
Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started
Thanks for the clarification. My intention there was to calculate watt-hours and to convert that to BTU in the next step. Is this good enough to get a rough estimate? I know it would be much better to have a data logger and do the measurements more frequently. I might do that at some point, but I am mainly interested in seeing if my results warrant the additional investment of time and money. Thanks again for your comments and I also wonder if you would think these results merit further experimentation. On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote: At 06:28 AM 10/15/2012, Jack Cole wrote: Input power. W = ((Amperage at Time 1 + Amperage at Time 2) / 2) * ((Voltage at Time 1 + Voltage at Time 2) / 2) * (Minutes in interval / 60) You are going to go nuts if you don't keep your units straight, and don't keep in mind the difference between power and energy. The forumula you give calculates average power for an interval (Time2 - Time1), then multiplies it by the time in hours, presumable to get watt-hours, not watts. Watt-hours are a measure of energy. That's not generally correct, because the energy is the integral of the power over time, not the product of the average energy and the time. If the current has no significant AC component, and you measure voltage and current frequently, you can sum the product in a spreadsheet. Otherwise it gets really complicated. In a standard CF experiment, the voltage/current measurements might be once per minute. Or in more sophisticated experiments, the measurements might be more frequent than that.
[Vo]:November Popular Science- not kind to Rossi
Greetings Vortex, I just received an e-mail from a friend saying Popular Science November issue was not kind to Rossi, But I have not seen it yet. Any Vortex members have seen it? I will be going out to see it. Is Popular Science relevant? Respectfully, Ron Kita, Chiralex..will update Popsci shortly after viewing it.
Re: [Vo]:November Popular Science- not kind to Rossi
How is it possible that anyone can be simply kind to Rossi if he always shoots his foot? 2012/10/15 Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com Greetings Vortex, I just received an e-mail from a friend saying Popular Science November issue was not kind to Rossi, But I have not seen it yet. Any Vortex members have seen it? I will be going out to see it. Is Popular Science relevant? Respectfully, Ron Kita, Chiralex..will update Popsci shortly after viewing it. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started
All of this work is suspect. First of all, an intepretive issue. First of all, the definition of COP. COP (Coefficient of Performance): A measurement of the instantaneous efficiency of heating or cooling equipment. It represents the steady-state rate of energy output of the equipment divided by the steady-state rate of energy input to the equipment, expressed in consistent units (i.e. http://www.fsec.ucf.edu/en/consumer/buildings/homes/ratings/terms.htm#wattwatts-out per watts-in or http://www.fsec.ucf.edu/en/consumer/buildings/homes/ratings/terms.htm#BtuphBtu/h-out per Btu/h-in). Thus, the resultant value of COP is unit less. Most vapor-compression heating and cooling equipment has COPs greater than unity. That means it delivers more heat energy than it consumes. Note, first of all: rate of energy refers to power. That's measured in watts, or BTU/hr. There is a significant level of confusion in writing about cold fusion between excess power (XP) and excess energy. Excess power is instantaneous, it is output power minus input power. That there is XP does not show that there is a nuclear reaction, because chemistry can do it. Further, simple delay can create an appearance of XP. If IP is the input power, then, COP = XP/IP. For example, dump a lot of power into a heating element for a second. The measured temperature of the whole device will rise *later*, as this heat is released to the electrolyte and reaches the temperature-measuring element. If the input power has been turned off, the COP, then, could be infinite, i.e. a rising temperature (for a short time) with no input power. Electrochemical cells can store energy, and that energy might later be released. It will show up, while being released, as XP. While energy is being stored, the cell will show negative XP. What is of true interest is excess *energy*. And because XE can be a result of chemical reactions, we are really looking for *anomalous* XE. This XE must be integrated over the life of the experiment, or one might simply be seeing the result of energy storage. Chemical energy might be stored, as well, in the initial composition of the cell. Cold fusion calorimetry must take into account all the inputs (which includes cell materials) and all the outputs (which includes evolved gas and whatever is left in the cell). So if you are looking for XP alone, you might easily find it, without it meaning much. I don't see the kind of data being reported that would allow someone with skill to interpret the results; instead, you report only a calculated COP. Without knowing the actual data, this isn't particularly meaningful. I'd expect to see -- and do see in raw experimental data from cold fusion researchers -- a spreadsheet with recording of ambient temperature, input current, input voltage, and cell temperature. In most work, input current is held constant (which is good up to well over 100 KHz), there is bubble noise below that frequency, and the power supply can compensate) and voltage varies. Under those conditions, constant current, voltage can be averaged over short periods and thus can be used to calculate input power. If current also varies, the calculation must be an integral, and if the variation is fast, as with bubble noise, the integration must be fast as well, i.e., with short integration intervals. This is why almost all cold fusion work is done with a power supply in constant current mode. You can easily make current regulators with a few dollars' worth of components. The Galileo project included instructions for making cheap current regulators to produce the specified protocol currents. You have calculated the Output Power by making assumptions about the volume of the electrolyte, cooling, etc. In cold fusion calorimetry, of the type you are attempting, OP is determined through calibrations, with known power input (from a heating element). I.e., with a known output power, with a particular experimental setup, there will be a certain temperature rise over ambient. There are still lots of problems, but this approach can get you close. Trying to calculate the heat loss from a cell is quite difficult; one is dealing with radiative loss, which is at the fourth power of the temperature difference, as well as conductive and convection losses. There is also the issue of energy carried away by the generated gases. If you are using DC power input, you might assume that all the generated hydrogen and oxygen are unrecombined. Most of it will be. A sign that you've done everything correctly would be a COP of 1.0 at steady-state. More accurately, the integral of the output energy should equal the integral of the input energy. At 06:28 AM 10/15/2012, Jack Cole wrote: After stopping the experiment and watching the temp drop, I see I was losing more heat than I thought. Taking this into account there appear to have been times over 100% efficiency (not
[Vo]:FTL and the 21 cm line
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1002.1854.pdf This is a provocative paper - especially for those with imagination and looking for anomalous energy in hydrides. The 21 cm line could be of major causative interest here - but that is out of the scope of this paper. attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started
At 01:04 AM 10/15/2012, David Roberson wrote: It will be interesting to see how well the stainless steel holds up. I tried a stainless steel spoon as an electrode and it worked fairly well but eventually began to rust. Perhaps the quality of steel makes a difference. 316L stainless steel is an alloy optimized for corrosion resistance. In some reports, 316L steel is only surpassed by platinum for electrolytic anodes. However, stainless steel contains chromium, so anyone contemplating using stainless steel for electrolytic anodes -- and that would include stainless steel spoons -- should Google stainless steel electrolysis danger or the like, and take precautions. The stainless steel will slowly dissolve, resulting, it has been claimed, in a highly toxic form of chromium in the electrolyte. If so, if the concentration of hexavalent chromium is high enough, the electrolyte would need to be treated as toxic waste. As well, with active electrolysis, there could be some level of chromium contained in mist. It is possible to keep misting low, and one should not breathe the mist from an electrolytic cell, in general, unless the electrolyte is known to be free of toxic contaminants. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexavalent_chromium Unless this issue is clearly resolved, the electrolyte should not simply be dumped in drains or on the ground. There is some level of hysterical reaction to the possibility of hexavalent chromium; the amount from a short length of anode would be small; but I have not thoroughly investigated this. Stainless steel is obviously a common product, and 316L steel is recommended for food and surgical implants. Most of the concern about hexavalent chromium wrt stainless steel is over the welding of stainless steel, which causes airborne chromium, which is quite dangerous. To see a bit of the other side, http://aquauto.com/content/dispose-old-liquid Unfortunately, the exchange did not report the result of an EPA inquiry. I have stainless steel (316L) *yarn*. (This is 12 micron fibers twisted into a singles yarn and then countertwisted into a doubles yarn.) This would provide a lot of surface area But I've never used it for an anode. I sell this as part of a yarn and fiber business I could easily supply this. It's expensive by the kilogram, like $260, but you'd only need a little. If someone wants to try it, email me.
Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started
Abd, Thanks for your explanation. That is very helpful. Here is my raw data if you are interested. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmQQao2qEYIfdE9rTlplRVZ0STI0a1IwaGlXWVNWbGc I do think chemistry is happening with the Borax. Jack On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 11:08 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote: All of this work is suspect. First of all, an intepretive issue. First of all, the definition of COP. COP (Coefficient of Performance): A measurement of the instantaneous efficiency of heating or cooling equipment. It represents the steady-state rate of energy output of the equipment divided by the steady-state rate of energy input to the equipment, expressed in consistent units (i.e. http://www.fsec.ucf.edu/en/**consumer/buildings/homes/** ratings/terms.htm#watthttp://www.fsec.ucf.edu/en/consumer/buildings/homes/ratings/terms.htm#watt watts-**out per watts-in or http://www.fsec.ucf.edu/en/** consumer/buildings/homes/**ratings/terms.htm#Btuphhttp://www.fsec.ucf.edu/en/consumer/buildings/homes/ratings/terms.htm#Btuph Btu/h-**out per Btu/h-in). Thus, the resultant value of COP is unit less. Most vapor-compression heating and cooling equipment has COPs greater than unity. That means it delivers more heat energy than it consumes. Note, first of all: rate of energy refers to power. That's measured in watts, or BTU/hr. There is a significant level of confusion in writing about cold fusion between excess power (XP) and excess energy. Excess power is instantaneous, it is output power minus input power. That there is XP does not show that there is a nuclear reaction, because chemistry can do it. Further, simple delay can create an appearance of XP. If IP is the input power, then, COP = XP/IP. For example, dump a lot of power into a heating element for a second. The measured temperature of the whole device will rise *later*, as this heat is released to the electrolyte and reaches the temperature-measuring element. If the input power has been turned off, the COP, then, could be infinite, i.e. a rising temperature (for a short time) with no input power. Electrochemical cells can store energy, and that energy might later be released. It will show up, while being released, as XP. While energy is being stored, the cell will show negative XP. What is of true interest is excess *energy*. And because XE can be a result of chemical reactions, we are really looking for *anomalous* XE. This XE must be integrated over the life of the experiment, or one might simply be seeing the result of energy storage. Chemical energy might be stored, as well, in the initial composition of the cell. Cold fusion calorimetry must take into account all the inputs (which includes cell materials) and all the outputs (which includes evolved gas and whatever is left in the cell). So if you are looking for XP alone, you might easily find it, without it meaning much. I don't see the kind of data being reported that would allow someone with skill to interpret the results; instead, you report only a calculated COP. Without knowing the actual data, this isn't particularly meaningful. I'd expect to see -- and do see in raw experimental data from cold fusion researchers -- a spreadsheet with recording of ambient temperature, input current, input voltage, and cell temperature. In most work, input current is held constant (which is good up to well over 100 KHz), there is bubble noise below that frequency, and the power supply can compensate) and voltage varies. Under those conditions, constant current, voltage can be averaged over short periods and thus can be used to calculate input power. If current also varies, the calculation must be an integral, and if the variation is fast, as with bubble noise, the integration must be fast as well, i.e., with short integration intervals. This is why almost all cold fusion work is done with a power supply in constant current mode. You can easily make current regulators with a few dollars' worth of components. The Galileo project included instructions for making cheap current regulators to produce the specified protocol currents. You have calculated the Output Power by making assumptions about the volume of the electrolyte, cooling, etc. In cold fusion calorimetry, of the type you are attempting, OP is determined through calibrations, with known power input (from a heating element). I.e., with a known output power, with a particular experimental setup, there will be a certain temperature rise over ambient. There are still lots of problems, but this approach can get you close. Trying to calculate the heat loss from a cell is quite difficult; one is dealing with radiative loss, which is at the fourth power of the temperature difference, as well as conductive and convection losses. There is also the issue of energy carried away by the generated gases. If you are using DC power input, you might assume that all
RE: [Vo]:FTL and the 21 cm line
Imagine a hydrogen molecule in a 10 nm dia. Casimir cavity. Inside the cavity, there are a few virtual photon frequencies which are suppressed due to the geometry. That is standard physics. These are EUV equivalent frequencies. If the lack of this background energy, is itself active for spin-flipping, which is an operative hypothesis for the Reiter-effect, can this mechanism provide excess heat, in principle? That is not standard physics, since it would amount to less is more and in effect, we are talking about a deficit of something (in another dimension) having an energetic effect in 3-space. Clearly, the answer for a few of us who believe in a nanometer or Casimir connection to excess heat, is yes. The tiny bit of microwave energy in the hydrogen line comes from the atomic transition between the two hyperfine levels (spin orientation) of the hydrogen ground, with an energy difference between the two orientations of 5.87 µeV. This means that it takes slightly over one million spin flips or spin-orientation reversals to amount to 6 eV, if there is asymmetry. But at trigger conditions of 350C. the cavity oscillates in the terahertz range, with the virtual photon energy at much higher, so a million reversals amount to one-in-a-million IR oscillations. Which is another way of looking at it - the interaction of real IR with virtual EUV. This 6 eV is about 5 times the energy of combustion (1.25 eV) - if the hydrogen were burned in air, but it is not burned. _ http://arxiv.org/pdf/1002.1854.pdf This is a provocative paper - especially for those with imagination and looking for anomalous energy in hydrides. The 21 cm line could be of major causative interest here - but that is out of the scope of this paper. attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:November Popular Science- not kind to Rossi
Mr. Krivit (New Energy Times) has also updated his critical comments about Mr. Rossi, and the result is not paywalled. FYI. http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiECat/Andrea-Rossi-Energy-Catalyzer-Investigation-Index.shtml Jeff On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 7:13 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: How is it possible that anyone can be simply kind to Rossi if he always shoots his foot? 2012/10/15 Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com Greetings Vortex, I just received an e-mail from a friend saying Popular Science November issue was not kind to Rossi, But I have not seen it yet. Any Vortex members have seen it? I will be going out to see it. Is Popular Science relevant? Respectfully, Ron Kita, Chiralex..will update Popsci shortly after viewing it. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:November Popular Science- not kind to Rossi
His 1st statement is also the only description of Rossi in the text. He writes: Andrea Rossi is a convicted white-collar criminal with a string of failed energy ventures. 2012/10/15 Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com Mr. Krivit (New Energy Times) has also updated his critical comments about Mr. Rossi, and the result is not paywalled. FYI. http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiECat/Andrea-Rossi-Energy-Catalyzer-Investigation-Index.shtml Jeff On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 7:13 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: How is it possible that anyone can be simply kind to Rossi if he always shoots his foot? 2012/10/15 Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com Greetings Vortex, I just received an e-mail from a friend saying Popular Science November issue was not kind to Rossi, But I have not seen it yet. Any Vortex members have seen it? I will be going out to see it. Is Popular Science relevant? Respectfully, Ron Kita, Chiralex..will update Popsci shortly after viewing it. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
[Vo]:Sci. Am. comments on documentary The Believers
See: http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/psi-vid/2012/10/14/the-believers-cold-fusion-at-the-chicago-international-film-festival/ I get a bad feeling about this documentary. I don't like the trailer. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Sci. Am. comments on documentary The Believers
Yeah, reading her comments about the movie is a bit scary. She liked it for putting a human face on the researchers of cold fusion, but not before calling it a discovery... 2012/10/15 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com See: http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/psi-vid/2012/10/14/the-believers-cold-fusion-at-the-chicago-international-film-festival/ I get a bad feeling about this documentary. I don't like the trailer. - Jed -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:November Popular Science- not kind to Rossi
Krivit wrote: Andrea Rossi is a convicted white-collar criminal with a string of failed energy ventures. This is a serious distortion. It should say that he was convicted of a white-collar crime but later fully exonerated by the courts. I do not know about the other failed energy ventures. I guess this means the thermoelectric venture. Getting back to the subject of this thread, has anyone see the November Popular Science? They don't have magazines in drugstores anymore, and there are practically no bookstores left in Atlanta. Amazon.com has done them in. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:November Popular Science- not kind to Rossi
If I remember correctly, Steve Krivit has stated he will ignore Rossi. Anyway Rossi was not convicted for the E-Cat, just for promising to make fuel from trash. Peter On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: His 1st statement is also the only description of Rossi in the text. He writes: Andrea Rossi is a convicted white-collar criminal with a string of failed energy ventures. 2012/10/15 Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com Mr. Krivit (New Energy Times) has also updated his critical comments about Mr. Rossi, and the result is not paywalled. FYI. http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiECat/Andrea-Rossi-Energy-Catalyzer-Investigation-Index.shtml Jeff On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 7:13 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: How is it possible that anyone can be simply kind to Rossi if he always shoots his foot? 2012/10/15 Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com Greetings Vortex, I just received an e-mail from a friend saying Popular Science November issue was not kind to Rossi, But I have not seen it yet. Any Vortex members have seen it? I will be going out to see it. Is Popular Science relevant? Respectfully, Ron Kita, Chiralex..will update Popsci shortly after viewing it. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:November Popular Science- not kind to Rossi
