Re: [Vo]:Electron-mediated alpha decay in quasi-stable isotopes

[Eric Walker]

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 3:33 PM,  wrote:

Generally speaking the fission barrier gets lower as the element gets
> heavier,
> which is why 235U can  be split with a single neutron.
>

Bob (Cook),

In your days working with/in connection with nuclear reactors, were there
any anecdotes about strange things happening when an electrical current was
run through reactor fuel?

Eric

RE: [Vo]:OT: Interesting interactive graphics depicting who is buying the 2016 presidential race

[Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson]

Hi Lennart

 

I haven't been ignoring you. Just lack adequate time. Now that I'm retired it 
sometimes feels as if I have less time at my disposal than ever.  ...not that 
I'm really complaining about it.

 

I have to ask you. Were you the middle sibling growing up in your family?

 

Always the peace maker, you are.

 

Regards,

Steven Vincent Johnson

OrionWorks.com

zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:OT: Interesting interactive graphics depicting who is buying the 2016 presidential race

[Lennart Thornros]

Hello Mark,
First I am glad you have been able to find some funding. Since we talked I
learnt a bit more about diabetes.
Would be interesting to hear more about what is going on.
 Back to politics. Just to declare it seems like you and I can agree about
what makes sense in the programs presented by the parties. I am a little
cynical in the regard that I believe that it is all lip-service. I do not
think the political machinery has an agenda - just polemic which they will
sell to the next lobbyist they meet for a free lunch.
When I said that I assume that you too have reservations to the party line
I was just being polite not stating that I was sure that was your opinion.
I read (between the lines) that you had such reservations but did not want
to come across as some kind of judge. Then we have the darn spellcheck it
accepts 'to' when I mean 'too':) I need a better spell check") I need one,
which will say 'this makes no sense':)
Then about the identification matter. I try to say that the parties has a
program assembled from polls and strategists thinking out a way to attract
votes without making too much of a commitment. I do not think that one
single person has believes that are totally congruent with the party
position. The consequence of that is that we have some kind of average
thoughts named D and another set named R. Of course they are basically the
same. They have the same goals. BTW that is not the goals of us the voters.
I hope I explained myself - otherwise I am happy to add on.


Best Regards ,
Lennart Thornros

www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com
lenn...@thornros.com
+1 916 436 1899
202 Granite Park Court, Lincoln CA 95648

“Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment
to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 1:49 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint 
wrote:

> Hi Lennart:
>
> Appreciate the comments/thots about campaign financing… and I think Steven
> and I are on the same page when it comes to that… too much $ to BOTH
> parties.  I also agree that the entire campaign process is antiquated.  200
> years ago it took a few weeks for information to ‘gallop’ across the US,
> and a month to ‘sail’ across the Atlantic.  Today, it gets across the *
> *world** in a matter of **seconds**… I would be just fine with abolishing
> the political party system.  But even with a new campaign process with
> numerous debates, and getting the $ out of it as well, many candidates will
> still say what they know you want to hear to get your vote, because they
> seek the power that those positions give them.
>
>
>
> RE: your comment…
>
> “Steven at least has said that he does have reservations with some
> democratic ideas. I think you Mark have to ( sorry for assuming but…).
>
>
>
> To clarify, I do not strongly identify with either of the two major
> political parties… As I stated, I’m more socially liberal, and fiscally
> conservative.  Does that not imply that I have reservations about the
> political ideals within each party?  I’m not sure I understand…
>
>
>
> You state, “I think you Mark have to…”   I have to what???  Complete the
> thought…
>
>
>
> “I cannot imagine there is anyone person who would identify his believes
> with either party.”
>
> Can you please clarify???
>
>
>
> B Well,
>
> -mark
>
>
>
> *From:* Lennart Thornros [mailto:lenn...@thornros.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 13, 2015 9:39 AM
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:OT: Interesting interactive graphics depicting who is
> buying the 2016 presidential race
>
>
>
> Mark and Steven,
>
> I think you both miss the point. 'You think the dollars spent on election
> campaigns are a non-issue.
>
> I think it is terrible to spend money to be informed of two candidates
> with almost the same agenda. Yes we spend money - if nothing else we talk
> about tax free contributions.
>
> More important. Back in times when the candidates had to travel by train
> and speak to small groups from the last cars platform there was no other
> way to bring the message out. Today we have the internet and we have ways
> to communicate like Youtube, GoToMeeting etc. We would be better off having
> a group of highly qualified experts providing us the information and then
> we could take our positions as a person. I know you are going to say that
> there are too many new laws and we would all be sitting there trying to
> decide what to say or the votes would be poorly based (just like today). I
> think that by bringing most decision to a local level and limit the number
> of new laws (having limited number of experts), would make it work.
>
> Steven at least has said that he does have reservations with some
> democratic ideas. I think you Mark have to ( sorry for assuming but . . ).
> I cannot imagine there is anyone person who would identify his believes
> with either party.
>
> As an example on my ballot locally it gives me expert analysis saying how
> it will impact cost and how 

RE: [Vo]:OT: Interesting interactive graphics depicting who is buying the 2016 presidential race

[Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson]

Hi Mark, my old nemesis. ;-)

 

Regarding the "rant" word accusation see the following link out in the Vortex 
archive:

 

https://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg105057.html

 

specifically, your statement:

 

> 3- but then, what comes to mind whenever I see anything (OT) from you, is

> that it's going to be yet another rant on how evil the Christians and

> Republicans are.  

 

All I really want to say about that is: Even if you did say it, so what! I 
don't feel like holding it against you! I DO rant at times! ;-) I've also lost 
count of the many things I've said in the past to others that I've later 
regretted saying. I'm sure there will be more to come in the future. But each 
day I try my best to keep whittling it down.

 

On other matters I can understand, and will also validate, why you might feel 
that I have in a sense patronized you when I said "As for the rest, to be 
honest I’m just no longer motivated enuf to go back and explain myself.” Guilty 
as charged. But to be honest, my primary motivation was no to patronize you. I 
had a more selfish motivation. I was just tired of it all. I don't  want to go 
through the whole back-and-forth process again.

 

Let's move on. Indeed, I hope CF continues to heat up. One thing participating 
in Vortex since the 1990s has taught me is that it helps to acquire an infinite 
amount of patience.  Miracles don't happen overnight. 

 

As for you, my old nemesis... despite my best judgement I think I am growing 
fond of you. ;-)

 

Paraphrasing something Spock might say, I wish you great prosperity in securing 
adequate funding for your startup company. Instead of crossing my fingers, I'll 
simply give you a high:  \\//  Perhaps Spock would then follow his salute by 
saying, "I find it highly ironic that excess sugar intake is now responsible 
killing so many people in the developed world on your planet." So, yes, good 
luck in your endeavors. Many diabetics will truly appreciate your efforts.

 

As for me, since my retirement of last December I'm spending as much personal 
time as I can working on an on-going Kepler research project. (Analysis of 
Orbital Mechanics.) Involves a lot of computer graphics and learning Calculus 
terminology. Easier said than done. Lately I've noticed that a spate of Honey 
Do projects seem to end up getting higher priority on my to-do list. ...perhaps 
I'm rebelling against all that calculus I 'm trying to cram down my throat... 
er, head.

 

Regards,

Steven Vincent Johnson

OrionWorks.com

zazzle.com/orionworks

 

[Vo]:Re: A model of the proton to describe Holmlid's results

[Bob Cook]

Sorry for the delayed response to this thread--I was golfing.

The epo design of the proton is related to the Philippi Hatt model of the 
proton and neutron and I think the muon.  Hatt presented a paper for this 
model at ICCF-19.  As I have noted in previous threads, it correctly 
predicts the magnetic moments and rest masses of the stable particles.  I do 
not think it addresses quarks.  It does address the existence of matter in 
greater quantities than antimatter.


Jones suggests that its epo turtles all the way down.  I think Hatt's model 
of the neutron includes only 900 turtles and the proton model, 900.5.


Quarks being mythical and not having rest masses that can be measured are 
not considered.  They are not necessary to explain measurable events IMHO.


Bob Cook

-Original Message- 
From: Ron Wormus

Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2015 9:03 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:A model of the proton to describe Holmlid's results

Jones,
Brightsen's Clustron Model of the nucleus also has antimatter in the
nucleus.

I have pdf's of all his papers if anyone is interested.
Ron

--On Tuesday, October 06, 2015 5:58 PM -0700 Jones Beene
 wrote:



Of interest - wrt the "9 muon model" of the proton is an old paper
by Harold Aspen where he came up with the same conclusion.

http://www.aetherscience.org/www-aspden-org/books/Asp/1988c.pdf

Aspden missed the important detail about binding energy showing up as
mass deficit, but still it is more than coincidental to Stubb's model.

