date:20151110

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 3:40 AM, jjam...@gmail.com  wrote:
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> worth to check the presence of ionizing particles at this short moment.
> Could be an affordable instrument for that?

Photographic film.  If you can find such.  :-)

RE: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy hosts information session at U.S. Capital

This announcement could be much bigger than anything Rossi has done, since 
McKubre/SRI is independent, well-respected, and usually is more circumspect 
about operating results than this. 

 

However, the Ni-H device sounds similar enough to the HotCat that we can 
probably expect patent litigation at some point. 

 

From: Jed Rothwell 

 

Two things about this are significant. First, they got into the Capital. 
Second, McKubre endorsed their results.

 

I would like to see McKubre's report.

 

See:

 

 
http://coldfusionnow.org/brillouin-energy-corp-hosts-information-session-on-lenr-thermal-energy-technology-at-u-s-capitol/


Quote:

Brillouin Energy Corp. presented its groundbreaking thermal energy technology 
on Capitol Hill last week. Attendees included Members of Congress, 
congressional aides, federal government officials, industry representatives, 
and citizens’ groups concerned with the federal government’s progress on 
developing clean energy solutions.

“It was great to see that much interest in DC for a true safe green nuclear 
power technology,” commented Brillouin’s President and Chief Technology 
Officer, Robert Godes.

Attendees were able to learn about Brillouin’s prototype LENR reactors and hear 
from a number of speakers, including Dr. Michael McKubre of Stanford Research 
International (SRI). Brillouin and SRI have entered into a technology research 
agreement under which SRI is engaged in calibration testing and independent 
analysis of the Brillouin technology.

As Dr. McKubre noted in a report distributed at the event, “it is very clear 
that something on the order of four times (4x) and potentially more gain in 
power (and therefore ultimately energy) was achieved at an impressive and 
industrially significant operating temperature of around 640°C. To my knowledge 
this had not been achieved before in the LENR field. The fact that the Q pulse 
input is capable of triggering the excess power on and off is also highly 
significant.” . . .

 

(continues)

RE: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy hosts information session at U.S. Capital

However, unless Godes is using LAH catalyst – what can Rossi really challenge?

 

Here is Godes patent which relates to a generic pulsing circuit

http://www.google.com/patents/US8624636

 

Not much to challenge there, and Thermacore has the basic Ni-H covered 
(expired) and Mills has the alkali catalysts covered. I suspect Mills/BLP has 
the strongest patent position (and the most liquidity).

 

From: Eric Walker 

 

However, the Ni-H device sounds similar enough to the HotCat that we can 
probably expect patent litigation at some point.


Given the so-far succesful challenge on the part of Rossi's legal team of one 
of Piantelli's patents, this seems likely.

 

Eric

Re: [Vo]:The Future Of Solar

Hi Chris,
No, I do not think it is conspiracy.
I live in California and I have solar.
PGnE is my provider. A few years ago they should have been bankrupt. Just
like GM they were to big to be allowed to fail. *Here is the real problem.*
Now the state interfered in the free market. Not for the protection of the
people in California. No, for protection of status quo. They have a 'green'
rule that punish the consumer for using electrical energy. The price goes
quickly from 13 cent to 40 cent a kWh. The 'penalty' charges goes to PgnE,
Edison and San Diego Gas & electric. If it was a penalty the surplus
charges should of course go to the people of California. No, they are there
to support the too big to fail PGnE.
When there is no barrier between the BIG state (read PUC of CA) and the BIG
industry there will be no changes allowed. The motto in all large
organization if you want to survive is :"Sit still do not rock the boat".
Yes, I have said it before; the establishment will stop (or seriously
delay) and tax a LENR deployment. That will be in favor of PGnE and all the
other big energy companies (read oil companies - do you think they are
small enough to be allowed to fail?).
The electrical grid is there.
It is a very poor system that cost several times the cost of generating
electricity. Local production has been stopped for years mostly using
environmental groups with no interest outside there own very narrow
viewpoint. Thus the need for the grid has been kept. Now many new
generators seems to make this grid obsolete. That is a threat against the
established grid providers. They are BIG so the society needs to save them.
To me it is a mystery that we charge a penalty for using electricity and a
private supplier of electric energy will benefit.
No, I have no affiliation with any party. I dislike them both as they are
too BIG. One of the parties says it want smaller government - in reality
that is not the case. They want to increase the government in one sector so
they can allow a decrease somewhere it does not hurt their sphere.
How about a tax on all organizations based on size. It is reasonable that
larger organization (which takes more of society's resources) should pay
more progressively.
Unfortunately LENR will not succeed as it deserves if we do not change our
'old boys network'.
New technology requires new networks. I think they should be small and
local.

