Re: [Vo]:Rossi Ecat Commercialization ..a Nice Website

[Eric Walker]

I like Huw Price's boldness in egging on the nay-sayers:

And I want to sound a note of caution for anyone who still feels confident
> that they can continue to ignore the field. If LENR is on the verge of a
> comeback, the reputation trap will turn inside out very, very quickly. No
> one wants to be the last ostrich to pull its head out of the sand. You have
> been warned!


The following statement, mentioning the short-lived claim by MFMP of a
correlation of excess heat and x-rays, suggests that Price needs to do more
vetting of the evidence he's relying on to support his optimism:

Most interestingly, a partisan but admirably self-critical open science
> collaboration called the Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project (MFMP) claims
> to have detected a strong X-ray signal from one of their devices,
> apparently correlated with signs of excess heat.


Eric

[Vo]:Re: Kamacite and natural fractionation of heavy nickel

[Bob Cook]

If you believe slide 13 of the AP report, there was very little Zn in the fuel 
to start with and even less after reaction.  Ni amounted  to 60 weight % to 
start and Zn was reported to be .0135 %.  There was not much Zn-64 in any case. 
 

Bob Cook

From: Bob Higgins 
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 9:14 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Kamacite and natural fractionation of heavy nickel

This is an interesting prospect.  64Ni and 64Zn are not separable by even high 
resolution ICP-MS.  HR-ICP-MS can have resolving powers up to about 10k, but 
separating 64Ni and 64Zn would require a resolving power of about 55k.  It is 
also relatively difficult to separate Ni and Zn chemically.  HOWEVER, if the Zn 
were present, you would also see peaks for stable 66Zn and 68Zn for which there 
would be no corresponding peaks of Ni.  The amount of total Zn would be 
inferred from the amounts of the 66Zn and 68Zn extrapolated back to the amount 
of 64Zn.  I find it hard to believe that a competent lab would miss this.


On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 9:15 PM, Eric Walker  wrote:


  > On Mar 25, 2016, at 8:33, "Jones Beene"  wrote:
  >
  > However ... it should be noted that there is one other possibility to
  > consider. Zinc-64 is the most common isotope of zinc, and it is slightly
  > radioactive !

  I like this suggestion a lot. As 64Zn comprises nearly half of natural zinc, 
it strikes me as more likely there would have been zinc impurity than that 
there should be a surprisingly high relative fraction of 64Ni. If this is what 
happened, I'm further surprised that Parkhamov didn't catch something so 
obvious (with hindsight and/or skill).

  I'm going to further wager that there was a high degree of measurement 
uncertainty, obscuring a change that was minor or not at all in this case.

  Eric

Re: [Vo]:Kamacite and natural fractionation of heavy nickel

[Eric Walker]

On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 9:14 PM, Bob Higgins 
wrote:


> HOWEVER, if the Zn were present, you would also see peaks for stable 66Zn
> and 68Zn for which there would be no corresponding peaks of Ni.  The amount
> of total Zn would be inferred from the amounts of the 66Zn and 68Zn
> extrapolated back to the amount of 64Zn.  I find it hard to believe that a
> competent lab would miss this.
>

I was thinking this, too.  Perhaps the lab reported only mass peaks, and
Parkhomov did the translation of peaks to stable isotopes?

It occurs to me that in this scenario the mass 64 peak would include both
nickel and zinc.

Eric

Re: [Vo]:Kamacite and natural fractionation of heavy nickel

[Bob Higgins]

This is an interesting prospect.  64Ni and 64Zn are not separable by even
high resolution ICP-MS.  HR-ICP-MS can have resolving powers up to about
10k, but separating 64Ni and 64Zn would require a resolving power of about
55k.  It is also relatively difficult to separate Ni and Zn chemically.
HOWEVER, if the Zn were present, you would also see peaks for stable 66Zn
and 68Zn for which there would be no corresponding peaks of Ni.  The amount
of total Zn would be inferred from the amounts of the 66Zn and 68Zn
extrapolated back to the amount of 64Zn.  I find it hard to believe that a
competent lab would miss this.