I wrote: This is a serious distortion. It should say that he was convicted of a white-collar crime but later fully exonerated by the courts. Whatever you think of Rossi, the legal facts are clear: he was fully exonerated. Not pardoned; exonerated. Meaning that in the eyes of the law he was never guilty in the first place. It was a miscarriage of justice. Perhaps Krivit feels the original sentence was just and should not have been overturned. However, legal decisions are absolute. They are binary, and not disputable. A person is either guilty or innocent in the eyes of the law. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Sci. Am. comments on documentary The Believers
My pal Eli will be at the premiere in Chicago on Oct. 20 to check it out. He's bringing some t-shirts and stickers for promo, perhaps to counteract the negative slant. We'll get an honest report from him afterwards. I contacted the filmmakers about facilitating screenings at universities where cold fusion scientists operate. Haven't heard anything yet Crossing my fingers, Ruby On 10/15/12 10:37 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote: Yeah, reading her comments about the movie is a bit scary. She liked it for putting a human face on the researchers of cold fusion, but not before calling it a discovery... 2012/10/15 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com See: http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/psi-vid/2012/10/14/the-believers-cold-fusion-at-the-chicago-international-film-festival/ I get a bad feeling about this documentary. I don't like the trailer. - Jed -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com mailto:danieldi...@gmail.com -- Ruby Carat United States 1-707-616-4894 Skype ruby-carat www.coldfusionnow.org http://www.coldfusionnow.org
Re: [Vo]:November Popular Science- not kind to Rossi
Based on my own past associations with Mr. Krivt, he really likes to bring it on. I think Krivit envisions himself as one of those scrappy investigators that likes to stick it to his targets - like a festering thorn. This tactic often seemed to have worked in past investigations. However, it remains to be seen if it will produce the desired results against Rossi. I suspect Rossi is a lot more resilient than SK is capable of comprehending. It seems to me that constantly bringing up Rossi's past white collar convictions suggests (at least to me) that Mr. Krivit may not really have all that much hard evidence in which to convict Rossi with. I was also struck by something Mr. Rothwell recently brought up: Perhaps Krivit feels the original [white collar conviction] sentence was just and should not have been overturned. It seems to me that Mr. Krivit continues to bring up Rossi's past convictions for no other reason than it suits him to perceive Mr. Rossi as a nothing more than unsavory criminal. In a sense Rossi has become the personification of an evil character that Krivit needs to place on a pedestal - an effigy to constantly spit at. I suspect Krivit has felt this way with other individuals, including one particularly vocal Vort member who begged to differ with the investigative reporter's extensive analysis of McKubre's M4 data. In Krivit's mind, Rossi has become a personification of everything that is bad about the Alternative Energy world. Captain Ahab is hunting his whale. I think it's pretty obvious to most that there is little respect affection between Rossi and Krivit. As such,I have little faith in Krivit's ability to be objective when it comes to analyzing the complexities and contradictions that make up Andrea Rossi's persona. It's as if it's beyond Krivit's capacity. I recall a previous attempt on Krivit's part to make Rossi out as a befuddled thinker in front of his readership. He quoted Andrea's broken and halting English speech patterns verbatim in an attempt to insinuate that Rossi couldn't think very clearly. To have done so in such a manner is something no professional reporter in his right mind would think of doing. But that didn't stop Mr. Krivit, whom I presume perceives himself as a professional investigative reporter. Perhaps Mr. Krivit might complain that I'm bringing up something a little unsavory from the reporter's own past reporting style that perhaps he is no longer happy about. Perhaps he even wishes it would remain buried. If so, what compassion and understanding has Mr. Krivit shown towards Rossi, of Rossi's alleged past - which incidentally in the eyes of the law Rossi was exonerated of? With that said, I can understand why Mr. Krivit remains highly suspicious of Mr. Rossi. The blatant truth of the matter is that this flamboyant Italian does not help his own case. As I understand it, Rossi's refuses to be up front with his own experimental data. It makes him out to be a charlatan in the eyes of many. Most have every right to remain suspicious of Mr. Rossi! To me, Rossi, comes across as a kind of carnival barker. We shall see what this curious Italian; a flamboyant character of history will offer up next. A cat on a hot nickel roof would be nice, or perhaps a cup of hot tea. But who really knows. Never a dull moment. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:Hunt Utilities Group calibration data
See: http://www.hugnetlab.com/celani2/ These are the people shown in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=26k3Cz3wW-8 - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Hunt Utilities Group calibration data
On 2012-10-15 20:58, Jed Rothwell wrote: See: http://www.hugnetlab.com/celani2/ Too bad the page loads very slowly when attempting to view more than the previous 2 minutes of data shown. It looks like they're loading all data points (1 per second) even when trying to view extended periods of time. That's a waste of resources and bandwidth. The page although interesting could use several improvements for usability and science. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update
One interesting observation that has come out of Russ’s experimentation so far is that a large high energy electron charge persists for a long time after an initiating high powered instantaneous spark discharge occurs. Russ has seen charge ionization last for a very long time. The signs that this large high energy charge accumulation is occurring is threefold as follows: First, the green afterglow of a very low level of air contamination persists for a number of frames as seen in Russ’s camera. This green oxygen based aurora discharge is caused by ionization of very low pressure air that Russ’s vacuum pump cannot completely remove. Second, there exists a strong feedback current that is produced after the piston jumps. This current flows back through Russ’s spark electrodes and can jump an air gap to blow out his high current diodes. Third, Russ says that he is able to fire a spark twice in a row due to the residual ionization that remains in the cylinder, but he cannot fire the spark continually since the ionization in the spark gap fades with time. Russ said, “I just like how it lasts for a while.. That's the interesting part. The reason I say that is If the gasses stay ionized for a period of time. This means in an Engine application the high voltage may be able to keep it going and I won't need a strong discharge to kick start it The reason I say this is I hit the button twice and it had a nice discharge with less cap discharge power...” In addition for those interested in LENR, since accumulation of high energy long duration electric charge is an important causative theory in LENR, this research into the mechanisms of the Papp engine may be applicable in explaining LENR causation especially with regards to the workings of the DGT spark initiation mechanism and the plasmatron.. A theory that might explain how this excess high energy electron charge forms is as follows: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_oscillation Plasma oscillations, also known as Langmuir waves (after Irving Langmuir), are rapid oscillations of the electron density in conducting media such as plasmas or metals. The oscillations can be described as instability in the dielectric function of a free electron gas. The frequency that the electron cloud osculates at only depends weakly on the wavelength. The quasiparticle resulting from the quantization of these oscillations is the plasmon. Consider neutral plasma, consisting of a collection of an equal number of positively charged ions and paired negatively charged electrons. If one displaces by a tiny amount all of the electrons with respect to the ions, the Coulomb force pulls back, acting as a restoring force. Therefore, the Coulomb force sets up oscillating electron waves. These electron waves will have a “plasma frequency” proportional to the density of electrons per unit volume. A dense cloud of electrons will oscillate strongly at a high plasma frequency. If the gas is dense and heavy, the free electrons will be some low fraction of the neutral atoms present. The intact electron shells of the neutral atoms will shield the electrons from their associated ions, and the electrons will continue to be shielded from their ions and be continually repelled off the neutral atoms. The electron cloud oscillations will also repel the free atoms on the surface of the piston head and cause it to move under electrostatic pressure. High gas pressure and/or the presence of heavy gas molecules (xenon, neon, etc) will increase the force of the plasma oscillations which will produce an increased electrostatic repulsive force. In more detail, an atom with a large number of electrons in orbit around its nucleus like xenon will strongly shield and repel a high energy free electron increasing the plasma oscillation. Also, such heavy neutral atoms/molecules/clusters will have a far longer repulsive Coulomb force range than will lighter atoms. Because of the Pauli Exclusion Principle as well as the Heisenberg uncertainty principle , the individual electrons in the oscillating cloud will become degenerate (high energy) becoming more and more energetic as the cloud grows bigger. This will tend to keep the electrons from getting back together with their associated ions because of a quantum orbital energy mismatch. This keeps the cloud ionized indefinitely until the stranded electron charge cloud can find a path to ground as a high energy feedback current. Getting this charge cloud out of the cylinder is important in setting up the next spark discharge cycle by getting the gas back to a neutral charge state. On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 10:46 AM, ecat builder ecatbuil...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Vortex, Some updates on Papp development.. Which most of you know is a noble gas that is charged (by RF/spark) and drives a piston with an unexplained (?) force. Harvesting the force and residual energy to produce overunity power remains to be seen.
Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started
I had an exciting afternoon. I replaced my control nickel with the 40 plus hour heat treated one that resembles an old penny now and began electrolysis. The reading of voltage was a bit unusual after the first hour of operation so I replenished the water and added a little additional sodium carbonate to allow the system to reach equilibrium. Just before I started to make the standard readings after approximately an hour of additional electrolysis a friend called me on the telephone so I was diverted. We spoke for I would guess about half an hour until line noise convinced me to go upstairs to accept another call. Both of us changed telephones but the noise was still bad as we continued our conversation. Perhaps 30 minutes later we finished the call and I went back to make the measurements. My system was behaving very strange. I noticed that the bath had a thin white layer of material on its surface and a thick deposit was on the test nickel. This deposit was white and crystalline which I would guess is some type of carbonate. It was also very evident that a loud hissing noise was originating from the test system. I broke a hole through the thin layer covering the bath easily with my finger and noticed that it was very hot to the touch. The test nickel was also extremely hot. I decided to make the usual measurements and saw that the current was within normal range at 2.5 amps while the voltage had increased to 12.57 volts which is about 2 volts above typical. The liquid was reading 80 degrees C which is much higher than normal. With the measured delta C I would expect to have 86 watts of power being dissipated according to previous calibrations. The actual input was calculated as 31.425 watts. This will clearly be a significant measurement of excess power if it holds up to scrutiny. I suspect that the thin film on the surface of the electrolyte is acting as an insulator or some other issue is contributing to the strange results. I stirred up the electrolyte, cleaned off the nickel deposit and added additional water and sodium carbonate to see if the effect arises again. Regardless of whether or not this proves to be elusive, I had an interesting episode! By the way, I turned off the power to my test system and the line noise continued so I suspect the noise was generated by some other problem besides radiation emissions from my device (I sure hope so). Dave
Re: [Vo]:Hunt Utilities Group calibration data
Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: Too bad the page loads very slowly when attempting to view more than the previous 2 minutes of data shown. I see what you mean. Let's tell them there is a problem. It is probably a malfunction. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update
Good stuff, couple of comments. I think Papp used his surrounding coil to help remove the charged particles to prevent the buildup he is seeing. Are you sure those are only electrons creating the blue aurora? Many types of cosmic charged particles should do that. http://news.softpedia.com/newsImage/Faint-Blue-Flashes-Solve-Cosmic-Puzzle-2.jpg/ Russ should be doing everything he can to protect himself from potential ionizing radiation. Including taking Melatonin, which is normally produced in the Pineal gland and can help protect one from the harmful effects. On Monday, October 15, 2012, Axil Axil wrote: One interesting observation that has come out of Russ’s experimentation so far is that a large high energy electron charge persists for a long time after an initiating high powered instantaneous spark discharge occurs. Russ has seen charge ionization last for a very long time. The signs that this large high energy charge accumulation is occurring is threefold as follows: First, the green afterglow of a very low level of air contamination persists for a number of frames as seen in Russ’s camera. This green oxygen based aurora discharge is caused by ionization of very low pressure air that Russ’s vacuum pump cannot completely remove. Second, there exists a strong feedback current that is produced after the piston jumps. This current flows back through Russ’s spark electrodes and can jump an air gap to blow out his high current diodes. Third, Russ says that he is able to fire a spark twice in a row due to the residual ionization that remains in the cylinder, but he cannot fire the spark continually since the ionization in the spark gap fades with time. Russ said, “I just like how it lasts for a while.. That's the interesting part. The reason I say that is If the gasses stay ionized for a period of time. This means in an Engine application the high voltage may be able to keep it going and I won't need a strong discharge to kick start it The reason I say this is I hit the button twice and it had a nice discharge with less cap discharge power...” In addition for those interested in LENR, since accumulation of high energy long duration electric charge is an important causative theory in LENR, this research into the mechanisms of the Papp engine may be applicable in explaining LENR causation especially with regards to the workings of the DGT spark initiation mechanism and the plasmatron.. A theory that might explain how this excess high energy electron charge forms is as follows: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_oscillation Plasma oscillations, also known as Langmuir waves (after Irving Langmuir), are rapid oscillations of the electron density in conducting media such as plasmas or metals. The oscillations can be described as instability in the dielectric function of a free electron gas. The frequency that the electron cloud osculates at only depends weakly on the wavelength. The quasiparticle resulting from the quantization of these oscillations is the plasmon. Consider neutral plasma, consisting of a collection of an equal number of positively charged ions and paired negatively charged electrons. If one displaces by a tiny amount all of the electrons with respect to the ions, the Coulomb force pulls back, acting as a restoring force. Therefore, the Coulomb force sets up oscillating electron waves. These electron waves will have a “plasma frequency” proportional to the density of electrons per unit volume. A dense cloud of electrons will oscillate strongly at a high plasma frequency. If the gas is dense and heavy, the free electrons will be some low fraction of the neutral atoms present. The intact electron shells of the neutral atoms will shield the electrons from their associated ions, and the electrons will continue to be shielded from their ions and be continually repelled off the neutral atoms. The electron cloud oscillations will also repel the free atoms on the surface of the piston head and cause it to move under electrostatic pressure. High gas pressure and/or the presence of heavy gas molecules (xenon, neon, etc) will increase the force of the plasma oscillations which will produce an increased electrostatic repulsive force. In more detail, an atom with a large number of electrons in orbit around its nucleus like xenon will strongly shield and repel a high energy free electron increasing the plasma oscillation. Also, such heavy neutral atoms/molecules/clusters will have a far longer repulsive Coulomb force range than will lighter atoms. Because of the Pauli Exclusion Principle as well as the Heisenberg uncertainty principle , the individual electrons in the oscillating cloud will become degenerate (high energy) becoming more and more energetic as the cloud grows bigger. This will tend to keep the electrons from getting back together with their associated ions because of a quantum orbital energy mismatch.
[Vo]:New papers from W.-S. Zhang
See: http://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/?page_id=1097 In this paper: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/ZhangWSconstructia.pdf . . . he complains about the Thermonetics calorimeter, which he used in Dash's lab. See: http://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/DashSeebeckcloseup.jpg - Jed
[Vo]:November Popular Science Cold Fusion- actual read...hmmmmm.