Best Regards ,
Lennart Thornros

lenn...@thornros.com
+1 916 436 1899

Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and
enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM)

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Re: [Vo]:The Future Of Solar

2015-11-10 Thread Aldo Maggi

Usa are not the centre of the World, if China and Russia start utilizing
Lenr, Usa can only follow through!

Il 10/11/2015 17:46, Lennart Thornros ha scritto:

Hi Chris,
No, I do not think it is conspiracy.
I live in California and I have solar.
PGnE is my provider. A few years ago they should have been bankrupt.
Just like GM they were to big to be allowed to fail. *Here is the real
problem.*
Now the state interfered in the free market. Not for the protection of
the people in California. No, for protection of status quo. They have
a 'green' rule that punish the consumer for using electrical energy.
The price goes quickly from 13 cent to 40 cent a kWh. The 'penalty'
charges goes to PgnE, Edison and San Diego Gas & electric. If it was a
penalty the surplus charges should of course go to the people of
California. No, they are there to support the too big to fail PGnE.
When there is no barrier between the BIG state (read PUC of CA) and
the BIG industry there will be no changes allowed. The motto in all
large organization if you want to survive is :"Sit still do not rock
the boat".
Yes, I have said it before; the establishment will stop (or seriously
delay) and tax a LENR deployment. That will be in favor of PGnE and
all the other big energy companies (read oil companies - do you think
they are small enough to be allowed to fail?).

The electrical grid is there.
It is a very poor system that cost several times the cost of
generating electricity. Local production has been stopped for years
mostly using environmental groups with no interest outside there own
very narrow viewpoint. Thus the need for the grid has been kept. Now
many new generators seems to make this grid obsolete. That is a threat
against the established grid providers. They are BIG so the society
needs to save them.
To me it is a mystery that we charge a penalty for using electricity
and a private supplier of electric energy will benefit.
No, I have no affiliation with any party. I dislike them both as they
are too BIG. One of the parties says it want smaller government - in
reality that is not the case. They want to increase the government in
one sector so they can allow a decrease somewhere it does not hurt
their sphere.
How about a tax on all organizations based on size. It is reasonable
that larger organization (which takes more of society's resources)
should pay more progressively.
Unfortunately LENR will not succeed as it deserves if we do not change
our 'old boys network'.
New technology requires new networks. I think they should be small and
local.

Best Regards ,
Lennart Thornros

lenn...@thornros.com
+1 916 436 1899

Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and
enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM)

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 6:25 AM, Chris Zell > wrote:

http://www.blacklistednews.com/Giant_Utilities_Try_to_Kill_Solar_Power/47222/0/38/38/Y/M.html

Remember, conspiracies don’t exist…..

[Vo]:Brillouin's Day, Genuine LENR to be invented

2015-11-10 Thread Peter Gluck

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2015/11/10-nov-2015-brillouin-s-day-genuine.html

Best,
Peter

-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

RE: [Vo]:The Future Of Solar

2015-11-10 Thread Chris Zell

I am eagerly watching the decline of the US Empire and hoping that it’s end 
will finally break the logjam of technological stagnation that plagues the 
world.

Remember when President Crater was putting up solar panels about 40 years ago?  
Do we have (hot) fusion now? Nope. How about a cure for cancer? Free energy? 
Cures for MS/ALS or diabetes or AIDS? Do our cars still mostly run on gasoline? 
Flying cars? Have we put men on Mars or back to the moon?

I can go on… yes, we have the internet and neat phones but the fundamentals 
have barely budged at all. And then there’s the economy!

Obstructive political parties and ‘old boys networks’ ARE conspiracies.