One more point for John Berry about antimatter and matter coexisting in
the nucleus without annihilating. It turns out that the standard model
of physics has the quark and antiquark coexisting without annihilation,
so there is an exact precedent for this, already in place and no good
reason the muon and antimuon cannot do the same.

I haven't had the time to review exactly how Don Hotson imagined the
proton to be constructed, but epo pairs are likely to be involved – so
here too we have a similar situation of bound matter and antimatter
showing up as building blocks. Stubbs mentions something like this in
one of his papers but rejects electrons in favor of muons, yet the muon
itself could be imagined to be 103 epos plus an electron .

Instead of "turtles all the way down"… it's looking more and
more like "leptons all the way down"

For the turtle challenged:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down

RE: [Vo]:OT: Interesting interactive graphics depicting who is buying the 2016 presidential race

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Good morning Lennart,

Thank you for clarifying a few points… I do agree that most of the political 
party platforms are more or less lip service to attract various categories of 
voters… the goal is just to get reelected and become the majority party… there 
is no compromise anymore.  I think the voters are fed up with the BS, and 
that’s why the non-politicians, the ‘outsiders’, are leading all the polls on 
the Repub side… oh, and yes, I *too* think that the spell checkers are a bit 
lacking in intuiting what I write!  But you should be able to disable the spell 
checker, at least in Windows/MS-Office you can… 

 

RE: noninvasive glucose

I’ll follow-up with you via email…


BR,

-mark

 

From: Lennart Thornros [mailto:lenn...@thornros.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 8:21 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: Interesting interactive graphics depicting who is buying 
the 2016 presidential race

 

Hello Mark,

First I am glad you have been able to find some funding. Since we talked I 
learnt a bit more about diabetes. 

Would be interesting to hear more about what is going on.

 Back to politics. Just to declare it seems like you and I can agree about what 
makes sense in the programs presented by the parties. I am a little cynical in 
the regard that I believe that it is all lip-service. I do not think the 
political machinery has an agenda - just polemic which they will sell to the 
next lobbyist they meet for a free lunch.

When I said that I assume that you too have reservations to the party line I 
was just being polite not stating that I was sure that was your opinion. I read 
(between the lines) that you had such reservations but did not want to come 
across as some kind of judge. Then we have the darn spellcheck it accepts 'to' 
when I mean 'too':) I need a better spell check") I need one, which will say 
'this makes no sense':)

Then about the identification matter. I try to say that the parties has a 
program assembled from polls and strategists thinking out a way to attract 
votes without making too much of a commitment. I do not think that one single 
person has believes that are totally congruent with the party position. The 
consequence of that is that we have some kind of average thoughts named D and 
another set named R. Of course they are basically the same. They have the same 
goals. BTW that is not the goals of us the voters.

I hope I explained myself - otherwise I am happy to add on. 

 




Best Regards ,
Lennart Thornros

 

www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com 

lenn...@thornros.com
+1 916 436 1899

202 Granite Park Court, Lincoln CA 95648

 

“Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to 
excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM

 

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 1:49 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint  wrote:

Hi Lennart:

Appreciate the comments/thots about campaign financing… and I think Steven and 
I are on the same page when it comes to that… too much $ to BOTH parties.  I 
also agree that the entire campaign process is antiquated.  200 years ago it 
took a few weeks for information to ‘gallop’ across the US, and a month to 
‘sail’ across the Atlantic.  Today, it gets across the *world* in a matter of 
*seconds*… I would be just fine with abolishing the political party system.  
But even with a new campaign process with numerous debates, and getting the $ 
out of it as well, many candidates will still say what they know you want to 
hear to get your vote, because they seek the power that those positions give 
them.

 

RE: your comment…

“Steven at least has said that he does have reservations with some democratic 
ideas. I think you Mark have to ( sorry for assuming but…).

 

To clarify, I do not strongly identify with either of the two major political 
parties… As I stated, I’m more socially liberal, and fiscally conservative.  
Does that not imply that I have reservations about the political ideals within 
each party?  I’m not sure I understand… 

 

You state, “I think you Mark have to…”   I have to what???  Complete the 
thought… 

 

“I cannot imagine there is anyone person who would identify his believes with 
either party.”

Can you please clarify???

 

B Well,

-mark 

 

From: Lennart Thornros [mailto:lenn...@thornros.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 9:39 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: Interesting interactive graphics depicting who is buying 
the 2016 presidential race

 

Mark and Steven,

I think you both miss the point. 'You think the dollars spent on election 
campaigns are a non-issue.

I think it is terrible to spend money to be informed of two candidates with 
almost the same agenda. Yes we spend money - if nothing else we talk about tax 
free contributions.

More important. Back in times when the candidates had to travel by train and 
speak to small groups from the last cars platform there was no other way to 
bring the message out. Today we have the internet and we 

Re: [Vo]:OT: Interesting interactive graphics depicting who is buying the 2016 presidential race

[Lennart Thornros]

Steven,
No, I was not the middle sibling - the oldest of two.
This is the first time in my life I have been called a peace maker.
I think that is not all accurate. However, I believe that finding logical,
sensitive and productive solutions is important.
I am fine being controversial but it is not an objective per se.

Best Regards ,
Lennart Thornros

www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com
lenn...@thornros.com
+1 916 436 1899
202 Granite Park Court, Lincoln CA 95648

“Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment
to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 8:44 AM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson <
orionwo...@charter.net> wrote:

> Hi Lennart
>
>
>
> I haven't been ignoring you. Just lack adequate time. Now that I'm retired
> it sometimes feels as if I have less time at my disposal than ever.  ...not
> that I'm really complaining about it.
>
>
>
> I have to ask you. Were you the middle sibling growing up in your family?
>
>
>
> Always the peace maker, you are.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Steven Vincent Johnson
>
> OrionWorks.com
>
> zazzle.com/orionworks
>

[Vo]:Re: MMDD .... Muon Mediated Deuteron Disintegration

[Bob Cook]

RE: [Vo]:MMDD  Muon Mediated Deuteron DisintegrationJones--

I agree with your comments about muons and Cherenkov radiation.  One needs a 
sensitive spectrum analyzer to see the distinct bands of radiation in Cherenkov 
radiation.  A good spectrometer could do this with good accuracy around 
suspected energy for the muon interactions.  One must be careful to account for 
the refractive index of air in calculating such a spectrum to look for specific 
energies with a visual spectrometer.   It may be advisable to not use your eye 
to look for ultraviolet energy levels that may be radiated.  

Bob Cook 

From: Jones Beene 
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 7:07 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
Subject: RE: [Vo]:MMDD  Muon Mediated Deuteron Disintegration

From: Stephen Cooke 


Ø  Could there be characteristic photon emission from transitions in muon 
shell levels similar to those from electrons and at what frequencies these 
occur. Could these be observed experimentally? If characteristic radiation can 
be seen from muon energy level transitions then it could be interesting to see 
if radiation of these frequencies occur astronomically… 


A fraction of typical Cherenkov radiation in fission reactor spent fuel pools 
comes from muons. Someone out there probably knows the exact  signature 
frequency of light originating from muons in that situation, both the 
initiating frequency and the downshifted, but I do not. This signal is detected 
astronomically as well. There are Cherenkov detectors made specifically for 
atmospheric detection.

And yes – this signature could probably be used as further evidence of muons - 
by replicators of Holmlid – most of whom do not have access to muon detectors. 
Although observed to be blue, most Cherenkov radiation is actually in the 
ultraviolet spectrum, downshifted to visible blue by the water interaction.

It would be interesting to position a “glow tube” experiment in a water bath 
and try to isolate the characteristic signal of muons using filters and 
spectrometers, but the signal could be overwhelmed by the intensity of IR.

[Vo]:The function of the substrate

[Axil Axil]

One of the major functions that LENR must fulfill is the reception,
concentration, and amplification of energy from the external environment
and the conversion of that power into magnetism. That external energy is
light in one form or another.

In LENR engineering, the structure that first captures the light energy is
the lattice substrate. Without this substrate, LENR does not happen unless
the source of light is very powerful. Three examples of this substrate and
their associated systems are as follows: In the Rossi’s E-Cat, the Lattice
is the 100 micron nickel particle that Rossi produces in fuel
preprocessing. This particle is an antenna that optimally receives infrared
light(heat) and converts this light energy into dipole motion. This
electron motion produces an alternating current at high frequency.

