Re: [Vo]:Atmospheric Vortex vs (and?) LENR

2013-07-04 Thread James Bowery
I said operational definitions are crucial to experiments and that's virtually by definition. You, yourself, admitted it when you tried to escape from an operational definition of intelligence by using art as a proxy and then you went ahead and found yourself providing an operational definition

Re: [Vo]:Atmospheric Vortex vs (and?) LENR

2013-07-04 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 12:02 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: I said operational definitions are crucial to experiments and that's virtually by definition. You, yourself, admitted it when you tried to escape from an operational definition of intelligence by using art as a proxy and

[Vo]:Mo wins

2013-07-04 Thread Jones Beene
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=6ukMId5fIi0 ... not Mo of the 3 stooges, but the big Mo of momentum. Is it any wonder why perpmo inventors can fall into self-delusion so easily? attachment: winmail.dat

Re: [Vo]:Atmospheric Vortex vs (and?) LENR

2013-07-04 Thread James Bowery
Well since we're talking measurement and theory in the natural sciences, one is operating on nature and one does have a model of nature which is formal in the sense that any theory is formal. On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 3:32 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 12:02

Re: [Vo]:Atmospheric Vortex vs (and?) LENR

2013-07-04 Thread H Veeder
If machines can have artificial intelligence can they have artificial stupidity? harry On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 3:02 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: I said operational definitions are crucial to experiments and that's virtually by definition. You, yourself, admitted it when you

Re: [Vo]:Mo wins

2013-07-04 Thread H Veeder
The problem with the explanation offered in the video is that it could apply to a rope but ropes don't behave like that so the explanation is not specific to the behaviour of the chain. Harry On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

[Vo]:A hypothetical HotCat 'whispering gallery' at the SiC tube interface.

2013-07-04 Thread Jones Beene
The HotCat appears to be constructed of a sealed tubular steel capsule containing hydrogen (as a solid hydride)and a catalyst, nested inside a larger ceramic tube of SiC. These two coaxial tubular units constitute the innermost components of the device. There is a narrow gap interface between the

Re: [Vo]:Atmospheric Vortex vs (and?) LENR

2013-07-04 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 7:21 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Well since we're talking measurement and theory in the natural sciences, one is operating on nature and one does have a model of nature which is formal in the sense that any theory is formal. I think we are largely in

RE: [Vo]:Mo wins

2013-07-04 Thread Jones Beene
From: H Veeder The problem with the explanation offered in the video is that it could apply to a rope but ropes don't behave like that so the explanation is not specific to the behaviour of the chain. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded

RE: [Vo]:Mo wins

2013-07-04 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
The problem with the explanation offered in the video is that it could apply to a rope but ropes don't behave like that so the explanation is not specific to the behaviour of the chain. Harry Your comment strikes me as a little confusing. Shouldn't you have said that the explanation

Re: [Vo]:Atmospheric Vortex vs (and?) LENR

2013-07-04 Thread ChemE Stewart
If we model them after humans the answer is yes On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 11:05 AM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: If machines can have artificial intelligence can they have artificial stupidity? harry On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 3:02 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: I said

Re: [Vo]:Atmospheric Vortex vs (and?) LENR

2013-07-04 Thread Alain Sepeda
yes. You can even manipulate them. Illusion is often symptom of intelligence. Errors, illusion, bias, are often caused by some heuristics used to think fast and deeply, at the risk to make errors in rare cases. about operational definition of intelligence, I have the engineer vision, that a

Re: [Vo]:Celani IIST paper ... for lenr-canr...

2013-07-04 Thread Jed Rothwell
Got it. Thanks. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:A hypothetical HotCat 'whispering gallery' at the SiC tube interface.