Re: [Vo]:The Future Of Solar

Hello Aldo,
I agree with that.
The issue is rather who will benefit? It differs between the countries you
say - but just on the surface.
Personally I think it is a question of changing the way we think that
everything "bigger is better". I think that is a US say, btw.
Instead small and flexible is beautiful. There is a say among pilots;
"Beautiful airplanes fly well". I think we need small beautiful operations.
I am sure that this is nothing specific for the US. As I recall Russia
(long time ago) it is even more centralized than other countries. China is
the epidemi of centralization. Both Europe and USA can change their
attitude and become way superior to other nations. Perhaps more adequate
keep its position as leading the civilisation.

Best Regards ,
Lennart Thornros


lenn...@thornros.com
+1 916 436 1899

Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and
enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM)


On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 9:08 AM, Aldo Maggi  wrote:

> Usa are not the centre of the World, if China and Russia start utilizing
> Lenr, Usa can only follow through!
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> Il 10/11/2015 17:46, Lennart Thornros ha scritto:
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> Hi Chris,
> No, I do not think it is conspiracy.
> I live in California and I have solar.
> PGnE is my provider. A few years ago they should have been bankrupt. Just
> like GM they were to big to be allowed to fail. *Here is the real
> problem.*
> Now the state interfered in the free market. Not for the protection of the
> people in California. No, for protection of status quo. They have a 'green'
> rule that punish the consumer for using electrical energy. The price goes
> quickly from 13 cent to 40 cent a kWh. The 'penalty' charges goes to PgnE,
> Edison and San Diego Gas & electric. If it was a penalty the surplus
> charges should of course go to the people of California. No, they are there
> to support the too big to fail PGnE.
> When there is no barrier between the BIG state (read PUC of CA) and the
> BIG industry there will be no changes allowed. The motto in all large
> organization if you want to survive is :"Sit still do not rock the boat".
> Yes, I have said it before; the establishment will stop (or seriously
> delay) and tax a LENR deployment. That will be in favor of PGnE and all the
> other big energy companies (read oil companies - do you think they are
> small enough to be allowed to fail?).
> The electrical grid is there.
> It is a very poor system that cost several times the cost of generating
> electricity. Local production has been stopped for years mostly using
> environmental groups with no interest outside there own very narrow
> viewpoint. Thus the need for the grid has been kept. Now many new
> generators seems to make this grid obsolete. That is a threat against the
> established grid providers. They are BIG so the society needs to save them.
> To me it is a mystery that we charge a penalty for using electricity and a
> private supplier of electric energy will benefit.
> No, I have no affiliation with any party. I dislike them both as they are
> too BIG. One of the parties says it want smaller government - in reality
> that is not the case. They want to increase the government in one sector so
> they can allow a decrease somewhere it does not hurt their sphere.
> How about a tax on all organizations based on size. It is reasonable that
> larger organization (which takes more of society's resources) should pay
> more progressively.
> Unfortunately LENR will not succeed as it deserves if we do not change our
> 'old boys network'.
> New technology requires new networks. I think they should be small and
> local.
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> Best Regards ,
> Lennart Thornros
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> +1 916 436 1899
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> Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and
> enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM)
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Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy hosts information session at U.S. Capital

2015-11-10 Thread Jack Cole

Jones,

I agree that this could be bigger than anything Rossi has done.  Sadly, we
still don't have a test from the Rossi camp (or replicators) that can even
convince many supporters of a COP much over 1.5, let alone skeptics.  Godes
has always asserted that he thinks Rossi has something, but Rossi doesn't
know how to control it.

McKubre seems convinced based on his statement made in the paper.  That
goes a long way in my book--although not as far as a published scientific
paper by McKubre.

Unfortunately for the open science community, Godes method is complicated
(just try generating a 200V pulse for 60 ns at 1-3 amps @100khz laterally
through a cathode while simultaneously running DC electrolysis with the
same electrode of nickel AND measure it all).  I'm uncertain how he is
doing it in the gas system, but would guess it's not trivial.