The next example is Holmlid’s iridium powder holder that holds iron oxide
potassium particles. This metal lattice optimally absorbs light in the
green-blue to UV range. This lattice will also convert this high frequency
light into alternating current.
The structure that converts and amplifies this alternating current into
magnetism is nano particles of hydrogen, potassium, or lithium. This
rydberg matter are nanowires that only allows this alternating current to
flow in one direction. This EMF power can only collect into balls of power.
These particles also mix electrons and light photons together to form
polaritons. At the tips of the nanowires and the points of were they touch
each other, vortexes of polaritons form these rings of EMF are call
solitons of polaritons (SPP). It is these rings of EMF energy that store
large amounts of power and produce magnetic beams that cause the LENR
effect. They are black holes of EMF where energy goes in but does not come
out.

Another antenna method that seems to work is the metal foam powder holders
that DGT came up with. This network of fine nickel wires acts like a
backplane that caries the received EMF produced by the spark that DGT used
to pump EMF power into the 5 micron nickel particles. DGT also produced
rydberg matter which generated the SPPs.

Without the lattice that receives and directs the EMF into the nanopowder,
a powerful light source such as a laser will be powerful enough to produce
LENR in just nanopowder alone.
This particular behavior was observed in experiments where a laser
irradiated gold nanopowder dissolved in water. The uranium and thorium
salts that was dissolved in that water underwent a fission reaction. This
says that muons where produced to canalize fission instead of neutrons.

On the other hand, Holmlid does not need a laser to produce muons because
the iridium powder holder is an antenna that is sensitive enough to receive
and concentrate light from his lab’s florescent lights. But the gold powder
which does not have a lattice substrate to help it, would not react to
generate muons using just room lighting; these nanoparticles require a
powerful light source like a laser to produce the magnetic power strong
enough to generate muons.

[Vo]:who tries to dominate in LENR? (sketch)

[Peter Gluck]

See this please:

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2015/10/oct-14-2015-about-lenr-domination.html

: almost no news, papers today, sorry! I am asking for your help.

Peter

-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

RE: [Vo]:OT: Interesting interactive graphics depicting who is buying the 2016 presidential race

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Steven… 

Again, appreciate you’re reading/responding… and I apologize for missing my 
first use of ‘rant’.  I stand corrected… 

And please don’t let this exchange dissuade you from venting… you always follow 
protocol and label them OT.  And I will very likely read them… you are an 
intelligent, inquisitive being and write well… you being retired now, 
perceptions probably aren’t much of a concern, but for those who are not, and 
with the ease with which writings propagate on the net, perception can be 
crucial is one’s career and interaction with others.

 

Yes, movin’ on, and with some biggies now into LENR (Airbus, etc.) the genie is 
pretty much out of the bottle… this has caused the theoretical  types to ponder 
what QM has to say about the mechanism, and we are seeing more theoretical 
papers… that’s definitely a good thing.

Funny you should mention spock/ST… of the main characters in the original 
series, is he your fav?  He and LtCmdr Data from STTNG are mine.  If they were 
running the govt we’d be much better off!! J  Of course, if one includes 
ST-Voyager in the mix, then all bets are off and 7-of-9 is on top!!! ;-)  In my 
dreams… LoL. 

 

Thank you for the well-wishes on the glucose tech… it’s been a *very* long 
struggle;  I first got involved in 1993… I am very thankful that someone a bit 
younger has picked up the torch!  Keep up with the orbital mech studies… who 
knows, like ChemE, you just might have a thing or two to teach the ‘experts’.

 

Honey Do lists are important!  I have two items on the latest one, and they are 
a nice diversion and get me up and away from the computer…

 

Best always, and enjoy your retirement…

-mark

PS, let’s hope that whoever gets elected in Wisconsin, they will at least be 
*fiscally* conservative so as not to bankrupt the state so your retirement 
checks don’t turn to rubber…  ;-) Pension funds can go ‘poof’!

 

 

From: Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson [mailto:orionwo...@charter.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 8:45 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:OT: Interesting interactive graphics depicting who is buying 
the 2016 presidential race

 

Hi Mark, my old nemesis. ;-)

 

Regarding the "rant" word accusation see the following link out in the Vortex 
archive:

 

https://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg105057.html

 

specifically, your statement:

 

> 3- but then, what comes to mind whenever I see anything (OT) from you, is

> that it's going to be yet another rant on how evil the Christians and

> Republicans are.  

 

All I really want to say about that is: Even if you did say it, so what! I 
don't feel like holding it against you! I DO rant at times! ;-) I've also lost 
count of the many things I've said in the past to others that I've later 
regretted saying. I'm sure there will be more to come in the future. But each 
day I try my best to keep whittling it down.

 

On other matters I can understand, and will also validate, why you might feel 
that I have in a sense patronized you when I said "As for the rest, to be 
honest I’m just no longer motivated enuf to go back and explain myself.” Guilty 
as charged. But to be honest, my primary motivation was no to patronize you. I 
had a more selfish motivation. I was just tired of it all. I don't  want to go 
through the whole back-and-forth process again.

 

Let's move on. Indeed, I hope CF continues to heat up. One thing participating 
in Vortex since the 1990s has taught me is that it helps to acquire an infinite 
amount of patience.  Miracles don't happen overnight. 

 

As for you, my old nemesis... despite my best judgement I think I am growing 
fond of you. ;-)

 

Paraphrasing something Spock might say, I wish you great prosperity in securing 
adequate funding for your startup company. Instead of crossing my fingers, I'll 
simply give you a high:  \\//  Perhaps Spock would then follow his salute by 
saying, "I find it highly ironic that excess sugar intake is now responsible 
killing so many people in the developed world on your planet." So, yes, good 
luck in your endeavors. Many diabetics will truly appreciate your efforts.

 

As for me, since my retirement of last December I'm spending as much personal 
time as I can working on an on-going Kepler research project. (Analysis of 
Orbital Mechanics.) Involves a lot of computer graphics and learning Calculus 
terminology. Easier said than done. Lately I've noticed that a spate of Honey 
Do projects seem to end up getting higher priority on my to-do list. ...perhaps 
I'm rebelling against all that calculus I 'm trying to cram down my throat... 
er, head.

 

Regards,

Steven Vincent Johnson

OrionWorks.com

zazzle.com/orionworks

 

[Vo]:Re: Electron-mediated alpha decay in quasi-stable isotopes

[Bob Cook]

For what it's worth, I agree with the Mill explanation of the source of 
energy being the angular momentum of electrons, either orbital or intrinsic 
or both.


Bob Cook

PS:  that’s spin energy.

-Original Message- 
From: Jones Beene

Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 7:09 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Electron-mediated alpha decay in quasi-stable isotopes

-Original Message-
From: mix...@bigpond.com


You seem to be conflating Holmlid with CQM, Robin.


Actually I was conflating it with IRH. Regardless, if one wants to get
energy from somewhere, then an explanation of the source of that energy
needs to be found.

If 50 eV UV is released from the "ash", then 50 eV must have gone into it's
creation.

Robin,

There are any number of way this can happen, including a dynamical Casimir
effect (after all, we are dealing with geometries which are clearly within
the Casimir range) ... but the most provocative possibility comes from a
"hybrid" viewpoint.

Mills suggests that about 54.4 eV can be derived from the loss of angular
momentum of electron at the second level of redundancy. Perhaps Holmlid has
shown us (by improving on Mills theory)  that when this level is reached,
the UV energy becomes internalized much of the time, no radiation occurs,
and the species shrinks all the way to "ultradense" with no further emission
of any kind.

... which kinda negates the prior conclusion that "both cannot be correct."

Maybe Holmlid and Mills are both partly correct in a way which goes a long
way towards explaining everything in LENR.

[Vo]:Re: Electron-mediated alpha decay in quasi-stable isotopes

[Bob Cook]

I think all such events were associated with spontaneous fission of U-235.  I 
do not know if physics calculations for non-critical neutrons were consistent 
with the spontaneous fission of U-235 measured in a non-energetic environment.  

I do believe the neutrino flux from the sun seems to influence radioactive 
decay.  It may have had an influence on U-235 fission also.  I do not think the 
data on spontaneous fission was accurate enough to discern the possible small 
effects an electric current on reactor fuel.  All tests were well grounded to 
handle static buildup as I recall.  

Bob Cook

From: Eric Walker 
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 8:34 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Electron-mediated alpha decay in quasi-stable isotopes

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 3:33 PM,  wrote:

  Generally speaking the fission barrier gets lower as the element gets heavier,
  which is why 235U can  be split with a single neutron.


