Re: [Vo]:Near earth asteroid info

2013-02-08 Thread Rob Dingemans
Hi, On 7-2-2013 22:19, Jed Rothwell wrote: I don't know why this is in the Business section. That does not surprise me at all, as it may have an incredible huge impact on the way (some of) the traders may react. Kind regards, Rob

[Vo]:George Miley up for ARPA-E funding

2013-02-08 Thread Moab Moab
It seems LENUCO might be up to get funding from ARPA-E. Maybe. First he'll need enough votes. http://futureenergy.ultralightstartups.com/campaign/detail/861

Re: [Vo]:George Miley up for ARPA-E funding

2013-02-08 Thread Rob Dingemans
Hi, Thanks for the info, it can never be mentioned often enough :-) . Kind regards, Rob

Re: [Vo]:George Miley up for ARPA-E funding

2013-02-08 Thread Peter Gluck
George Miley tries the Way of Technology, excellent! Peter On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Rob Dingemans manonbrid...@aim.com wrote: Hi, Thanks for the info, it can never be mentioned often enough :-) . Kind regards, Rob -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania

Re: [Vo]:Mayans and Near Earth Asteroid

2013-02-08 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 11:22 PM, de Bivort Lawrence ldebiv...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, I think they actually foresaw the US fiscal cliff, which really reached crisis proportions on exactly December 12, 2012..., uh, or was that Dec 21, 2012? No, it was the reelection of Obama. ;)

Re: [Vo]:Mayans and Near Earth Asteroid

2013-02-08 Thread ChemE Stewart
Obamageddon? On Friday, February 8, 2013, Terry Blanton wrote: On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 11:22 PM, de Bivort Lawrence ldebiv...@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: Actually, I think they actually foresaw the US fiscal cliff, which really reached crisis proportions on exactly December 12, 2012...,

Re: [Vo]:Urgent: Until Feb9, can vote for Dr Miley 10kw LENR Thermal Electric Generator

2013-02-08 Thread Terry Blanton
AFAIK, this is the first ARPA-E funding of LENR. Interesting that it comes on the heels of the resignation of Steven Chu. Coincidence?

Re: [Vo]:Urgent: Until Feb9, can vote for Dr Miley 10kw LENR Thermal Electric Generator

2013-02-08 Thread Moab Moab
Don't forget to open your email and klick the confirmation link. On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: AFAIK, this is the first ARPA-E funding of LENR. Interesting that it comes on the heels of the resignation of Steven Chu. Coincidence?

Re: [Vo]:Urgent: Until Feb9, can vote for Dr Miley 10kw LENR Thermal Electric Generator

2013-02-08 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 7:29 AM, Moab Moab moab2...@googlemail.com wrote: Don't forget to open your email and klick the confirmation link. http://futureenergy.ultralightstartups.com/campaign/detail/861 Done.

RE: [Vo]:nanocavities

2013-02-08 Thread Jones Beene
This is coincidental to the BEC paper mentioned by Axil yesterday. From: Peter Gluck Can this: Nanoscopic Microcavities Offer Newfound Control in Light Filtering: Unique Nanostructure Produces Novel 'Plasmonic

Re: [Vo]:George Miley up for ARPA-E funding

2013-02-08 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2013-02-08 11:49, Moab Moab wrote: It seems LENUCO might be up to get funding from ARPA-E. Maybe. First he'll need enough votes. http://futureenergy.ultralightstartups.com/campaign/detail/861 It would have been in LENUCO's best interest to let people know about this in advance! What a

Re: [Vo]:George Miley up for ARPA-E funding

2013-02-08 Thread Moab Moab
Akira, the votes are coming in fairly quick now, just 4 hours ago the counter was at 18, now we're past 80. If anything this will show the LENR supporters across the internet forums what we are capable of. On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.comwrote: On

[Vo]:Pumped storage hydroelectricity goes well with wind energy

2013-02-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
People here have often remarked that an improved battery would help with wind and solar power, by storing energy and leveling demand. That is true. But other methods of storing energy on a large scale already exist. One of the most cost-effecting and reliable ones is pumped hydroelectric storage.