2013-07-04 Thread Teslaalset
Jones, if I read the original report, the december test was performed on a contruction that has a steel inner tube containing the Ni powder. That cylinder was surrounded by a ceramic layer of corundum, which as a whole was surrounded by a Silicon nitride shell. The March test was performed on a

Re: [Vo]:Atmospheric Vortex vs (and?) LENR

2013-07-04 Thread Mark Gibbs
Everything you're talking about equates intelligence with problem solving which is essentially a very narrow view of what intelligence involves and that's fine if problem solving is the only measure of intelligence you care about. The problem with this perspective is that it excludes other aspects

RE: [Vo]:A hypothetical HotCat 'whispering gallery' at the SiC tube interface.

2013-07-04 Thread Jones Beene
Don't you mean carborundum . it is another name for SiC From: Jones, if I read the original report, the december test was performed on a contruction that has a steel inner tube containing the Ni powder. That cylinder was surrounded by a ceramic layer of corundum, which as a whole

Re: [Vo]:A hypothetical HotCat 'whispering gallery' at the SiC tube interface.

2013-07-04 Thread Teslaalset
corundum is what is noted down in the report but looking to its characteristics they may have confused it with carborundum, which is indeed another name for SiC. Op donderdag 4 juli 2013 schreef Jones Beene (jone...@pacbell.net) het volgende: Don’t you mean “carborundum” … it is another name

Re: [Vo]:A hypothetical HotCat 'whispering gallery' at the SiC tube interface.

2013-07-04 Thread Bob Higgins
There was no mention in the report of carborundum, the description was a different ceramic material (corundum). Corundum is Al2O3. The ceramic form is common alumina. On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Teslaalset robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.comwrote: corundum is what is noted down in the report

Re: [Vo]:Atmospheric Vortex vs (and?) LENR

2013-07-04 Thread Alain Sepeda
maybe I could add that intelligence can solve really new and unprepared problems, like life. I agree that it looks narrow , but sure creativity is part of operational intelligence. creativity is used for PS. Empathy (globally EQ) is sure also a PS ability for a social animal. Key value for

Re: [Vo]:Atmospheric Vortex vs (and?) LENR

2013-07-04 Thread James Bowery
In the theory of Universal Algorithmic Intelligencehttp://www.hutter1.net/ai/aixigentle.pdf(aka Universal Artificial Intelligence), there are two aspects: Prediction and Decision Decision is driven by valuation. Prediction is driven by experience. Decision theory is routinely taught in elite

[Vo]:Proton-21 and LeClair

2013-07-04 Thread Axil Axil
Reference: http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-331/aflb331m632.pdf *Experimental observation and analysis of action of light magnetic monopoles on multilayer surfaces* I am interested in the similarities between the electromagnetic anomalies that have been reported by the Proton-21 experiment with those

RE: [Vo]:A hypothetical HotCat 'whispering gallery' at the SiC tube interface.

2013-07-04 Thread Jones Beene
Hmm. well the earliest reference I can find on carborundum is this March post http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg80942.html It is an important point, but corundum also is a high temperature dielectric on which plasmons can form. It would probably suffice. The

[Vo]:Considering the LENR reaction strength attribute

2013-07-04 Thread Axil Axil
There is a LENR strength component that changes the character and the types of nuclear processes and transmutation produces that are manifest in various LENR reactor reactions. In the Rossi reactor, the strength level of the reaction is the weakest in this example. The Rossi reaction only

[Vo]:Jet Energy - nanor/phusor question

2013-07-04 Thread Jack Cole
In my electrolysis research, I found that the wire leads for my control runs made a significant difference. Obviously, thinner wire connecting to the joule heater resulted in less power being dissipated in the joule heater and more being dissipated in the wire leads. I had initially thought the

Re: [Vo]:A hypothetical HotCat 'whispering gallery' at the SiC tube interface.

2013-07-04 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: If Rossi was using corundum, then carborundum would seem like an improvement, but it is important to track down the actual composition of what was used in the December test. I asked about this while correcting typos in the paper. One of the authors

RE: [Vo]:A hypothetical HotCat 'whispering gallery' at the SiC tube interface.