Bob (Cook),

In your days working with/in connection with nuclear reactors, were there any 
anecdotes about strange things happening when an electrical current was run 
through reactor fuel?

Eric

[Vo]:OFF TOPIC The enigmatic wisdom of Deepak Chopra

[Jed Rothwell]

Some say artificial intelligence is not yet a thing. Maybe so, but we now
have artificial wisdom. Get your random fictional Deepak Chapra quote here:

http://www.wisdomofchopra.com/

Re: [Vo]:The function of the substrate

[Lennart Thornros]

Hello Axil,
I admit I do not understand much of the nuclear theories.
However, I think I have somewhat of an understanding of what you say about
the substrate and how it is sensitive to a certain frequency.
I have asked before; why is there not a million replication of the Holmlid
set up?
It seems very straight forward or is there something I miss?? Something,
which prevent good experimenters to replicate his experiment.

Best Regards ,
Lennart Thornros

www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com
lenn...@thornros.com
+1 916 436 1899
202 Granite Park Court, Lincoln CA 95648

“Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment
to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> One of the major functions that LENR must fulfill is the reception,
> concentration, and amplification of energy from the external environment
> and the conversion of that power into magnetism. That external energy is
> light in one form or another.
>
> In LENR engineering, the structure that first captures the light energy is
> the lattice substrate. Without this substrate, LENR does not happen unless
> the source of light is very powerful. Three examples of this substrate and
> their associated systems are as follows: In the Rossi’s E-Cat, the Lattice
> is the 100 micron nickel particle that Rossi produces in fuel
> preprocessing. This particle is an antenna that optimally receives infrared
> light(heat) and converts this light energy into dipole motion. This
> electron motion produces an alternating current at high frequency.
>
> The next example is Holmlid’s iridium powder holder that holds iron oxide
> potassium particles. This metal lattice optimally absorbs light in the
> green-blue to UV range. This lattice will also convert this high frequency
> light into alternating current.
> The structure that converts and amplifies this alternating current into
> magnetism is nano particles of hydrogen, potassium, or lithium. This
> rydberg matter are nanowires that only allows this alternating current to
> flow in one direction. This EMF power can only collect into balls of power.
> These particles also mix electrons and light photons together to form
> polaritons. At the tips of the nanowires and the points of were they touch
> each other, vortexes of polaritons form these rings of EMF are call
> solitons of polaritons (SPP). It is these rings of EMF energy that store
> large amounts of power and produce magnetic beams that cause the LENR
> effect. They are black holes of EMF where energy goes in but does not come
> out.
>
> Another antenna method that seems to work is the metal foam powder holders
> that DGT came up with. This network of fine nickel wires acts like a
> backplane that caries the received EMF produced by the spark that DGT used
> to pump EMF power into the 5 micron nickel particles. DGT also produced
> rydberg matter which generated the SPPs.
>
> Without the lattice that receives and directs the EMF into the nanopowder,
> a powerful light source such as a laser will be powerful enough to produce
> LENR in just nanopowder alone.
> This particular behavior was observed in experiments where a laser
> irradiated gold nanopowder dissolved in water. The uranium and thorium
> salts that was dissolved in that water underwent a fission reaction. This
> says that muons where produced to canalize fission instead of neutrons.
>
> On the other hand, Holmlid does not need a laser to produce muons because
> the iridium powder holder is an antenna that is sensitive enough to receive
> and concentrate light from his lab’s florescent lights. But the gold powder
> which does not have a lattice substrate to help it, would not react to
> generate muons using just room lighting; these nanoparticles require a
> powerful light source like a laser to produce the magnetic power strong
> enough to generate muons.
>
>

RE: [Vo]:OT: Interesting interactive graphics depicting who is buying the 2016 presidential race

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Steven,

Thanks for providing a little further explanation.

 

I looked thru the postings and did not see where I referred to your postings
as being 'rants'. none.  I also never said it wasn't informative, only very
one-sided.  Agree that the world is full of 1-sided POVs, and I didn't have
a prob with your posting, however, for once, I happened to feel compelled to
comment and include additional data to provide a more complete view of the
overall issue.  Aside from my first sentence, did my contribution add to the
overall value of that topic???  Did it further inform anyone who bothered to
read it?  At least one did. Lennart! J  He must be bored!!

 

If we go back 4  to 6 years, you've made quite a number of OT postings about
the evil repubs in your state of Wisconsin. and that's perfectly fine!  I
even started to read most of them when they appeared.  I don't care if you
want to spend your time doing that. and certainly didn't try to dissuade
you.   This one time I happened to feel like commenting on it.  Sorry, next
time I'll try to start my 2 cent posting in a more benign manner.

 

"As for the rest, to be honest I'm just no longer motivated enuf to go back
and explain myself."

I may be weird, but given all that we've expressed on this, that statement
seems to say, "I know I'm right and not interested in entertaining other
opinions or trying to understand where the other person is coming from."  It
assumes that there was no validity whatsoever to my explanation as to how my
impression of all your angry-at-GovWalker-Repubs political postings led me
to perhaps phrase it the way I did. now who's being patronizing???  OK, you
got me back. 

 

RE: your OT postings over the years about political/work-related
tribulations.

You say first impressions count!  And I agree. however, perceptions are as
important, if not more so.  I sincerely don't think you realize that posting
such strong, angry, postings on a public forum causes people to develop a
perception of who you are. and don't you think that that influences them
when they go to interact with you??  It most certainly does!  Any
politician/manager/leader will tell you perception is everything; not that I
agree with that entirely, but it is a very important aspect to how people
treat you; at least, until they interact enough to know you on a more
personal level.

 

I wish I had more time to participate in the Vort sand box. things are
definitely heating up in LENR-land. finally!!  Unfortunately, I'm busy with
getting the noninvasive glucose tech restarted.  Have inked a deal with a
gent in the Bay Area who has raised some seed $ for a validation study. keep
fingers crossed that we can get series-A funding, and if the validation
study results are as good as the preclinicals, then I know we won't have any
trouble raising what we need. diabetics have been hoping for 30 years for a
truly painless glucometer. I am doing what I can to make that happen.

 

B Well,

-mark

 

From: Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson [mailto:orionwo...@charter.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 9:06 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:OT: Interesting interactive graphics depicting who is
buying the 2016 presidential race

 

Mark,

 

I'm impressed by your earnestness in wanting to get clarification. I'll just
focus on one exchange. What motivated me to go on the offensive, so to
speak, was the first comment you made, which was:

 

> The NYT article is so blatantly one-sided, but of course, you know that...

> at least, I hope you do.

 

As the old say'in goes: First impressions count.

 

Granted, it may not have been your intention to do so but that was a
patronizing thing to say to anyone. So what if it's a one-sided article. So
what if I posted that "one-side" article out to Vort Land. The world if full
of one-sided POVs, and inevitably someone's one-sided POV (or article) is
not going to align with one's personal stash of approved POVs. That doesn't
make that so-called one-sided POV any less informative.

 

As for the rest, to be honest I'm just no longer motivated enuf to go back
and explain myself. Based on other comments you made I get the impression
much of anything else I might say pertaining to the political arena would be
interpreted as yet another leftist "rant" coming from me. You did call some
of my prior comments "rants". But, enuf of interpreting my POVs. Let me put
it another way. maybe you were more accurate than I was on some of the
points you were trying to make, and perhaps I was more accurate on some of
the other points. As for me, I would prefer to find common ground on what we
can agree on rather than what we disagree on. Energy tends to be expended
more efficiently when we work in a sand box of common ground.

 

So, c u back in the Vort Sand box. Perhaps the next time we connect will end
up on the same side.