Re: [Vo]:George Miley up for ARPA-E funding

2013-02-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
You do not have to use Linked In for this vote. Enter you name at the bottom and the bot will send you an e-mail. As Akira said, it is a shame they did not publicize this earlier. - Jed

RE: [Vo]:Pumped storage hydroelectricity goes well with wind energy

2013-02-08 Thread Jones Beene
Speaking of synergy with hydroelectric (gravity) which can be added to wind/solar farms in close proximity, there is what I think is an even greater potential synergy - since it is not as dependent on proper location. This goes back to Peter Graneau's proposal presented in Infinite Energy a

Re: [Vo]:Pumped storage hydroelectricity goes well with wind energy

2013-02-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here is a ring island proposal for pumped hydro in the North Sea. This is basically a large hole in the ocean: http://www.hydroworld.com/articles/2013/january/belgium-considers-ring-island-energy-storage-scheme.html - Jed

Re: [Vo]:George Miley up for ARPA-E funding

2013-02-08 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 5:49 AM, Moab Moab moab2...@googlemail.com wrote: It seems LENUCO might be up to get funding from ARPA-E. Maybe. First he'll need enough votes. http://futureenergy.ultralightstartups.com/campaign/detail/861 Funding is not conditional upon getting enough votes. It does,

Re: [Vo]:Pumped storage hydroelectricity goes well with wind energy

2013-02-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Speaking of synergy with hydroelectric (gravity) which can be added to wind/solar farms in close proximity . . . In many places. But not, for example, in Texas, where the landscape is flat. Not a lot of uphill to go to. They put some wind farms on

Re: [Vo]:George Miley up for ARPA-E funding

2013-02-08 Thread James Bowery
OK, guys, what is #($*#$ is going on here? If Miley has what he claims to have -- a system that consistently produces power with no input power -- isn't it GAME OVER regarding Norman Ramsey's statement in the preamble of the DoE's cold fusion report that stated: Ordinarily, new scientific

RE: [Vo]:Pumped storage hydroelectricity goes well with wind energy

2013-02-08 Thread Jones Beene
From: Jed Rothwell In many places. But not, for example, in Texas, where the landscape is flat. Not a lot of uphill to go to. They put some wind farms on gigantic mesas in Texas, which are up in the air but still pretty flat. Not a lot of water out there, either. I expect the

Re: [Vo]:George Miley up for ARPA-E funding

2013-02-08 Thread Edmund Storms
Well said James. We have three other companies claiming to have commercial generators of power. Each of these claims is based on dubious demonstrations. What is the Miley claim based on? Can we expect his claim to be debated and examined in the way the Rossi claim has experienced? Just

Re: [Vo]:George Miley up for ARPA-E funding

2013-02-08 Thread Alain Sepeda
we are above 100 , at this speed it is victory... I've networked via linked-in, via office, via mail... the only needed number of vote is 380... 2013/2/8 Moab Moab moab2...@googlemail.com Akira, the votes are coming in fairly quick now, just 4 hours ago the counter was at 18, now we're past

Re: [Vo]:Pumped storage hydroelectricity goes well with wind energy

2013-02-08 Thread Alexander Hollins
I take it none of you have played the game Myst? There is a tall water tower that can be connected to a windmill that then pumps water from the ocean into the tower, and the water can then be redirected to machines that run directly off the pressure, air compressor style. On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at

[Vo]: Heat Engines Simplified

2013-02-08 Thread David Roberson
On many occasions posts are placed in vortex that discuss the efficiency of heat engines and cycles as well as whether or not all the heat can be extracted from a system and so on. A thought occurred to me earlier today which made much of the confusion go away and I wanted to share that

Re: [Vo]:Pumped storage hydroelectricity goes well with wind energy

2013-02-08 Thread David Roberson
One big problem with this concept is that there are not many locations available to place new facilities. And the few that remain are not likely to be near the generation equipment. Another major problem is that new dams destroy wild streams that are not too well protected. Dave

Re: [Vo]:Pumped storage hydroelectricity goes well with wind energy

2013-02-08 Thread Terry Blanton
Pumped storage destabilized the spin of the earth. As you raise the mass from the surface, the rotation of the planet slows. This could easily cause the moon to be flung from orbit. (T.I.C.)