Jack

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 9:03 AM Jones Beene  wrote:

> This announcement could be much bigger than anything Rossi has done, since
> McKubre/SRI is independent, well-respected, and usually is more circumspect
> about operating results than this.
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> However, the Ni-H device sounds similar enough to the HotCat that we can
> probably expect patent litigation at some point.
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> *From:* Jed Rothwell
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> Two things about this are significant. First, they got into the Capital.
> Second, McKubre endorsed their results.
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> Brillouin Energy Corp. presented its groundbreaking thermal energy
> technology on Capitol Hill last week. Attendees included Members of
> Congress, congressional aides, federal government officials, industry
> representatives, and citizens’ groups concerned with the federal
> government’s progress on developing clean energy solutions.
>
> “It was great to see that much interest in DC for a true safe green
> nuclear power technology,” commented Brillouin’s President and Chief
> Technology Officer, Robert Godes.
>
> Attendees were able to learn about Brillouin’s prototype LENR reactors and
> hear from a number of speakers, including Dr. Michael McKubre of Stanford
> Research International (SRI). Brillouin and SRI have entered into a
> technology research agreement under which SRI is engaged in calibration
> testing and independent analysis of the Brillouin technology.
>
> As Dr. McKubre noted in a report distributed at the event, “it is very
> clear that something on the order of four times (4x) and potentially more
> gain in power (and therefore ultimately energy) was achieved at an
> impressive and industrially significant operating temperature of around
> 640°C. To my knowledge this had not been achieved before in the LENR field.
> The fact that the Q pulse input is capable of triggering the excess power
> on and off is also highly significant.” . . .
>
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Re: [Vo]:The Future Of Solar

Hello Chris,
I guess you and I have different ideas about what is good.
How can something negative be positive.
Personally I am sorry for the US decline, which I acknowledge.
I think that it is negative to people everywhere.
The reason we see this decline is the inability to change with the times.
US is a very conservative nation and changes are very hard to implement.
I am a Swede from the beginning so I can see the differences.
Your definition of a conspiracy is not mine. I think there is no conscious
ambition to prevent development - I think it is the scare of something new.
I think we all would be much better of if the US could make the changes so
apparently needed (as I see it).
I am amazed over your wants to see others decline. What good is that? That
way of thinking is only applicable if you think life is some kind of zero
sum game.
To me that was very negative. Just cannot get my arms around that someone
can think like that.

Best Regards ,
Lennart Thornros

lenn...@thornros.com
+1 916 436 1899

Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and
enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM)

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 9:32 AM, Chris Zell  wrote:

> I am eagerly watching the decline of the US Empire and hoping that it’s
> end will finally break the logjam of technological stagnation that plagues
> the world.
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> Remember when President Crater was putting up solar panels about 40 years
> ago?  Do we have (hot) fusion now? Nope. How about a cure for cancer? Free
> energy? Cures for MS/ALS or diabetes or AIDS? Do our cars still mostly run
> on gasoline? Flying cars? Have we put men on Mars or back to the moon?
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> fundamentals have barely budged at all. And then there’s the economy!
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Re: [Vo]:The Future Of Solar

2015-11-10 Thread Jed Rothwell

Chris Zell  wrote:

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The power companies have been trying to strangle solar power for years with
various machinations. They are in a tizzy in Hawaii now. Hawaii has the
most expensive electricity. 12% of the houses have solar power. The power
company will go bankrupt if this keeps up.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/19/business/energy-environment/solar-power-battle-puts-hawaii-at-forefront-of-worldwide-changes.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/16/hawaii-solar-industry_n_4452177.html

Along the same lines, the coal companies have been trying to strangle wind
energy. Years ago, their bought-and-paid-for congressman from West Virginia
introduced a bill to outlaw the use of wind power in the United States,
ostensibly because it kills birds. There was no chance that would pass but
it was his way of saying he'll do anything his paymasters ask, no matter
how absurd.

The smoke and steam from coal-fired plants kills many orders of magnitude
more birds than wind turbines do.

The coal industry also runs various front organizations such as the
Greening Earth Society which lobby in favor of global warming. I kid you
not. I think the Greening Earth Society is defunct but it has been replaced
with something else.

- Jed

RE: [Vo]:The Future Of Solar

2015-11-10 Thread Chris Zell

“Positive” viewpoints can be harmful if you’re being cheated or conned and 
that’s mostly what’s happening across the world. The conservative forces that 
you won’t call a conspiracy tend to make our world into a zero-sum game.  I 
don’t know what it will take to break this situation apart but I think that 
ending the role of the US as global policeman is a good start.

Example: Libya may have had the highest standard of living in Africa.  Although 
Khaddafi had many faults, he did share much of the oil wealth with his nation. 
Out of hate and ego ( Hillary Clinton), they bombed Libya and thereby put 
violent jihadists in power. After that, Europe must contend with many Libyan 
refugees fleeing their broken nation.  There is also Iraq and Vietnam to 
consider.  And the recent exposure of the US ‘pulling its punches” on ISIS.