 

Regards,

Steven Vincent Johnson

OrionWorks.com

zazzle.com/orionworks

 

RE: [Vo]:MMDD .... Muon Mediated Deuteron Disintegration

[Stephen Cooke]

I really enjoy browsing this site, the discussions are amazing. 
I recently on LENR Forum had some similar thoughts but since I am more an 
enthusiast than and far from a serious physicist so they are pretty speculative 
and I appreciate from the discussions here that there are also all sorts of 
nucleus and nucleon state energy and conservation issues to be taken into 
account. I wonder if they are relevant though so i thought to copy it here:
I recently read an article on Space Daily about atoms during a 
supernova:spacedaily.com/reports/How_do_…ernova_explosion_999.htmlIt talks 
about X-ray interactions in Supernova producing an exotic plasma state where 
the inner electrons are ejected from atoms. A supernova is obviously a 
different environment than that discussed in Leif Holmlid experiment and the 
article does not talk at all about either cold or hot fusion but I wonder if 
the high temperatures and energies produced by the lasers might be creating a 
similar environment on a local scale that has a similar atomic effect that LENR 
can then maybe take advantage of.I could not help wondering if this could play 
a part in Rydberg matter formation. Also if the inner vacancies from the 
ejected photons could capture a muon before the outer electrons rearrange and 
fill these positions.Note according to the article high energy X-rays are 
produced as a consequence of this effect which i understand are not seen in 
LENR experiments. I wonder if the XUV light seen in sonoluminescence 
experiments and by Mills is at similar frequencies?Could there be 
characteristic photon emission from transitions in muon shell levels similar to 
those from electrons and at what frequencies these occur. Could these be 
observed experimentally?If characteristic radiation can be seen from muon 
energy level transitions then it could be interesting to see if radiation of 
these frequencies occur astronomically, either in supernovae or other energetic 
shocks and boundaries such as associated with different parts of solar flares. 
Given the muon half life if the radiation occurs well way from known sources 
such as high in the solar corona rather than just close to the photosphere then 
it may tell us something about how and where they are formed.I like Axils ideas 
about the SPP directly producing the radiation but on a slightly different tack 
I wonder if in the absence of lasers could the SPP mentioned by Axil generate 
similar disruptions to the inner electrons either directly or magnetically or 
through the radiation generated by the SPP solitons?If muons are seen do we 
know if they are positive or negative or do we see both, I suppose in order to 
form muonic atoms and allow muon catalysed fusion they would need to be 
negative? I suppose even if muons could be generated from some process perhaps 
involving decay, interaction or resonance of virtual pions in the nucleus quite 
a lot of energy would be needed? Would the high temperatures of 50 to 500 MK be 
sufficient for this? Am I right in saying this is equivalent thermally to about 
4.3 to 43 keV? This seems quite low to generate pions or muons. Or is the 
specific laser frequency also important?Once produced in a nucleus would 
negative muons wave function naturally move into the available orbital due to 
overlap with the nucleus or would conservation of momentum require them to be 
ejected?If negative muons are produced from a negative pion in the nucleus I 
suppose conservation rules would require a Neutron to change to a Proton. If 
these come from the deuterium this implies it forms He2 + which I suppose would 
immediately decay to 2 Protons or by beta + decay back to deuterium. Do we see 
a change in protium/deuterium ratio consistent with this?Looking further I read 
that beta decay rates are sometimes modified in highly ionised atoms and 
sometimes bound beta decay where an emitted election is transferred to a bound 
state can occur. phy.pku.edu.cn/~jcpei/meeting/201408/litvinov.pdfI wonder if 
this could also occur for muons generated from pion decay in the nucleus, 
particularly as the orbitals for muons have greater overlap with the nucleus 
when compared to electron orbitals. Could it be that atoms in Rydberg state or 
with ionised lower orbitals are more likely to generate muons or capture 
negative muons from a nucleus? I suppose this would have been previously 
observed if this is the case, however. I'm not sure how conservation of 
momentum is respected in bound beta decay however maybe the momentum not 
included in the neutrino is taken up by the atom. I suppose any positive muons 
produced would be ejected and form muonium. Still it is difficult to account 
for the energy required if they do come from the nucleus. Edit: I wonder if to 
some extent all nucleons exist in a cloud of one or more virtual mesons 
according to the quark composition of the nucleon and how their wave functions 
would behave and interact. I wonder if a highly charged 

RE: [Vo]:OT: Interesting interactive graphics depicting who is buying the 2016 presidential race

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Hi Lennart:

Appreciate the comments/thots about campaign financing… and I think Steven and 
I are on the same page when it comes to that… too much $ to BOTH parties.  I 
also agree that the entire campaign process is antiquated.  200 years ago it 
took a few weeks for information to ‘gallop’ across the US, and a month to 
‘sail’ across the Atlantic.  Today, it gets across the *world* in a matter of 
*seconds*… I would be just fine with abolishing the political party system.  
But even with a new campaign process with numerous debates, and getting the $ 
out of it as well, many candidates will still say what they know you want to 
hear to get your vote, because they seek the power that those positions give 
them.

 

RE: your comment…

“Steven at least has said that he does have reservations with some democratic 
ideas. I think you Mark have to ( sorry for assuming but…).

 

To clarify, I do not strongly identify with either of the two major political 
parties… As I stated, I’m more socially liberal, and fiscally conservative.  
Does that not imply that I have reservations about the political ideals within 
each party?  I’m not sure I understand… 

 

You state, “I think you Mark have to…”   I have to what???  Complete the 
thought… 

 

“I cannot imagine there is anyone person who would identify his believes with 
either party.”

Can you please clarify???

 

B Well,

-mark 

 

From: Lennart Thornros [mailto:lenn...@thornros.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 9:39 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: Interesting interactive graphics depicting who is buying 
the 2016 presidential race

 

Mark and Steven,

I think you both miss the point. 'You think the dollars spent on election 
campaigns are a non-issue.

I think it is terrible to spend money to be informed of two candidates with 
almost the same agenda. Yes we spend money - if nothing else we talk about tax 
free contributions.

More important. Back in times when the candidates had to travel by train and 
speak to small groups from the last cars platform there was no other way to 
bring the message out. Today we have the internet and we have ways to 
communicate like Youtube, GoToMeeting etc. We would be better off having a 
group of highly qualified experts providing us the information and then we 
could take our positions as a person. I know you are going to say that there 
are too many new laws and we would all be sitting there trying to decide what 
to say or the votes would be poorly based (just like today). I think that by 
bringing most decision to a local level and limit the number of new laws 
(having limited number of experts), would make it work.

Steven at least has said that he does have reservations with some democratic 
ideas. I think you Mark have to ( sorry for assuming but . . ). I cannot 
imagine there is anyone person who would identify his believes with either 
party.

As an example on my ballot locally it gives me expert analysis saying how it 
will impact cost and how it will impact future security, health care or  . . .. 
Even if I am not so well informed about the details I can make up my mind about 
what I think would be better.

In my opinion you are on the same side Mark and Steven. On the easy side:) Or 
go with the flow.




Best Regards ,
Lennart Thornros

 

www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com 

lenn...@thornros.com
+1 916 436 1899

202 Granite Park Court, Lincoln CA 95648

 

“Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to 
excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM

 

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson 
 wrote:

Mark,

 

I'm impressed by your earnestness in wanting to get clarification. I’ll just 
focus on one exchange. What motivated me to go on the offensive, so to speak, 
was the first comment you made, which was:

 

> The NYT article is so blatantly one-sided, but of course, you know that...

> at least, I hope you do.

 

As the old say'in goes: First impressions count.

 

Granted, it may not have been your intention to do so but that was a 
patronizing thing to say to anyone. So what if it’s a one-sided article. So 
what if I posted that “one-side” article out to Vort Land. The world if full of 
one-sided POVs, and inevitably someone’s one-sided POV (or article) is not 
going to align with one’s personal stash of approved POVs. That doesn’t make 
that so-called one-sided POV any less informative.

 

As for the rest, to be honest I’m just no longer motivated enuf to go back and 
explain myself. Based on other comments you made I get the impression much of 
anything else I might say pertaining to the political arena would be 
interpreted as yet another leftist “rant” coming from me. You did call some of 
my prior comments “rants”. But, enuf of interpreting my POVs. Let me put it 
another way… maybe you were more accurate than I was on some of the points you 
were trying to make, and perhaps I 

[Vo]:Ólafsson (Goldwater) LENR Public Talk in the San Francisco Bay Area, Thursday, Oct 22, 10:30 AM - Topics: Muons, Ultra-dense Hydrogen (MFMP)

[Mark Jurich]

Public Announcement

 On Thursday, October 22nd, 2015 (10:30 AM PDT), Sveinn Ólafsson of the Science
Institute,  Physics Department,  University of Iceland will present a  40 minute
seminar/colloquium at SRI International  (SRI, founded as Stanford Research  In-
stitute) in Menlo Park, California entitled, "Ultra-dense Hydrogen and Low Ener-
gy Nuclear Reactions"  (LENR),  representing research he has conducted with Leif
Holmlid  from the University of Gothenburg, Sweden.  The talk will be geared to-
wards a  scientific/technical audience  but Sveinn will make every effort to ad-
dress those that have little or no previous knowledge of Muon/Particle Detection
and Ultra-dense Hydrogen. For about 10 minutes after Sveinn’s presentation, Alan
Goldwater representing the Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project  (MFMP, headed by
Bob Greenyer), will present experimental work/techniques being conducted  on re-
producing/replicating results obtained from  researchers such as Andrea Rossi  &
Alexander Parkhomov. The final  10 minutes of the 1 hour colloquium will be open
to asking questions.