RE: [Vo]: Heat Engines Simplified

2013-02-08 Thread Jones Beene
From: David Roberson Always remember that energy is energy and that heat energy is just one of many types available. Generally, there is a process that will convert one form into another, and some are easier to work with than others. This is not accurate. There is high grade

[Vo]:FW: Re: Boeing Li-ion battery

2013-02-08 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Below are some interesting insights from Keng Chi, a respected Switching power supply engineer/author/Consultant that I have the privilege to consider a friend. He has helped to shape some of my views on cavity suppression and has always been more open to the possible existence of

Re: [Vo]:George Miley up for ARPA-E funding

2013-02-08 Thread Ruby
Hey Moab, thanks for the update. i'll post it up and let's get this guy some votes! Ruby On 2/8/13 2:49 AM, Moab Moab wrote: It seems LENUCO might be up to get funding from ARPA-E. Maybe. First he'll need enough votes. http://futureenergy.ultralightstartups.com/campaign/detail/861 --

Re: [Vo]:Pumped storage hydroelectricity goes well with wind energy

2013-02-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: One big problem with this concept is that there are not many locations available to place new facilities. These can be new, man-made facilities, such as a hole in the ocean. They have a lot of them in Switzerland where they make alpine lakes. It is

Re: [Vo]: Heat Engines Simplified

2013-02-08 Thread David Roberson
-Original Message- From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, Feb 8, 2013 1:06 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]: Heat Engines Simplified From:David Roberson Always remember that energy is energy and that heat energy is justone of many types

Re: [Vo]:nanocavities

2013-02-08 Thread pagnucco
Peter, You may also be interested in the following paper on nanochannels - CHANNELING, SUPERFOCUSING, AND NUCLEAR REACTIONS - Yu N. Demkov http://144.206.159.178/FT/8304/558634/11919154.pdf While it discusses the extreme focusing of ~1 MeV proton wave-functions, perhaps particles/ions in

Re: [Vo]:George Miley up for ARPA-E funding

2013-02-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: We have three other companies claiming to have commercial generators of power. Each of these claims is based on dubious demonstrations. What is the Miley claim based on? Not even a dubious demonstration, as far as I know. No demonstration at all.

Re: [Vo]:George Miley up for ARPA-E funding

2013-02-08 Thread Edmund Storms
The sarcasm is appreciated, Jed. But seriously, are we in the field free to propose money be spent on any claim regardless of its reality? If so, how can anyone trust what we say about other claims or about the reality of LENR in general? May a spokesman for CF support any idea

Re: [Vo]:Pumped storage hydroelectricity goes well with wind energy

2013-02-08 Thread Eric Walker
On Feb 8, 2013, at 9:01, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: One big problem with this concept is that there are not many locations available to place new facilities. I think this has been mentioned here before, but what about diverting the unneeded power to drive electrolysis and

Re: [Vo]:George Miley up for ARPA-E funding

2013-02-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: The sarcasm is appreciated, Jed. I am glad someone recognizes it as such. But seriously, are we in the field free to propose money be spent on any claim regardless of its reality? If so, how can anyone trust what we say about other claims or about

Re: [Vo]:George Miley up for ARPA-E funding

2013-02-08 Thread Edmund Storms
Yes, by all means give George a chance to be heard. Nevertheless, I think that all proposals need to be treated with the same level of skepticism. Rossi, for example, is required to PROVE his claims, which he has not done in many minds. I suggest George needs to do the same before we in

Re: [Vo]:George Miley up for ARPA-E funding

2013-02-08 Thread James Bowery
Edmund, why not pitch your proposed research program so we can vote with a clear conscience? https://ultralight.wufoo.com/forms/future-energy-application-form/ On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Yes, by all means give George a chance to be heard.