2013-07-04 Thread Jones Beene
From: Jed Rothwell If Rossi was using corundum, then carborundum would seem like an improvement, but it is important to track down the actual composition of what was used in the December test. I asked about this

Re: [Vo]:Jet Energy - nanor/phusor question

2013-07-04 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com wrote: Could the apparent excess heating in this device be related to the same phenomena (i.e., power dissipation in electrical leads vs. where the measurements are taking place)? I do not know but it sounds plausible. I have heard of similar errors. With such

[Vo]:LENR clues in a 6/30/13 crop circle?

2013-07-04 Thread ChemE Stewart
For those with an open mind http://cropcircleconnector.com/2013/Cavallo/comments.html

Re: [Vo]:A hypothetical HotCat 'whispering gallery' at the SiC tube interface.

2013-07-04 Thread Bob Higgins
Jones, I believe you are mistaken. The bottom picture shows the thick alumina (probably not high purity, but rather an AlSiMag blend) with the slots for the resistor wires in the middle. Inside this is only the stainless tube - blackened by the refractory sealant they put over that whole end in

RE: [Vo]:A hypothetical HotCat 'whispering gallery' at the SiC tube interface.

2013-07-04 Thread Jones Beene
Bob, Did you blow the image up? (thanks to Alan for having all of this info handy) I could be wrong, but the tube in question still looks to be far too thick to be blackened stainless - and there is no sign of metal at all - it looks black all the way in. Plus there is no sign of the

[Vo]:putting some things together

2013-07-04 Thread Axil Axil
I have put some posts together in a more understandable compendium. In pursuit of a better understanding of LENR, I wanted to find out what was behind some of the latest ideas about the nucleus as recently developed by orthodox physics. This includes strong and weak force equivalence called in

Re: [Vo]:A hypothetical HotCat 'whispering gallery' at the SiC tube interface.

2013-07-04 Thread Bob Higgins
The photo links you supplied appear to be from Fabio Penon's report of 8/7/2012. In this report, he states that this inner tube is stainless steel painted with a black coating, heat resistant to 1200C. He also says that in this early HotCat, the outer cylinder is painted stainless. Also, it

RE: [Vo]:A hypothetical HotCat 'whispering gallery' at the SiC tube interface.

2013-07-04 Thread Jones Beene
From: Bob Higgins The photo links you supplied appear to be from Fabio Penon's report of 8/7/2012. In this report, he states that this inner tube is stainless steel painted with a black coating, heat resistant to 1200C. He also says that in this early HotCat,

Re: [Vo]:Jet Energy - nanor/phusor question

2013-07-04 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: Duncan knows a great deal about microcalorimeters, including the type that can measure the heat from a single cosmic ray collision. These devices are fundamentally different in design from what Swartz uses, and what other cold fusion researchers use. The NRL and Tsinghua U. used

Re: [Vo]:A hypothetical HotCat 'whispering gallery' at the SiC tube interface.

2013-07-04 Thread Bob Higgins
I believe in this vintage of the HotCat, the central axis was open to flowing environmental air. That is why the inside of the stainless inner tube would be painted black - to help with radiation from the inside (not that there is very much radiation - only from the ends). The central axis would

Re: [Vo]:Jet Energy - nanor/phusor question

2013-07-04 Thread Jack Cole
That makes sense to me. I suppose he hasn't done so because of the high cost of material. I may have to watch his videos again to see if he addressed this. I know he has put a great deal of thought into the calorimetry, but it needs to be scaled up. On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Jed

Re: [Vo]:putting some things together

2013-07-04 Thread ChemE Stewart
Axil, I agree with a lot of your thinking, at least that which I can understand at this point. For those interested about larger strings in the universe, here is a quote from Brian Green, an M Theory Physicist: Cosmic strings http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_stringare fundamental strings

Re: [Vo]:LENR clues in a 6/30/13 crop circle?

2013-07-04 Thread mixent
In reply to ChemE Stewart's message of Thu, 4 Jul 2013 17:50:07 -0400: Hi, [snip] For those with an open mind http://cropcircleconnector.com/2013/Cavallo/comments.html cluster of 2 Deuterino molecules + 32S = 39K + 1H + 53.045 MeV Clean reaction because both 39K and 1H are stable, the