 Although there is no  direct evidence at this time that  Ultra-dense Hydrogen/
Materials are responsible for the  replication attempts being conducted by MFMP,
the project  is closely considering  these possible materials  in their  ongoing
open-ended research,  as a cause of anomalous heat in replicating  those experi-
ments,  amongst other explanations.  So far, there is no conclusive  evidence of
anomalous heat by MFMP.

 Originally,  these talks were  planned to be held  at  IBM's Almaden  Research
Center in San Jose, CA hosted by myself,  but a change in venue has occurred and
Fran Tanzella  at SRI International  has graciously accepted  hosting the  talks
there.

 If you  would like to attend the colloquium,  Fran says the conference room is
available  directly from a parking  lot outside the SRI  fenced area.  Since the
conference room holds ~75 people we don’t think space will be an issue,  however
if you e-mail  me with your name/etc., I will eventually pass on a list of names
of attendees  (responding back to you) to Fran.  An arrival time of around 10 AM
should be appropriate.  Here is a Google Maps link  (870 Laurel St., Menlo Park)
at the entrance to SRI’s Building G parking lot:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/870+Laurel+St,+Menlo+Park,+CA+94025/@37.4552459,-122.176274,18z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x808fa4ad8270a115:0xcff2fac60e770ffe

 Attendees should NOT come to either the front desk (333 Ravenswood Ave) or the
employee entrance.  If there is no parking in the Building G  parking lot, there
usually is some across the street at the Menlo Park city parking lot.

 Here are identical links to the  actual SRI International Announcement  of the
CML Seminar  (Room G-124)  that has been posted locally  (courtesy of Fran & at-
tached to the end of this document in PDF Form):

http://WWW.MagicSound.US/Seminar_-_Olafsson_SRI.pdf

  http://tempid.altervista.org/Seminar_-_Olafsson_SRI.pdf

FYI:

 Sveinn will be presenting his research (which he has collaborated on with Leif
Holmlid),  on October 20th, in a 20 minute talk,  at the American Vacuum Society
Society (AVS) Meeting, San Jose Convention Center, in San Jose,  California.  It
is my understanding that he will also be attending the 2015  Fall Meeting of the
APS Division of Nuclear Physics in Santa Fe, NM from Oct 28th-31st.

 Alan will most  likely discuss  current/future experiments  to be conducted by
MFMP during  later conversations.  The  next planned GlowStick Run  is scheduled
shortly after these talks in Santa Cruz,  and will be broadcast live (as always,
along with data)  on the Internet.  Before this next major experiment, a "shake-
out run"  may be performed live.  Stay tuned to the MFMP  Web Pages for more de-
tails, exactly when!

Mark Jurich  jur...@hotmail.com 20151013

   The latest revisions (if any) of this documant are at (identical links):

   http://WWW.MagicSound.US/SRI_Seminar_Olafsson__Public_Announcement_.pdf

 http://tempid.altervista.org/SRI_Seminar_Olafsson__Public_Announcement_.pdf


Ultra-dense Hydrogen and Low Energy Nuclear Reactions
Sveinn Ólafsson, Science Institute, Physics Department, University of Iceland
   L. Holmlid, University of Gothenburg, Sweden

For over  the last 25 years the science of cold fusion/LENR  has been researched
around the world with a slow pace of progress.  Modest quantities of excess heat
and  signatures of nuclear  transmutation and helium production  have been  con-
firmed in experiments and  theoretical work has resulted in a  flora of possible
theoretical scenarios. [1-2]

Here we present  energy production in  several stages of surface  processes that
result first in the formation of  Rydberg matter of Hydrogen  [3] that can later
condense in a new  ultra-dense Hydrogen phase with 2.3 pm  short bond 

Re: [Vo]:who tries to dominate in LENR? (sketch)

[Lennart Thornros]

Peter I liked your last paragraph and feel a little guilty I have not
provided much input although I promised.
As both you and I learnt over the years - there is nothing new under the
sun.
The article tells in many words what George Washington formulated very
short: (I cannot find the quote so it is my words and his meaning.)
1. To delegate you need to know exactly what you want as a result.
2. You need to communicate that vision to someone you think is able to
produce result in the vision.
3. If that person accept the 'job' then you have to agree on the time frame
and what you want to see as the result (the vision ) at that time.
4. Then you have to give the person you selected all the resources you have
to fulfil the result.
5. Then you have to stay totally away from the 'job'. TOTALLY.
6. Finally you have to take delivery.

Do I think the article is too wordy. Not at all. It has been written books
on the subject and still it is hard for most of us to understand the
message and the consequences.

Here are some:
1. We seldom make our vision CRYSTAL CLEAR. 80% fails for reason described
in the article.
2. In addition we communicate the vision poorly. I know you talk about
glasshouse:) Another 50% goes away.
3. Is the easiest part. Here only 10% goes away.
4. Oh this is hard. Just let someone use all your resources. Most of us try
to keep at least 20% so still have the upper hand. 90% goes away again.
5. This is where almost all fails. We want to help so we interfere. What we
really do is taking the 'job' back. Another 80% goes.
6. Even here we fail but less than most elsewhere - only 20% goes away.
In the end it is mostly Pareto's law but repeated and therefore only 1 in
200 are leadership material.

So Vorts read the article. It is very good and it applies to most things in
life. Incl. of LENR.

Best Regards ,
Lennart Thornros

www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com
lenn...@thornros.com
+1 916 436 1899
202 Granite Park Court, Lincoln CA 95648

“Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment
to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Peter Gluck  wrote:

> See this please:
>
>
> http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2015/10/oct-14-2015-about-lenr-domination.html
>
> : almost no news, papers today, sorry! I am asking for your help.
>
> Peter
>
> --
> Dr. Peter Gluck
> Cluj, Romania
> http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
>

Re: [Vo]:Electron-mediated alpha decay in quasi-stable isotopes

[Axil Axil]

I thought that the energic particles the Holmlid saw are fragments of the
hydrogen nanoparticle that he produced via the catalyst.

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 5:55 PM, Bob Higgins 
wrote:

> Note that Holmlid is reporting particles with ">10 MeV/u", or 10 MeV per
> atomic unit.  This is a measure of velocity.  Holmlid measured particles
> that traversed 0.64 meters in 13 ns.  This corresponds to a velocity of
> 4.9E7 m/c or 0.16c.
>
> This is NOT a measured ENERGY.  If he also measured the energy, then he
> could have solved for the particle mass and would have had a much easier
> time identifying the particle.  IF - you PRESUME that the particle is a
> muon, then the energy of the muon would have been 1.4 MeV.
>
> In Holmlid's papers, I don't see where the measured
> beta-decay-causing-particles he measured in his scintillator (that he
> concluded were muons), were correlated to the particles that he measured as
> having a transit time of 13ns.  I think Holmlid's LEAP was that the
> particles measured in his muon detection setup were the same as the
> particles he measured with the 13ns transit delay.  He admitted that there
> were lots of particles and he tried experimentally to sort them out.
> Suppose there were just a few muons...
>
> What if, instead, the particles detected in his scintillator were
> particles uncorrelated to the 13ns transit, for example, low velocity
> (thermal) neutrons.  These could also produce a beta signature in his
> scintillator, but the velocity would not correlate to the measured 13ns
> particles.
>
> Bob Higgins
>
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Eric Walker 
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 9:23 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>>
>> http://www.google.com/patents/US3977191
>>>
>>> The AIROPS engine is a noble gas engine like the Papp engine.
>>>
>>
>> I noticed that Robert Gordon Britt, the author of the patent, did not
>> refer to Papp's patents as prior art.  I was unable to determine where the
>> energy for the electrical arc was coming from; I assume he's just plugging
>> the engine into an external power source, and that any locomotive power-out
>> will be less than or equal to the electrical power-in of the external
>> source.
>>
>> At a minimum, assuming Britt's patent was for a working device, it shows
>> that the basic idea of an engine that uses noble gases is sound, if we were
>> in doubt that Papp's engine was a real engine.
>>
>> This uses UV to produce plasma expansion just like Holmlid does.
>>>
>>
>> Note that Holmlid is seeing a current of 1e13 particles per laser shot,
>> with peaks at ~ 4, 10 and 14 MeV [1].  That has "nuclear reaction" of some
>> written kind all over it, in addition to the question of what is going on
>> with the UV.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>> [1] http://arxiv.org/pdf/1302.2781.pdf
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Electron-mediated alpha decay in quasi-stable isotopes

[Bob Higgins]

Note that Holmlid is reporting particles with ">10 MeV/u", or 10 MeV per
atomic unit.  This is a measure of velocity.  Holmlid measured particles
that traversed 0.64 meters in 13 ns.  This corresponds to a velocity of
4.9E7 m/c or 0.16c.