Greetings Vortex-L I quickly bought a copy of the November issue. The article is entitled: Anderea Rossi s Black Box by Steven Featherstone. Being a disciple and close friend of the late Dr Mallove, I must say that with slow reading- the 7 page article is not to bad. The intro is positive on LENR aka Cold Fusion and relates that good results are being obtained- then the article goes into Rossi s past. IMHO this should be forgotten. It covers Bushnell and his careful LENR support as well as Professor Duncan. The article should have covered CBS 60 minutes. But in the end the article focuses on Celani in a very positive way. Note: this was before the NI Week and the Celani presentation. The article research seems to end mid-August. The clue is careful reading, the more I read it the more that I like it- I simply avoid thinking about the Rossi element. After reading it, I feel that Rossi again had been FP-ed... a new term...but that Rossi will be viewed as a pioneer. How does one spot a pioneer: He is the one with all of the arrows in his back. Respectfully, Ron Kita, Chiralex Addendum: Steve Feathersotne covered Chernobyl and wants to see safe energy. I would have loved to have edited the article,
Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update
Melatonin Research http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15485549 It is pretty well understood that dark matter and energy are striking earth constantly in the form of Neutrinos and probably WIMPS - they are still looking for them all pelting us during solar storms. In My research, I believe have located where the LARGE WIMP particles are hiding, they are leaving a seismic, magnetic and acoustic ultra low frequency pulse as they orbit. I sent a copy of my latest Kepler Orbit WIMP Model to NASA. Now do you guys want to hear a super strange thing? No? I am going to tell you anyway... My research is also telling me that most crop circles are probably NOT created by drunken englishmen and are actually produced from this dark energy striking earth. The radiation signature on the stalk matches. In 2011 a crop circle popped up showing the chemical structure ofMelatonin. http://www.in5d.com/melatonin-the-pineal-gland-your-3rd-eye-and-crop-circles.html I think the ULF radiation from the dark energy is probably one of the causes of cancer in humans. I have also been analyzing some of the other circles and some are matching my model of large WIMPS in a decaying orbit into and through the earth. I believe the circles are telling us when this is happening... I am not sh*^*ing you. I didn't even believe in crop circles (until the last month or so). I am having a blog explosion in activity right now (dark energy) Stewart darkmattersalot.com On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 4:06 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Good stuff, couple of comments. I think Papp used his surrounding coil to help remove the charged particles to prevent the buildup he is seeing. Are you sure those are only electrons creating the blue aurora? Many types of cosmic charged particles should do that. http://news.softpedia.com/newsImage/Faint-Blue-Flashes-Solve-Cosmic-Puzzle-2.jpg/ Russ should be doing everything he can to protect himself from potential ionizing radiation. Including taking Melatonin, which is normally produced in the Pineal gland and can help protect one from the harmful effects. On Monday, October 15, 2012, Axil Axil wrote: One interesting observation that has come out of Russ’s experimentation so far is that a large high energy electron charge persists for a long time after an initiating high powered instantaneous spark discharge occurs. Russ has seen charge ionization last for a very long time. The signs that this large high energy charge accumulation is occurring is threefold as follows: First, the green afterglow of a very low level of air contamination persists for a number of frames as seen in Russ’s camera. This green oxygen based aurora discharge is caused by ionization of very low pressure air that Russ’s vacuum pump cannot completely remove. Second, there exists a strong feedback current that is produced after the piston jumps. This current flows back through Russ’s spark electrodes and can jump an air gap to blow out his high current diodes. Third, Russ says that he is able to fire a spark twice in a row due to the residual ionization that remains in the cylinder, but he cannot fire the spark continually since the ionization in the spark gap fades with time. Russ said, “I just like how it lasts for a while.. That's the interesting part. The reason I say that is If the gasses stay ionized for a period of time. This means in an Engine application the high voltage may be able to keep it going and I won't need a strong discharge to kick start it The reason I say this is I hit the button twice and it had a nice discharge with less cap discharge power...” In addition for those interested in LENR, since accumulation of high energy long duration electric charge is an important causative theory in LENR, this research into the mechanisms of the Papp engine may be applicable in explaining LENR causation especially with regards to the workings of the DGT spark initiation mechanism and the plasmatron.. A theory that might explain how this excess high energy electron charge forms is as follows: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_oscillation Plasma oscillations, also known as Langmuir waves (after Irving Langmuir), are rapid oscillations of the electron density in conducting media such as plasmas or metals. The oscillations can be described as instability in the dielectric function of a free electron gas. The frequency that the electron cloud osculates at only depends weakly on the wavelength. The quasiparticle resulting from the quantization of these oscillations is the plasmon. Consider neutral plasma, consisting of a collection of an equal number of positively charged ions and paired negatively charged electrons. If one displaces by a tiny amount all of the electrons with respect to the ions, the Coulomb force pulls back, acting as a restoring force. Therefore, the Coulomb force sets up oscillating electron waves. These electron
Re: [Vo]:New papers from W.-S. Zhang
Zhang also send me one of Ed's paper which he translated into Chinese. I just corrected the title. It is listed in the most recent list: http://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/?page_id=1097 - Jed
Re: [Vo]:November Popular Science- not kind to Rossi
OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: Krivit has felt this way with other individuals, including one particularly vocal Vort member who begged to differ with the investigative reporter's extensive analysis of McKubre's M4 data. Who? Me? Krivit is silly about this. McKubre is pretty upset with him though. In Krivit's mind, Rossi has become a personification of everything that is bad about the Alternative Energy world. Captain Ahab is hunting his whale. Good analogy. I have to agree that Rossi does personify many of the problems in this field. The own worse enemy syndrome in particular. I think it's pretty obvious to most that there is little respect affection between Rossi and Krivit. I don't mind Krivit. I guess I would if he attacked me the way he attacks McKubre. I think he is being very silly when he pontificates about theory and promotes the W-L theory. I admire his chutzpah when he gets his views into the New York Times and the ANS, but I also cringe. As I wrote here: This would be like me singing at the Metropolitan Opera even though I am tone deaf and unable to read music. The way I see it, Krivit is annoying, but you have to annoying to survive in this field. As I have related before -- I was once kvetching to Mizuno about how the researchers in this field are a bunch of stubborn, self-centered stick-in-the-muds. He said, yeah, we are, but if we weren't we would have quit long ago. Touche. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started
I have an interesting addition to this report. After I cleaned up the deposits and added water and electrolyte I let my experiment continue electrolysis. The effect happened again with some interesting differences. I noticed that the thin layer that coated the electrolyte bath came in the form of small floating islands about the size of a standard pencil lead. These came together to form a film over the surface. A much thicker deposit formed upon the active nickel that is like a form of crust. Then I noticed that sparks were being emitted from the edge of the active nickel! The sparks came intermittently and the intensity of the sparks varied. I saw actual flames on rare occasions which had me alarmed. Perhaps this is caused by the hydrogen becoming ignited at that electrode. The water between electrodes was at boiling temperature. I noticed that the supply voltage was varying by a large degree in the fashion of bubble bursting which could be due to the reduced path for ions to the nickel that is now covered with the white hard deposit. Next, I tapped the deposit mostly off of the nickels and added water to the bath. The surface deposit was stirred up so that things are returning toward normal. There still remains a layer of the white deposit on the top of the active nickel from which bubbles of hydrogen are exiting. This experiment is getting more interesting all the time. I hope to get to the bottom of the observations, but I have no idea what is occurring. Dave -Original Message- From: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:54 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started I had an exciting afternoon. I replaced my control nickel with the 40 plus hour heat treated one that resembles an old penny now and began electrolysis. The reading of voltage was a bit unusual after the first hour of operation so I replenished the water and added a little additional sodium carbonate to allow the system to reach equilibrium. Just before I started to make the standard readings after approximately an hour of additional electrolysis a friend called me on the telephone so I was diverted. We spoke for I would guess about half an hour until line noise convinced me to go upstairs to accept another call. Both of us changed telephones but the noise was still bad as we continued our conversation. Perhaps 30 minutes later we finished the call and I went back to make the measurements. My system was behaving very strange. I noticed that the bath had a thin white layer of material on its surface and a thick deposit was on the test nickel. This deposit was white and crystalline which I would guess is some type of carbonate. It was also very evident that a loud hissing noise was originating from the test system. I broke a hole through the thin layer covering the bath easily with my finger and noticed that it was very hot to the touch. The test nickel was also extremely hot. I decided to make the usual measurements and saw that the current was within normal range at 2.5 amps while the voltage had increased to 12.57 volts which is about 2 volts above typical. The liquid was reading 80 degrees C which is much higher than normal. With the measured delta C I would expect to have 86 watts of power being dissipated according to previous calibrations. The actual input was calculated as 31.425 watts. This will clearly be a significant measurement of excess power if it holds up to scrutiny. I suspect that the thin film on the surface of the electrolyte is acting as an insulator or some other issue is contributing to the strange results. I stirred up the electrolyte, cleaned off the nickel deposit and added additional water and sodium carbonate to see if the effect arises again. Regardless of whether or not this proves to be elusive, I had an interesting episode! By the way, I turned off the power to my test system and the line noise continued so I suspect the noise was generated by some other problem besides radiation emissions from my device (I sure hope so). Dave