If you want to understand the news, understand that the US MUST portray Russia 
as a danger – in order to sell expensive weapons such as the F-35 ( which isn’t 
relevant to shooting at jihadists).  Much the same goes for China because these 
‘advanced 21st century” weapons have little to do with fighting Islamic 
insurgencies.  Whistleblowers have asserted that NSA spying is often directed 
at foreign business interests that would disrupt US companies.

[Vo]:off topic, making apps progress report

2015-11-10 Thread Frank Znidarsic

I am going to do apps that interface with midi upon the release of Android M.
My first app is running but I still need to work on it a bit.  It was a to get 
the tablet to
accept data from the midi keyboard.  I playing the keyboard here in the movie.
More non-musical apps that interface with MIDI controllers to follow.



  Short movie linked below. 



http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/midi.mov




Frank Znidarsic

RE: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy hosts information session at U.S. Capital

The most interesting thing to me on the coldfusionnow page - announcing the
shameless Brillouin Capitol Hill supplication …

http://coldfusionnow.org/brillouin-energy-corp-hosts-information-session-on-lenr-thermal-energy-technology-at-u-s-capitol/

…was not the data-free PR event itself – but a side-bar review of Ruby’s
interview with Stan Szpak et al and the part about the magnetic field. Brian
Ahern noticed this detail but almost everyone else has failed to see its
importance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxBJjWzlKl0

When viewed in the context of the recent dense hydrogen disclosures, it is a
bit of an eye opener – particularly the part (12:55) about the light water,
palladium and magnetic field runs where 3 out of 10 actually went into total
meltdown Look at the size of those magnets and the complete melting of the
electrodes. This result has SPP and dense hydrogen buildup, written all over
it. Since few were aware of SPP back then, this has not come up before.

When viewed in the context of papers such as “Local control of the excitation
of surface plasmon polaritons by near-field magneto-optical Kerr effect” or
Magnetic field modulation of intense surface plasmon polaritons”, plus the 4
day buildup of active hydrogen (when co-dep is usually faster) – and the use of
lithium chloride instead of lithium hydroxide (Chlorine is extremely
photoactive), then … taking it all together, there is a decent case for SPP
formation leading to dense hydrogen, leading to nucleon disintegration. All of
this is happening after 100 hours of buildup of dense hydrogen.

No mention was made of radioactive debris and I’m assuming there was little.
Nucleon disintegration of the Holmlid variety apparently results in mostly
muons which generally decay rapidly to neutrinos and electrons, most of which
escape the system with little radiation signature.

This begs for replication using an intense light source, although Holmlid says
that regular lab lighting is sufficient. The dense hydrogen buildup should
happen in less time with a monochromatic light source and with a changing
magnetic field.

[Vo]:YAAOCF (Yet Another Article On Cold Fusion)

2015-11-10 Thread Mark Jurich


http://fcnp.com/2015/11/10/the-peak-oil-crisis-the-next-keystone-debate/

Re: [Vo]:The Future Of Solar

Hi again Chris.
No, being an optimist seeing the possibilities (instead of all the
conspiracies) is the first step to correct anything wrong or ill. Almost
nothing but the game Monopoly is a zero sum game. People who believe that
it is a zero sum game are forcing that to happen. You do have another major
thought process that is totally flawed. You say: "I don’t know what it will
take to break this situation apart but I think that ending the role of the
US as global policeman is a good start." If you have a goal than you can
reach it after it is defined, the route is planned and you put the effort
and  enthusiasm into it. Or as Paul Mejer said;"

Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and
enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass.", a little more
eloquent.
You are trying to find the goal by just running away in a direction you
really have only marginal understanding of.

I do agree with you that the US would be far better of if we stopped this
senseless policing. I think this behavior is triggered by large enterprises
having the same attitude as the politicians and the bureaucrats. I will be
very late in the line defending the US behavior in this regard. In addition
I pay for it. I say that if US must be part of this police force with its
superior military capacity then it should charge for it and include a
profit. The current behavior makes no sense and it does not benefit the US
population at large. This is an issue you have walked in to by looking in
the rear view mirror instead of looking forward.