This is NOT a measured ENERGY.  If he also measured the energy, then he
could have solved for the particle mass and would have had a much easier
time identifying the particle.  IF - you PRESUME that the particle is a
muon, then the energy of the muon would have been 1.4 MeV.

In Holmlid's papers, I don't see where the measured
beta-decay-causing-particles he measured in his scintillator (that he
concluded were muons), were correlated to the particles that he measured as
having a transit time of 13ns.  I think Holmlid's LEAP was that the
particles measured in his muon detection setup were the same as the
particles he measured with the 13ns transit delay.  He admitted that there
were lots of particles and he tried experimentally to sort them out.
Suppose there were just a few muons...

What if, instead, the particles detected in his scintillator were particles
uncorrelated to the 13ns transit, for example, low velocity (thermal)
neutrons.  These could also produce a beta signature in his scintillator,
but the velocity would not correlate to the measured 13ns particles.

Bob Higgins

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Eric Walker  wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 9:23 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>
> http://www.google.com/patents/US3977191
>>
>> The AIROPS engine is a noble gas engine like the Papp engine.
>>
>
> I noticed that Robert Gordon Britt, the author of the patent, did not
> refer to Papp's patents as prior art.  I was unable to determine where the
> energy for the electrical arc was coming from; I assume he's just plugging
> the engine into an external power source, and that any locomotive power-out
> will be less than or equal to the electrical power-in of the external
> source.
>
> At a minimum, assuming Britt's patent was for a working device, it shows
> that the basic idea of an engine that uses noble gases is sound, if we were
> in doubt that Papp's engine was a real engine.
>
> This uses UV to produce plasma expansion just like Holmlid does.
>>
>
> Note that Holmlid is seeing a current of 1e13 particles per laser shot,
> with peaks at ~ 4, 10 and 14 MeV [1].  That has "nuclear reaction" of some
> written kind all over it, in addition to the question of what is going on
> with the UV.
>
> Eric
>
>
> [1] http://arxiv.org/pdf/1302.2781.pdf
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Electron-mediated alpha decay in quasi-stable isotopes

[Eric Walker]

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Bob Higgins 
wrote:

This is NOT a measured ENERGY.  If he also measured the energy, then he
> could have solved for the particle mass and would have had a much easier
> time identifying the particle.  IF - you PRESUME that the particle is a
> muon, then the energy of the muon would have been 1.4 MeV.
>

I didn't read that carefully.  Thank you for the clarification.  My
assumption is that they are definitely not muons. ;)  (Note that there are
1e13 of these things per laser pulse, whatever they are -- quite a few.)

Needless to say, if the particles end up being resolved to baryons, we're
dealing with energies that correspond to nuclear reactions.  Another
possibility, of course, is a bad experimental procedure that is not
revealing a piece of equipment that is on the fritz.

Eric

Re: [Vo]:Bill Gates, "We need an energy miracle"

[Axil Axil]

He always checks out the competition before he invests. He will invest in
the cigar reactor along with his buddies.

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 7:39 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> See:
>
>
> http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/11/we-need-an-energy-miracle/407881/
>
> Not a word about his visit with Violante et al.! That is a shame. One word
> from him would ignite this field.
>
> - Jed
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Electron-mediated alpha decay in quasi-stable isotopes

[Eric Walker]

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Bob Higgins 
wrote:

This is NOT a measured ENERGY.  If he also measured the energy, then he
> could have solved for the particle mass and would have had a much easier
> time identifying the particle.  IF - you PRESUME that the particle is a
> muon, then the energy of the muon would have been 1.4 MeV.
>

I see now.  He's using time-of-flight spectrometry, something I have little
familiarity with.  He's saying that there are particles with flight times
of 12-100 ns, and this is consistent with particles with energies of 2-14
MeV u-1, etc.

It seems like his difficulties could be resolved if he used a second
measurement technique.

Eric

Re: [Vo]:Electron-mediated alpha decay in quasi-stable isotopes

[Axil Axil]

When nanoparticles that are comprised of a thausand atoms explode due to
coulomb explosion, they produce 1.5 MeV. Look it up...

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 7:15 PM, Eric Walker  wrote:

> I wrote:
>
> Needless to say, if the particles end up being resolved to baryons, we're
>> dealing with energies that correspond to nuclear reactions.
>>
>
> I take that back -- your point was that they're normalized masses and not
> particle energies.  Point grasped now. :)  (I'm a little slow today.)
>
> Eric
>
>

[Vo]:Bill Gates, "We need an energy miracle"

[Jed Rothwell]

See:

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/11/we-need-an-energy-miracle/407881/

Not a word about his visit with Violante et al.! That is a shame. One word
from him would ignite this field.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Electron-mediated alpha decay in quasi-stable isotopes

[Axil Axil]

Holmlid said:

"Previous results from laser-induced processes in ultra-dense deuterium
D(0) give conclusive evidence for ejection of neutral massive particles
with energy >10 MeV u−1. Such particles can only be formed from nuclear
processes like nuclear fusion at the low laser intensity used."

Holmlid is making and assumption based on the very high energy of the
neutral particles. These particles are fragments of the Rydberg matter. It
is not determined where the energy imparted to those particles came from.
Holmlid just assumes that a low powered laser cannot produce the explosion
of a rydberg crystals. You know what happens when people assume things.

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 9:19 PM, Eric Walker  wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>
> When nanoparticles that are comprised of a thausand atoms explode due to
>> coulomb explosion, they produce 1.5 MeV. Look it up...
>>
>
> I wasn't aware that "Coulomb explosions" were a thing -- thank you for
> pointing this out.
>
> If you're referring to the mainstream literature, I think the 1.5 MeV
> particles would be in the high-energy Boltzmann tail.  If you're referring
> to p. 8 of Holmlid's paper [1], there are the open questions that Bob has
> alluded to.  If those signals are resolved to protons and deuterons, as
> Holmlid points to, then their energies are consistent with nuclear
> reactions (also as Holmlid suggests), and they are part of a total current
> of 1e13 particles.
>
> Eric
>
>
> [1] http://arxiv.org/pdf/1302.2781.pdf
>
>

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC The enigmatic wisdom of Deepak Chopra

[Rich Murray]

This random one, I liked...,

 "Awareness grows through subtle joy."

and here's my koan haiku,

"An ancient mind.
Rich jumps in.
Plop!"

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson <
orionwo...@charter.net> wrote:

> Jed sez:
>
>
>
> > Some say artificial intelligence is not yet a thing. Maybe so,
>
> > but we now have artificial wisdom. Get your random fictional
>
> > Deepak Chapra quote here:
>
> >
>
> > http://www.wisdomofchopra.com/
>
>
>
> Hah! Let me do one better. A little haiku ditty straight out of my own
> randomized wetware:
>
>
>
> *The long journey to find yourself is futile.*
>
> *One cannot find that which is never lost.*
>
>
>
> While many will consider such "wisdom" as nothing more than circuitous
> nonsensical gibberish, a few may still appreciate it.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Steven Vincent Johnson
>
> OrionWorks.com
>
> zazzle.com/orionworks
>

Re: [Vo]:Electron-mediated alpha decay in quasi-stable isotopes

[Eric Walker]

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:

When nanoparticles that are comprised of a thausand atoms explode due to
> coulomb explosion, they produce 1.5 MeV. Look it up...
>

I wasn't aware that "Coulomb explosions" were a thing -- thank you for
pointing this out.

If you're referring to the mainstream literature, I think the 1.5 MeV
particles would be in the high-energy Boltzmann tail.  If you're referring
to p. 8 of Holmlid's paper [1], there are the open questions that Bob has
alluded to.  If those signals are resolved to protons and deuterons, as
Holmlid points to, then their energies are consistent with nuclear
reactions (also as Holmlid suggests), and they are part of a total current
of 1e13 particles.