Re: [Vo]:November Popular Science- not kind to Rossi
Jed sez: Krivit has felt this way with other individuals, including one particularly vocal Vort member who begged to differ with the investigative reporter's extensive analysis of McKubre's M4 data. Who? Me? Krivit is silly about this. McKubre is pretty upset with him though. Nope! Not you Jed! Guess again. ;-) I was once kvetching to Mizuno about how the researchers in this field are a bunch of stubborn, self-centered stick-in-the-muds. He said, yeah, we are, but if we weren't we would have quit long ago. Probably true. It's possible I'm being harder on Krivit than necessary.Nevertheless, his handling or Rossi's broken English was the straw that really broke the back for me. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Sci. Am. comments on documentary The Believers
Jed, I see where Mary YouKnow got her 2 cents in. I actually think this may be a good documentary, and I stress the may be. Bob http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/psi-vid/2012/10/14/the-believers-cold-fusion-at-the-chicago-international-film-festival/http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/psi-vid/2012/10/14/the-believers-cold-fusion-at-the-chicago-international-film-festival/ I get a bad feeling about this documentary. I don't like the trailer. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:November Popular Science- not kind to Rossi
OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: It's possible I'm being harder on Krivit than necessary.Nevertheless, his handling or Rossi's broken English was the straw that really broke the back for me. That was tacky. Also, strangely old-fashioned. People used to do that in popular culture and movies in the 1930s. I think people more often assumed that a foreign accent or an unusual native speaker accent is a sign of low education or low intelligence. Many people are still biased against Southern accents, and Appalachian dialects (so-called hillbilly accents). People go to classes to rid themselves of these dialects. It is a crying shame because they are among the oldest and most expressive forms of English. In Japan people are also biased against regional and rural dialects, which are rapidly disappearing. This may impact my retirement plans for when I am 90, blind and wheelchair bound. I hope to spend my remaining days ensconced in the back room of some seedy bar or house of prostitution in Kyoto where I can listen to the way the women talk. It doesn't matter what they say: I just can't get enough of that rising intonation, the negative (-hen) and those copulas. Hubba hubba! My wife is from Yamaguchi, which is quite different from Kyoto. It is similar to Appalachian English, with words hundreds of years out of date, like the English yonder. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update
While it certainly makes sense that dark matter melatonin tablets would carve out crop circles in the shape of their constituent molecules, this only opens up even more enigmatic questions such as: Do the dark matter melatonin pills come in 3mg or 10mg? On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 3:45 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Melatonin Research http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15485549 It is pretty well understood that dark matter and energy are striking earth constantly in the form of Neutrinos and probably WIMPS - they are still looking for them all pelting us during solar storms. In My research, I believe have located where the LARGE WIMP particles are hiding, they are leaving a seismic, magnetic and acoustic ultra low frequency pulse as they orbit. I sent a copy of my latest Kepler Orbit WIMP Model to NASA. Now do you guys want to hear a super strange thing? No? I am going to tell you anyway... My research is also telling me that most crop circles are probably NOT created by drunken englishmen and are actually produced from this dark energy striking earth. The radiation signature on the stalk matches. In 2011 a crop circle popped up showing the chemical structure ofMelatonin. http://www.in5d.com/melatonin-the-pineal-gland-your-3rd-eye-and-crop-circles.html I think the ULF radiation from the dark energy is probably one of the causes of cancer in humans. I have also been analyzing some of the other circles and some are matching my model of large WIMPS in a decaying orbit into and through the earth. I believe the circles are telling us when this is happening... I am not sh*^*ing you. I didn't even believe in crop circles (until the last month or so). I am having a blog explosion in activity right now (dark energy) Stewart darkmattersalot.com On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 4:06 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Good stuff, couple of comments. I think Papp used his surrounding coil to help remove the charged particles to prevent the buildup he is seeing. Are you sure those are only electrons creating the blue aurora? Many types of cosmic charged particles should do that. http://news.softpedia.com/newsImage/Faint-Blue-Flashes-Solve-Cosmic-Puzzle-2.jpg/ Russ should be doing everything he can to protect himself from potential ionizing radiation. Including taking Melatonin, which is normally produced in the Pineal gland and can help protect one from the harmful effects. On Monday, October 15, 2012, Axil Axil wrote: One interesting observation that has come out of Russ’s experimentation so far is that a large high energy electron charge persists for a long time after an initiating high powered instantaneous spark discharge occurs. Russ has seen charge ionization last for a very long time. The signs that this large high energy charge accumulation is occurring is threefold as follows: First, the green afterglow of a very low level of air contamination persists for a number of frames as seen in Russ’s camera. This green oxygen based aurora discharge is caused by ionization of very low pressure air that Russ’s vacuum pump cannot completely remove. Second, there exists a strong feedback current that is produced after the piston jumps. This current flows back through Russ’s spark electrodes and can jump an air gap to blow out his high current diodes. Third, Russ says that he is able to fire a spark twice in a row due to the residual ionization that remains in the cylinder, but he cannot fire the spark continually since the ionization in the spark gap fades with time. Russ said, “I just like how it lasts for a while.. That's the interesting part. The reason I say that is If the gasses stay ionized for a period of time. This means in an Engine application the high voltage may be able to keep it going and I won't need a strong discharge to kick start it The reason I say this is I hit the button twice and it had a nice discharge with less cap discharge power...” In addition for those interested in LENR, since accumulation of high energy long duration electric charge is an important causative theory in LENR, this research into the mechanisms of the Papp engine may be applicable in explaining LENR causation especially with regards to the workings of the DGT spark initiation mechanism and the plasmatron.. A theory that might explain how this excess high energy electron charge forms is as follows: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_oscillation Plasma oscillations, also known as Langmuir waves (after Irving Langmuir), are rapid oscillations of the electron density in conducting media such as plasmas or metals. The oscillations can be described as instability in the dielectric function of a free electron gas. The frequency that the electron cloud osculates at only depends weakly on the wavelength. The quasiparticle resulting from the quantization of these oscillations is the plasmon. Consider
Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started