Re: [Vo]:George Miley up for ARPA-E funding

2013-02-08 Thread Edmund Storms
Good idea. However I think I have a better chance of getting support from private sources. My only concern is how the field presents its claims to the world. This submission is one of the ways. I think it is useless as a source of funding but it is going to be noticed. Many different

Re: [Vo]:George Miley up for ARPA-E funding

2013-02-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Yes, by all means give George a chance to be heard. Nevertheless, I think that all proposals need to be treated with the same level of skepticism. Rossi, for example, is required to PROVE his claims, which he has not done in many minds. If Rossi

Re: [Vo]:Pumped storage hydroelectricity goes well with wind energy

2013-02-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I think this has been mentioned here before, but what about diverting the unneeded power to drive electrolysis and capture the hydrogen for later use in a generator that makes use of an internal combustion engine or is sold on the consumer market? A

Re: [Vo]:George Miley up for ARPA-E funding

2013-02-08 Thread Alain Sepeda
I feel those relative skepticism a bit strange and unjustified. If you read all the project they are mainstream but very risky/uncertain. The project of Miley is not interesting because of LENR... it is the less uncertain part, and if Miley cannot make his technology work he can ask DGT, Rossi,

Re: [Vo]:George Miley up for ARPA-E funding

2013-02-08 Thread Rob Dingemans
Hi, On 8-2-2013 22:38, Edmund Storms wrote: Yes, by all means give George a chance to be heard. Nevertheless, I think that all proposals need to be treated with the same level of skepticism. Rossi, for example, is required to PROVE his claims, which he has not done in many minds. I suggest

Re: [Vo]:George Miley up for ARPA-E funding

2013-02-08 Thread Edmund Storms
On Feb 8, 2013, at 4:42 PM, Rob Dingemans wrote: Hi, On 8-2-2013 22:38, Edmund Storms wrote: Yes, by all means give George a chance to be heard. Nevertheless, I think that all proposals need to be treated with the same level of skepticism. Rossi, for example, is required to PROVE his

Re: [Vo]:Pumped storage hydroelectricity goes well with wind energy - electrolysis

2013-02-08 Thread David L Babcock
On 2/8/2013 5:04 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com mailto:eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I think this has been mentioned here before, but what about diverting the unneeded power to drive electrolysis and capture the hydrogen for later use in a generator that

[Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

2013-02-08 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Hello Vorts: See below for confirmation from YE Kim that the formation of a BEC at room temperature gives his LENR theory a leg up. Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com 1:22 PM (4 hours ago) to yekim, ayandas, pkb Hello Dr. Kim. I left you a voicemail regarding this. Does the formation of a

Re: [Vo]:nanocavities

2013-02-08 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 11:08 AM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: While it discusses the extreme focusing of ~1 MeV proton wave-functions, perhaps particles/ions in micro-/nano-channels in zeolites, nano-crevices, nanostructures, ..., experience more wave-function focusing than expected -

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

2013-02-08 Thread Chuck Sites
Its great to read Kim's reply. I;ve followed Dr. YE Kim's work for years along with the Scott and Talbot Chubbs. I was convinced years ago, that the only mechanism that would work for cold fusion was a BEC. A Bose Einstein Condensate. It's a known physics fact that particles that enter the

Re: [Vo]:OT Global Warming

2013-02-08 Thread Chuck Sites
On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 11:13 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Chuck Sites cbsit...@gmail.com wrote: Heartland is funded by Koch, and other deep pocket anonymous donors. I have to give them some credit -- tactically speaking, they are quite