Eric


[1] http://arxiv.org/pdf/1302.2781.pdf

Re: [Vo]:Electron-mediated alpha decay in quasi-stable isotopes

[Eric Walker]

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 9:23 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:

http://www.google.com/patents/US3977191
>
> The AIROPS engine is a noble gas engine like the Papp engine.
>

I noticed that Robert Gordon Britt, the author of the patent, did not refer
to Papp's patents as prior art.  I was unable to determine where the energy
for the electrical arc was coming from; I assume he's just plugging the
engine into an external power source, and that any locomotive power-out
will be less than or equal to the electrical power-in of the external
source.

At a minimum, assuming Britt's patent was for a working device, it shows
that the basic idea of an engine that uses noble gases is sound, if we were
in doubt that Papp's engine was a real engine.

This uses UV to produce plasma expansion just like Holmlid does.
>

Note that Holmlid is seeing a current of 1e13 particles per laser shot,
with peaks at ~ 4, 10 and 14 MeV [1].  That has "nuclear reaction" of some
written kind all over it, in addition to the question of what is going on
with the UV.

Eric


[1] http://arxiv.org/pdf/1302.2781.pdf

Re: [Vo]:New research describes newly-identified electron spin-coupling with angular electromagnetic moments

[robert lindsay]

available on research gate
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/281685821_Relativistic_interaction_Hamiltonian_coupling_the_angular_momentum_of_light_and_the_electron_spin?enrichId=rgreq-456fa5a9-d2b5-4b90-9c00-5bb2d63f520b=Y292ZXJQYWdlOzI4MTY4NTgyMTtBUzoyNzI5MTE4MTQ2MjMyMzZAMTQ0MjA3ODY1NTUzNw%3D%3D=1_x_2

On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 12:02 PM, Robert Ellefson 
wrote:

>
>
> Dear Vorticians,
>
>
>
> I just came across this reference to some new research showing
> previously-undescribed electron spin-coupling modes that I thought folks
> here might find interesting.  I don’t have access to the full article yet,
> but I did find some related work by the first author.
>
>
>
> Newest paper:
> http://phys.org/news/2015-10-physicists-electromagnetic-interaction-dirac-equation.html
>
> Previous work: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1504.07915.pdf
>
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
> -Bob
>
>
>



-- 


*profile
available for
innovation*

Re: [Vo]:The function of the substrate

[Eric Walker]

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:

Without the lattice that receives and directs the EMF into the nanopowder,
> a powerful light source such as a laser will be powerful enough to produce
> LENR in just nanopowder alone.
> This particular behavior was observed in experiments where a laser
> irradiated gold nanopowder dissolved in water. The uranium and thorium
> salts that was dissolved in that water underwent a fission reaction. This
> says that muons where produced to canalize fission instead of neutrons.
>

Here I think you're referring to this study [1], which you've referred to
several times in the past [e.g., 2] (please correct me if I have the wrong
study).  I didn't appreciate this paper until now.  The authors present an
interesting set of experimental results, in which, at face value, the decay
of thorium and its daughters was induced.  They think it might have
occurred through focusing of the laser that was used.

Another possibility is that it was induced by electron screening decreasing
the Coulomb barrier width to alpha decay, and by increased electron
presence in the nucleus, thereby increasing the electron capture and beta
decay rates.  Here are some relevant reactions of these kinds:

% python scripts/reactions.py "Hg,Ta,Au,Th" --ascii --model induced-decay
e- + 227Th => e- + 4He + 223Ra + 6147 keV   ->A, A, trace
e- + 228Th => e- + 4He + 224Ra + 5520 keV   ->A, A, trace
e- + 229Th => e- + 4He + 225Ra + 5168 keV   ->B-, A, trace
e- + 230Th => e- + 4He + 226Ra + 4770 keV   ->A, A, trace
e- + 231Th => e- + 4He + 227Ra + 4213 keV   ->B-, A
e- + 232Th => e- + 4He + 228Ra + 4082 keV   ->B-, A, trace
e- + 234Th => e- + 4He + 230Ra + 3673 keV   ->B-, A
e- + 180Ta => e- + 4He + 176Lu + 2098 keV   ->B-, A, in nature
e- + 196Hg => e- + 4He + 192Pt + 2040 keV   A, in nature
e- + 181Ta => e- + 4He + 177Lu + 1519 keV   ->B-, A
e- + 198Hg => e- + 4He + 194Pt + 1383 keV   A, in nature
e- + 197Au => e- + 4He + 193Ir + 972 keVA, in nature
e- + 180Ta => e- + neutrino + 180Hf + 921 keV
e- + 199Hg => e- + 4He + 195Pt + 825 keVA, in nature
e- + 180Ta => e- + neutrino + 180W + 778 keV->A
e- + 200Hg => e- + 4He + 196Pt + 718 keVA, in nature
e- + 231Th => e- + neutrino + 231Pa + 391 keV   ->A
e- + 201Hg => e- + 4He + 197Pt + 334 keV->B-, A
e- + 234Th => e- + neutrino + 234Pa + 274 keV   ->B-, ->SF, trace
e- + 202Hg => e- + 4He + 198Pt + 135 keVA, in nature


Note the presence of gold among the parents.

They saw increased gamma activity.  Perhaps this activity went back to the
daughters of beta decay reactions being populated in excited states.  They
saw a hydrogen isotope effect, where irradiation under D2O resulted in
decreased gamma activity while H2O did not.  I have no idea what this would
come from.  (Note that this is different than saying that fewer decays took
place; perhaps more were to the ground state when D2O was used.)

What would cause increased electron presence in the nucleus?  Perhaps the
excitation of orbital electrons to s-shells by the laser frequency.
Electrons in s-shells don't have a node in the nucleus and hence spend a
portion of their time there.

Eric



[1] http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0906/0906.4268.pdf
[2] https://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg104837.html

RE: [Vo]:MMDD .... Muon Mediated Deuteron Disintegration

[Jones Beene]

From: Stephen Cooke 

*   Could there be characteristic photon emission from transitions in
muon shell levels similar to those from electrons and at what frequencies
these occur. Could these be observed experimentally? If characteristic
radiation can be seen from muon energy level transitions then it could be
interesting to see if radiation of these frequencies occur astronomically. 

A fraction of typical Cherenkov radiation in fission reactor spent fuel
pools comes from muons. Someone out there probably knows the exact
signature frequency of light originating from muons in that situation, both
the initiating frequency and the downshifted, but I do not. This signal is
detected astronomically as well. There are Cherenkov detectors made
specifically for atmospheric detection.

And yes - this signature could probably be used as further evidence of muons
- by replicators of Holmlid - most of whom do not have access to muon
detectors. Although observed to be blue, most Cherenkov radiation is
actually in the ultraviolet spectrum, downshifted to visible blue by the
water interaction.

It would be interesting to position a "glow tube" experiment in a water bath
and try to isolate the characteristic signal of muons using filters and
spectrometers, but the signal could be overwhelmed by the intensity of IR.

Re: [Vo]:Electron-mediated alpha decay in quasi-stable isotopes

[Eric Walker]

I wrote:

Needless to say, if the particles end up being resolved to baryons, we're
> dealing with energies that correspond to nuclear reactions.
>

I take that back -- your point was that they're normalized masses and not
particle energies.  Point grasped now. :)  (I'm a little slow today.)

Eric

[Vo]:KIC 8462852

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Cool stuff!

https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant=1=2=UTF-8#q=KIC+8462852=nws

RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC The enigmatic wisdom of Deepak Chopra

[Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson]

Jed sez:

 

> Some say artificial intelligence is not yet a thing. Maybe so,

> but we now have artificial wisdom. Get your random fictional

> Deepak Chapra quote here:

> 

> http://www.wisdomofchopra.com/

 

Hah! Let me do one better. A little haiku ditty straight out of my own 
randomized wetware:

 

The long journey to find yourself is futile.

One cannot find that which is never lost.

 

While many will consider such "wisdom" as nothing more than circuitous 
nonsensical gibberish, a few may still appreciate it.

 

Regards,

Steven Vincent Johnson

OrionWorks.com

zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:Electron-mediated alpha decay in quasi-stable isotopes

[Axil Axil]

I looked it up for you.

http://www.tau.ac.il/~jortner/Publications/Pub601-/630.pdf



On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 7:32 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> When nanoparticles that are comprised of a thausand atoms explode due to
> coulomb explosion, they produce 1.5 MeV. Look it up...
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 7:15 PM, Eric Walker 
> wrote:
>
>> I wrote:
>>
>> Needless to say, if the particles end up being resolved to baryons, we're
>>> dealing with energies that correspond to nuclear reactions.
>>>
>>
>> I take that back -- your point was that they're normalized masses and not
>> particle energies.  Point grasped now. :)  (I'm a little slow today.)
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>