One final note that I want to include. I allowed the experiment to go into the unusual mode for the third time and made some measurements. The electrolyte was boiling as in the first two observations and I also noted sparks being emitted. Unfortunately, I let the system become too hot and it melted the bottom of my test container allowing the electrolyte to leak out. After this episode, I obtained a smaller container and started another round of testing. I will need to compete another calibration before useful data can be obtained. A most interesting afternoon. Dave -Original Message- From: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:35 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started I have an interesting addition to this report. After I cleaned up the deposits and added water and electrolyte I let my experiment continue electrolysis. The effect happened again with some interesting differences. I noticed that the thin layer that coated the electrolyte bath came in the form of small floating islands about the size of a standard pencil lead. These came together to form a film over the surface. A much thicker deposit formed upon the active nickel that is like a form of crust. Then I noticed that sparks were being emitted from the edge of the active nickel! The sparks came intermittently and the intensity of the sparks varied. I saw actual flames on rare occasions which had me alarmed. Perhaps this is caused by the hydrogen becoming ignited at that electrode. The water between electrodes was at boiling temperature. I noticed that the supply voltage was varying by a large degree in the fashion of bubble bursting which could be due to the reduced path for ions to the nickel that is now covered with the white hard deposit. Next, I tapped the deposit mostly off of the nickels and added water to the bath. The surface deposit was stirred up so that things are returning toward normal. There still remains a layer of the white deposit on the top of the active nickel from which bubbles of hydrogen are exiting. This experiment is getting more interesting all the time. I hope to get to the bottom of the observations, but I have no idea what is occurring. Dave -Original Message- From: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:54 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started I had an exciting afternoon. I replaced my control nickel with the 40 plus hour heat treated one that resembles an old penny now and began electrolysis. The reading of voltage was a bit unusual after the first hour of operation so I replenished the water and added a little additional sodium carbonate to allow the system to reach equilibrium. Just before I started to make the standard readings after approximately an hour of additional electrolysis a friend called me on the telephone so I was diverted. We spoke for I would guess about half an hour until line noise convinced me to go upstairs to accept another call. Both of us changed telephones but the noise was still bad as we continued our conversation. Perhaps 30 minutes later we finished the call and I went back to make the measurements. My system was behaving very strange. I noticed that the bath had a thin white layer of material on its surface and a thick deposit was on the test nickel. This deposit was white and crystalline which I would guess is some type of carbonate. It was also very evident that a loud hissing noise was originating from the test system. I broke a hole through the thin layer covering the bath easily with my finger and noticed that it was very hot to the touch. The test nickel was also extremely hot. I decided to make the usual measurements and saw that the current was within normal range at 2.5 amps while the voltage had increased to 12.57 volts which is about 2 volts above typical. The liquid was reading 80 degrees C which is much higher than normal. With the measured delta C I would expect to have 86 watts of power being dissipated according to previous calibrations. The actual input was calculated as 31.425 watts. This will clearly be a significant measurement of excess power if it holds up to scrutiny. I suspect that the thin film on the surface of the electrolyte is acting as an insulator or some other issue is contributing to the strange results. I stirred up the electrolyte, cleaned off the nickel deposit and added additional water and sodium carbonate to see if the effect arises again. Regardless of whether or not this proves to be elusive, I had an interesting episode! By the way, I turned off the power to my test system and the line noise continued so I suspect the noise was generated by some other problem besides radiation emissions from my device (I sure hope so). Dave
Re: [Vo]:video: An Explanation of Low-energy Nuclear Reactions (Cold Fusion) by Edmund Storms
A. Xaaq -- zq q Sent from my iPhone On Aug 24, 2012, at 8:17 AM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: Oustanding work Ruby. Does anyone know which paper of Roy Stanley he is referring to. Sorry, I am not very informed about some of the work Ed Storms is referring to. Jojo PS: I will write some opinions about this video in my thread. I did not want to interject my ideas here so as not to pollute this thread. - Original Message - From: Ruby To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 12:40 PM Subject: [Vo]:video: An Explanation of Low-energy Nuclear Reactions (Cold Fusion) by Edmund Storms I have uploaded an interview with Edmund Storms on his new theory of what starts the cold fusion reaction. http://coldfusionnow.org/an-explanation-of-low-energy-nuclear-reactions-cold-fusion-by-edmund-storms/ I'll be on the road, in my truck, headed to the Bay area (San Francisco California region for you non-left-coasters) for another interview, then up to Humboldt County to visit my storage unit (next to Hiro's), camp out in the Redwoods and edit lots more video. As such, I won't be monitoring comments on Cold Fusion Now, and I'm going to send any individuals interested in discussing the work here to this thread. Is that illegal on Vortex? I am having alot of fun making these videos. Especially now that I've discovered the Zoom text on iMovie. Enjoy! -- Ruby Carat r...@coldfusionnow.org United States 1-707-616-4894 Skype ruby-carat www.coldfusionnow.org
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Keep us updated Dave, I never saw sparks in my experiments so you are onto something new. I do remembers several events though, that are just as you described, the voltage and current will just swing madly around as the water boils and it will last as long as electrolyte is available. But because I was using the 12V rail of a 65Watt PC power supply, at best It was just a little over 1.5A or 18W but I could not hold a small coffee jar of solution in my hands. I've been puzzled ever since. What you are seeing is so exciting. Best Regards, Chuck On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 8:45 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: One final note that I want to include. I allowed the experiment to go into the unusual mode for the third time and made some measurements. The electrolyte was boiling as in the first two observations and I also noted sparks being emitted. Unfortunately, I let the system become too hot and it melted the bottom of my test container allowing the electrolyte to leak out. After this episode, I obtained a smaller container and started another round of testing. I will need to compete another calibration before useful data can be obtained. A most interesting afternoon. Dave -Original Message- From: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:35 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started I have an interesting addition to this report. After I cleaned up the deposits and added water and electrolyte I let my experiment continue electrolysis. The effect happened again with some interesting differences. I noticed that the thin layer that coated the electrolyte bath came in the form of small floating islands about the size of a standard pencil lead. These came together to form a film over the surface. A much thicker deposit formed upon the active nickel that is like a form of crust. Then I noticed that sparks were being emitted from the edge of the active nickel! The sparks came intermittently and the intensity of the sparks varied. I saw actual flames on rare occasions which had me alarmed. Perhaps this is caused by the hydrogen becoming ignited at that electrode. The water between electrodes was at boiling temperature. I noticed that the supply voltage was varying by a large degree in the fashion of bubble bursting which could be due to the reduced path for ions to the nickel that is now covered with the white hard deposit. Next, I tapped the deposit mostly off of the nickels and added water to the bath. The surface deposit was stirred up so that things are returning toward normal. There still remains a layer of the white deposit on the top of the active nickel from which bubbles of hydrogen are exiting. This experiment is getting more interesting all the time. I hope to get to the bottom of the observations, but I have no idea what is occurring. Dave -Original Message- From: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:54 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Experiment Started I had an exciting afternoon. I replaced my control nickel with the 40 plus hour heat treated one that resembles an old penny now and began electrolysis. The reading of voltage was a bit unusual after the first hour of operation so I replenished the water and added a little additional sodium carbonate to allow the system to reach equilibrium. Just before I started to make the standard readings after approximately an hour of additional electrolysis a friend called me on the telephone so I was diverted. We spoke for I would guess about half an hour until line noise convinced me to go upstairs to accept another call. Both of us changed telephones but the noise was still bad as we continued our conversation. Perhaps 30 minutes later we finished the call and I went back to make the measurements. My system was behaving very strange. I noticed that the bath had a thin white layer of material on its surface and a thick deposit was on the test nickel. This deposit was white and crystalline which I would guess is some type of carbonate. It was also very evident that a loud hissing noise was originating from the test system. I broke a hole through the thin layer covering the bath easily with my finger and noticed that it was very hot to the touch. The test nickel was also extremely hot. I decided to make the usual measurements and saw that the current was within normal range at 2.5 amps while the voltage had increased to 12.57 volts which is about 2 volts above typical. The liquid was reading 80 degrees C which is much higher than normal. With the measured delta C I would expect to have 86 watts of power being dissipated according to previous calibrations. The actual input was calculated as 31.425 watts. This will clearly be a significant measurement of excess power if it holds up to scrutiny. I suspect
RE: [Vo]:November Popular Science- not kind to Rossi
Jed sez: ... In Japan people are also biased against regional and rural dialects, which are rapidly disappearing. This may impact my retirement plans for when I am 90, blind and wheelchair bound. I hope to spend my remaining days ensconced in the back room of some seedy bar or house of prostitution in Kyoto where I can listen to the way the women talk. It doesn't matter what they say: I just can't get enough of that rising intonation, the negative (-hen) and those copulas. Hubba hubba! My wife is from Yamaguchi, which is quite different from Kyoto. It is similar to Appalachian English, with words hundreds of years out of date, like the English yonder. Sounds like a well planned retirement strategy, Jed. Just don't let your wife catch you listening in. ;-) Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:video: An Explanation of Low-energy Nuclear Reactions (Cold Fusion) by Edmund Storms
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Emeka Okafor emeka.oka...@gmail.com wrote: A. Xaaq -- zq q Sent from my iPhone I guess it's more than the mapping s/w, eh?
Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update
5 Mg dosage works best. Why would some dumbass draw a Melatonin molecule in a field? I guess I could be boiling quarters or popping air with champion spark plugs in my garage... Does everybody realize how weird we all sound? FYI, update on my Hurricane prediction from 9/25: The Good: Some of you might remember I predicted on 9/25 a Hurricane (Nadine) to strike where the 600 earthquake swarm was hitting just NorthEast of San Juan Puerto Rico. On Saturday 10/13 @ 11:00 AM, Tropical Storm Rafael(just shy of hurricane wind speed) hit that EXACT spot. If my theory is correct I can predict the primary destination of large low pressure systems approx 6-8 weeks ahead of time... I need a ULF signature of both the seismic and low pressure system to be sure. Anybody have a drone with a Magnetometer I can rent? I also need to put one near an actively growing sinkhole or seismic swarm with ULF signature to verify a WIMP is racing through. The Bad: I predicted it would be Hurricane Nadine, which was the only low pressure system on the radar at the time. I was a couple weeks too early. Which makes sense now because it took Hurricane Isaac almost two months to make it to the area of the ULF seismic signals (sinkhole in Bayou Corne, LA) My theory predicts a massive dark matter WIMP particle, possibly weighing in the neighborhood of 1x10E15 kg was orbiting in the air between the eye of the low pressure system and the earthquake storm. On early Saturday morning a 2 engine airplane was flying across the path of the particle I predicted and broke up in the ocean. This was before the storm arrived. http://virginislandsdailynews.com/news/air-and-sea-search-underway-1.1388292 If I am right my particle has Petajoules+ of energy available and I will put that up against anybody's LENR device... Stewart http://darkmattersalot.com On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 7:37 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: While it certainly makes sense that dark matter melatonin tablets would carve out crop circles in the shape of their constituent molecules, this only opens up even more enigmatic questions such as: Do the dark matter melatonin pills come in 3mg or 10mg? On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 3:45 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Melatonin Research http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15485549 It is pretty well understood that dark matter and energy are striking earth constantly in the form of Neutrinos and probably WIMPS - they are still looking for them all pelting us during solar storms. In My research, I believe have located where the LARGE WIMP particles are hiding, they are leaving a seismic, magnetic and acoustic ultra low frequency pulse as they orbit. I sent a copy of my latest Kepler Orbit WIMP Model to NASA. Now do you guys want to hear a super strange thing? No? I am going to tell you anyway... My research is also telling me that most crop circles are probably NOT created by drunken englishmen and are actually produced from this dark energy striking earth. The radiation signature on the stalk matches. In 2011 a crop circle popped up showing the chemical structure ofMelatonin. http://www.in5d.com/melatonin-the-pineal-gland-your-3rd-eye-and-crop-circles.html I think the ULF radiation from the dark energy is probably one of the causes of cancer in humans. I have also been analyzing some of the other circles and some are matching my model of large WIMPS in a decaying orbit into and through the earth. I believe the circles are telling us when this is happening... I am not sh*^*ing you. I didn't even believe in crop circles (until the last month or so). I am having a blog explosion in activity right now (dark energy) Stewart darkmattersalot.com On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 4:06 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.comwrote: Good stuff, couple of comments. I think Papp used his surrounding coil to help remove the charged particles to prevent the buildup he is seeing. Are you sure those are only electrons creating the blue aurora? Many types of cosmic charged particles should do that. http://news.softpedia.com/newsImage/Faint-Blue-Flashes-Solve-Cosmic-Puzzle-2.jpg/ Russ should be doing everything he can to protect himself from potential ionizing radiation. Including taking Melatonin, which is normally produced in the Pineal gland and can help protect one from the harmful effects. On Monday, October 15, 2012, Axil Axil wrote: One interesting observation that has come out of Russ’s experimentation so far is that a large high energy electron charge persists for a long time after an initiating high powered instantaneous spark discharge occurs. Russ has seen charge ionization last for a very long time. The signs that this large high energy charge accumulation is occurring is threefold as follows: First, the green afterglow of a very low level of air contamination persists for a number of frames as seen in Russ’s camera. This
Re: [Vo]:CR39
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 7:14 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote: Kowalski does not believe that the tracks he found were caused by electrolysis. He considers that one possible explanation. Kowalski is quite careful. He is looking at clusters. Oriani reported some clusters, but clusters aren't Oriani's claim. Kowalski's paper cannot be considered to be a confirmation of Oriani's claims, beyond a finding that some unusual and difficult-to-explain phenomena occur. Just to pin things down, we should try to agree on a few basic facts. The first proposed fact is that Kowalski, in [1], favors an explanation that involves electrolysis for the clusters he identifies in the two successful trials. Numerous tracks of charged nuclear particles, emitted during electrolysis, were discovered by Oriani and Fisher ... Arguments are presented against prosaic explanations for the clusters, such as natural radioactivity or cosmic rays. (p. 1.) This study, prompted by recent reports ..., confirms that an unexpected nuclear process seems to be occasionally triggered by a chemical process. (p. 2.) In this section [sec. 4] I hope to show that neither contamination nor cosmic rays can be responsible for the clusters shown in Figures 1 and 4. (p. 9.) I am not going to elaborate on this [the behavior of neutral particles] because my goal, at this stage, is to convince myself (and others) that Oriani-type clusters are due to electrolysis. (p. 9.) I should ask at this point if have I misunderstood anything. Eric [1] http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/KowalskiLonemission.pdf
Re: [Vo]:video: An Explanation of Low-energy Nuclear Reactions (Cold Fusion) by Edmund Storms
Wow. Please forgive me if you haven't seen Dr. Edmund Storms video interview, but that was one the most convincing theoretical arguments for as type of fracto-fusion cold fusion event I've seen. It makes perfect sense. I've studied enough electron-micrographs to know that the type of dislocations in metal lattices occurs all of the time. It's normal at interfaces in binary materials; like the Copper/Nickel interface blends. Fire it up baby! Chuck Sites On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:07 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Emeka Okafor emeka.oka...@gmail.com wrote: A. Xaaq -- zq q Sent from my iPhone I guess it's more than the mapping s/w, eh?
Re: [Vo]:November Popular Science Cold Fusion- actual read...hmmmmm.
Good metaphor, but some pioneers are shooting those arrows themselves. Reasons unknown. Peter On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 11:25 PM, Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings Vortex-L I quickly bought a copy of the November issue. The article is entitled: Anderea Rossi s Black Box by Steven Featherstone. Being a disciple and close friend of the late Dr Mallove, I must say that with slow reading- the 7 page article is not to bad. The intro is positive on LENR aka Cold Fusion and relates that good results are being obtained- then the article goes into Rossi s past. IMHO this should be forgotten. It covers Bushnell and his careful LENR support as well as Professor Duncan. The article should have covered CBS 60 minutes. But in the end the article focuses on Celani in a very positive way. Note: this was before the NI Week and the Celani presentation. The article research seems to end mid-August. The clue is careful reading, the more I read it the more that I like it- I simply avoid thinking about the Rossi element. After reading it, I feel that Rossi again had been FP-ed... a new term...but that Rossi will be viewed as a pioneer. How does one spot a pioneer: He is the one with all of the arrows in his back. Respectfully, Ron Kita, Chiralex Addendum: Steve Feathersotne covered Chernobyl and wants to see safe energy. I would have loved to have edited the article, -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