I even agree with you about Libya. I even said so at the time this 'war'
broke out. I would perhaps keep names out of it as I do not know (certainly
not because I have anything to say in favor of 'The Clintons'. I do
understand the news. I can see the need to invent reasons, so certain
businesses can benefit (again not the population in general). I can give
you the example when the Iraq war was justified a smear campaign against
Hans Blix after he declared 'Iraq has no weapons of mass destruction'.

In summary:
You just want the US to be eliminated at all cost on the worlds political
arena. I would say that is a destructive, unproductive, slow process, which
I only know one force that works hard on - the US military/industrial
complex.
I want the US to utilize its potential for the benefit of all the western
world. I have radical, productive, simple and fast working ideas of how. My
problem is that people like you make it sound like there are only two
alternatives; keep status quo or destroy the US. That scare people away
from action and they chose status quo.

Try to find a solution instead of complaining.

Best Regards ,
Lennart Thornros

lenn...@thornros.com
+1 916 436 1899

Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and
enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM)

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 12:00 PM, Chris Zell  wrote:

> “Positive” viewpoints can be harmful if you’re being cheated or conned and
> that’s mostly what’s happening across the world. The conservative forces
> that you won’t call a conspiracy tend to make our world into a zero-sum
> game.  I don’t know what it will take to break this situation apart but I
> think that ending the role of the US as global policeman is a good start.
>
>
>
> Example: Libya may have had the highest standard of living in Africa.
> Although Khaddafi had many faults, he did share much of the oil wealth with
> his nation. Out of hate and ego ( Hillary Clinton), they bombed Libya and
> thereby put violent jihadists in power. After that, Europe must contend
> with many Libyan refugees fleeing their broken nation.  There is also Iraq
> and Vietnam to consider.  And the recent exposure of the US ‘pulling its
> punches” on ISIS.
>
>
>
> If you want to understand the news, understand that the US MUST portray
> Russia as a danger – in order to sell expensive weapons such as the F-35 (
> which isn’t relevant to shooting at jihadists).  Much the same goes for
> China because these ‘advanced 21st century” weapons have little to do
> with fighting Islamic insurgencies.  Whistleblowers have asserted that NSA
> spying is often directed at foreign business interests that would disrupt
> US companies.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Vo]:Old disposible button lithium batteries spectacularly explodes

2015-11-10 Thread Eric Walker

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 5:20 PM, John Berry  wrote:

Well this has to be testable.
>

It looks like there are ways to do this at home, including using a
home-built scintillation counter or cloud chamber:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnpNb4Plt1Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sejvogRVmZs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGvTHC9hK4k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGYiiLC0aKA

The trick would be differentiating between electrons from the expected
Coulomb explosion and the relativistic electrons coming from ~ MeV beta
decays.  The mean free paths of the latter would be further, I suppose.
They might deflect less under a magnet as well.  (Electrons have a random
trajectory at slower speeds due to their strong interaction with the
electrons of atoms they pass by, but I'm not sure to what extent this is
true at higher energies.)

It's tempting to think there are direct-to-electricity applications that
could be derived from both controlled beta decay and alpha decay.

Eric

Re: [Vo]:Old disposible button lithium batteries spectacularly explodes

2015-11-10 Thread John Berry

It still seems to happen, but yeah you're right, way less energetic.

But still an explosion: https://youtu.be/vRKK6pliejs?t=43

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Eric Walker  wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 12:35 AM, John Berry 
> wrote:
>
> I wonder if Rossi style LENR is based on a sub-critical level of this same
>> effect?
>>
>
> I do not think beta decay could account for much of what was seen in the
> Lugano test.  It could not explain the shift in the ratio of 6Li to 7Li,
> for example.  It might account for the heat.  I am currently exploring the
> possibility that alpha decay and alpha capture explain the isotope shifts
> (which may or may not be the primary source of heat).
>
> Eric
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Check this out - Nature 1999

2015-11-10 Thread Mark Jurich

Check this out - Nature 1999FYI:

Just in passing, I would like to note (to others, at least) that this Nature 
Paper is Reference [4] in Holmlid’s 2014 Paper:

Ultra-Dense Hydrogen H(−1) as the Cause of Instabilities in Laser 
Compression-Based Nuclear Fusion
http://fuelrfuture.com/science/holm2.pdf

and that I don’t believe the term “Ultra-dense Hydrogen” or the material itself 
(as Holmlid characterizes it) was 
understood/identified back in 1999 when the Nature Paper came out.

Mark Jurich


From: Jones Beene
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 7:07 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Check this out - Nature 1999

This is from the journal Nature in 1999 – and it reads like “déjà vu all over 
again”… since it was done with a table top laser and 
clusters of deuterium - but is hot fusion on a small scale – ICF … and way 
ahead of its time … since it is also very much like 
Holmlid’s claims, with one notable difference …

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v398/n6727/abs/398489a0.html

… one of the authors, Ken Wharton was present at the Ólafsson SRI colloquium 
and indicated that he had not been successful making 
the dense deuterium, but it is really only that one “detail” which ties 
everything together into a game changer technology.

Which is to say that LENR and ICF hot fusion are so very close to becoming a 
hybrid, and now we see that they have been close since 
1999 – such that a hybrid with LENR, using even lower energy - will be readily 
accepted by the mainstream (after all this is 
Nature) … if and when … the dense deuterium for ICF targets is replicated.

Everything else is in place… essentially.

It is mind boggling, in a way that the wording of the 1999 Letter is so similar…

Re: [Vo]:Re: Old disposible button lithium batteries spectacularly explodes

2015-11-10 Thread John Berry

Good question.  A cellphone app maybe?

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 9:40 PM, jjam...@gmail.com 
wrote:

>
> Even there would be a conventional way to explain the explosion, it may be
> worth to check the presence of ionizing particles at this short moment.
> Could be an affordable instrument for that?
>
>
> H Ucar
>
>
> -- Original message--
>
> *From: *jjam...@gmail.com
>
> *Date: *Mon, Nov 9, 2015 16:08
>
> *To: *vortex-L@eskimo.com;
>
> *Cc: *
>
> *Subject:*Old disposible button lithium batteries spectacularly explodes
>
>
> I exploded two button batteries by heating through soldering iron.
> Explosion is spectacular, maybe comparable to amno. When exploded the
> content is completely blow out and sticked as fine gray powder to suface of
> safety container. Soldering iron tip is also crooked. I dont the reaction
> that occurs but as the lithium appears prime element in LENR this can be
> focused that way.
>
>
> Why these tiny dead batteries explodes so violently?
>
>
>
> H Ucar
>

[Vo]:Re: Old disposible button lithium batteries spectacularly explodes

2015-11-10 Thread jjam...@gmail.com


Even there would be a conventional way to explain the explosion, it may be 
worth to check the presence of ionizing particles at this short moment. Could 
be an affordable instrument for that?
H Ucar
-- Original message--From: jjamdix@gmail.comDate: Mon, Nov 9, 2015 
16:08To: vortex-L@eskimo.com;Cc: Subject:Old disposible button lithium 
batteries spectacularly explodes
I exploded two button batteries by heating through soldering iron. 
Explosion is spectacular, maybe comparable to amno. When exploded the content 
is completely blow out and sticked as fine gray powder to suface of safety 
container. Soldering iron tip is also crooked. I dont the reaction that occurs 
but as the lithium appears prime element in LENR this can be focused that way.
Why these tiny dead batteries explodes so violently? H Ucar

Re: [Vo]:Old disposible button lithium batteries spectacularly explodes

2015-11-10 Thread mixent

In reply to  Eric Walker's message of Tue, 10 Nov 2015 00:47:22 -0600:
Hi,
[snip]

The ionization energy of the alkali metals gets higher as they get smaller, ergo
they get less reactive.

>I wrote:
>
>Thermite has aluminum in it, so the above reaction for aluminum could
>> apply.  That makes lithium the party crasher.
>>
>
>It did occur to me, however, that lithium does not violently explode in
>water in the same way that the others do.  It just kind of sets on fire and
>burns.  This could be what the normal oxidation looks like without a beta
>decay component that the others might have.
>
>Eric
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:Faraday to challenge Tesla

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 9:46 AM, Terry Blanton  wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Terry Blanton  wrote:
>> The web page does not have the quality you would expect from Apple.
>
> Don't get me wrong.  I wasn't implying that it wasn't real.  It would
> be wise for Apple to not show their hand.

Rumors are that Faraday Future funding comes from LeTV owner Jia Yueting.

http://cleantechnica.com/2015/11/10/cracking-mystery-faraday-future-concepts-revealed/

Re: [Vo]:Faraday to challenge Tesla

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 8:15 PM, Terry Blanton  wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 9:46 AM, Terry Blanton  wrote:
>> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Terry Blanton  wrote:
>>> The web page does not have the quality you would expect from Apple.
>>
>> Don't get me wrong.  I wasn't implying that it wasn't real.  It would
>> be wise for Apple to not show their hand.
>
> Rumors are that Faraday Future funding comes from LeTV owner Jia Yueting.
>
> http://cleantechnica.com/2015/11/10/cracking-mystery-faraday-future-concepts-revealed/

I see Blaze already posted about Yeuting.  Sorry for being redundant over again.

Re: [Vo]:Faraday to challenge Tesla

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 8:24 PM, Terry Blanton  wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 8:15 PM, Terry Blanton  wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 9:46 AM, Terry Blanton  wrote:
>>> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Terry Blanton  wrote:
 The web page does not have the quality you would expect from Apple.
>>>
>>> Don't get me wrong.  I wasn't implying that it wasn't real.  It would
>>> be wise for Apple to not show their hand.
>>
>> Rumors are that Faraday Future funding comes from LeTV owner Jia Yueting.
>>
>> http://cleantechnica.com/2015/11/10/cracking-mystery-faraday-future-concepts-revealed/
>
> I see Blaze already posted about Yeuting.  Sorry for being redundant over 
> again.

To make up for my redundancy here is an article about various
companies joining Musk:

http://qz.com/546081/what-it-takes-in-the-new-electric-car-race-1-billion-a-tesla-veteran-or-bill-gates-imprimatur/

Re: [Vo]:Old disposible button lithium batteries spectacularly explodes

2015-11-10 Thread Eric Walker

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 3:07 AM, John Berry  wrote:

It still seems to happen, but yeah you're right, way less energetic.
>
> But still an explosion: https://youtu.be/vRKK6pliejs?t=43
>

You're right.  I didn't let it play long enough.  But yes, much less
energetic.

A possible test of the explanation: when recording with a high speed
camera, if there's a glow that looks like Cherenkov radiation that is as
strong in the case of lithium as in the others, then this is further
evidence against the beta decay explanation.

Eric

RE: [Vo]:Check this out - Nature 1999

Good point, Mark – since this detail is easy to overlook. I wonder how many of 
the geniuses at Livermore really have understood what Holmlid is saying.

 

Amazingly, if we can believe it - the Holmlid work not only provides a shortcut 
to achieving breakeven in laser fusion, BUT ALSO explains why the high energy 
billion dollar approach cannot scale-up adequately … and ironically, that 
reason is that the high energy approach actually makes some of the dense 
deuterium in situ, which causes instabilities.

 

(I hope this is not reading too much into it)

 

From: Mark Jurich 

 

Just in passing, I would like to note (to others, at least) that this Nature 
Paper is Reference [4] in Holmlid’s 2014 Paper:

 

Ultra-Dense Hydrogen H(−1) as the Cause of Instabilities in Laser 
Compression-Based Nuclear Fusion

http://fuelrfuture.com/science/holm2.pdf

 

and that I don’t believe the term “Ultra-dense Hydrogen” or the material itself 
(as Holmlid characterizes it) was understood/identified back in 1999 when the 
Nature Paper came out.

 

Mark Jurich

 

 

From: Jones Beene   

 

This is from the journal Nature in 1999 – and it reads like “déjà vu all over 
again”… since it was done with a table top laser and clusters of deuterium - 
but is hot fusion on a small scale – ICF … and way ahead of its time … since it 
is also very much like Holmlid’s claims, with one notable difference …

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v398/n6727/abs/398489a0.html

… one of the authors, Ken Wharton was present at the Ólafsson SRI colloquium 
and indicated that he had not been successful making the dense deuterium, but 
it is really only that one “detail” which ties everything together into a game 
changer technology.

Which is to say that LENR and ICF hot fusion are so very close to becoming a 
hybrid, and now we see that they have been close since 1999 – such that a 
hybrid with LENR, using even lower energy - will be readily accepted by the 
mainstream (after all this is Nature) … if and when … the dense deuterium for 
ICF targets is replicated.

Everything else is in place… essentially. 

It is mind boggling, in a way that the wording of the 1999 Letter is so similar…

Re: [Vo]:Faraday to challenge Tesla