On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 9:15 PM, Eric Walker  wrote:

>
> > On Mar 25, 2016, at 8:33, "Jones Beene"  wrote:
> >
> > However ... it should be noted that there is one other possibility to
> > consider. Zinc-64 is the most common isotope of zinc, and it is slightly
> > radioactive !
>
> I like this suggestion a lot. As 64Zn comprises nearly half of natural
> zinc, it strikes me as more likely there would have been zinc impurity than
> that there should be a surprisingly high relative fraction of 64Ni. If this
> is what happened, I'm further surprised that Parkhamov didn't catch
> something so obvious (with hindsight and/or skill).
>
> I'm going to further wager that there was a high degree of measurement
> uncertainty, obscuring a change that was minor or not at all in this case.
>
> Eric
>

RE: [Vo]:Kamacite and natural fractionation of heavy nickel

[Jones Beene]

Eric - Yes, this is situation is very puzzling, especially that it went
un-noticed in Russia.

One detail worth adding into the mix is that zinc is a Mills catalyst, and
one of the few with a lowest value (27.2 eV) Rydberg fit... meaning that it
is more accessible at low temperatures than nickel or potassium. 

In search of other references to 64Zn in the past, lots of the isotope
turned up in old report from Tom Passel and Russ George as the largest
anomaly in the transmutation products of Pd-D electrodes. Bizarre since in
that case, it is a product of the reaction and apparently not a cause -- but
the weird thing is that the pathways to get it is absurdly improbable since
there was no copper or nickel present... 

Go figure. It just gets curiouser and curiouser, as Alice might opine... 

-Original Message-
From: Eric Walker 

> However ... it should be noted that there is one other possibility to 
> consider. Zinc-64 is the most common isotope of zinc, and it is 
> slightly radioactive !

I like this suggestion a lot. As 64Zn comprises nearly half of natural zinc,
it strikes me as more likely there would have been zinc impurity than that
there should be a surprisingly high relative fraction of 64Ni. If this is
what happened, I'm further surprised that Parkhamov didn't catch something
so obvious (with hindsight and/or skill).

I'm going to further wager that there was a high degree of measurement
uncertainty, obscuring a change that was minor or not at all in this case.

Eric

Re: [Vo]:Kamacite and natural fractionation of heavy nickel

[Eric Walker]

> On Mar 25, 2016, at 8:33, "Jones Beene"  wrote:
> 
> However ... it should be noted that there is one other possibility to
> consider. Zinc-64 is the most common isotope of zinc, and it is slightly
> radioactive !

I like this suggestion a lot. As 64Zn comprises nearly half of natural zinc, it 
strikes me as more likely there would have been zinc impurity than that there 
should be a surprisingly high relative fraction of 64Ni. If this is what 
happened, I'm further surprised that Parkhamov didn't catch something so 
obvious (with hindsight and/or skill).

I'm going to further wager that there was a high degree of measurement 
uncertainty, obscuring a change that was minor or not at all in this case.

Eric

Re: [Vo]:ECat boxes for sale with Specs - from Roger Green

[Jed Rothwell]

Daniel Rocha  wrote:

Jed, I don't see any sense in what you write. Alright, it has a US address.
> So what?
>

I am saying I do not know where this company is located. There is no
indication on the web site. No phone number or address at all. A Whois
inquiry for ecat.tech finds nothing -- which is strange!

The only address or contact anywhere is for Mr. Green, including his U.S.
address. If he and ecat.tech are in the U.S., this would be under U.S.
jurisdiction.



> BTW,  right now, I don't take Rossi or any of these guys saying they are
> ready to release seriously. I think, deep down, I never had taken. It feels
> like reading an online RPG being played.
>

I don't take him seriously either. He has said too many unbelievable things
about the test over the last year, such as, "I cannot tell whether it
passed or failed." That's absurd, as I said several times last year.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:ECat boxes for sale with Specs - from Roger Green

[Daniel Rocha]

Jed, I don't see any sense in what you write. Alright, it has a US address.
So what?

***

BTW,  right now, I don't take Rossi or any of these guys saying they are
ready to release seriously. I think, deep down, I never had taken. It feels
like reading an online RPG being played.

Re: [Vo]:ECat boxes for sale with Specs - from Roger Green

[Jed Rothwell]

Daniel Rocha  wrote:

Last time I checked, USA jurisdiction did not encompass the whole world, at
> least officially, haha!
>

There is no indication where this company Ecat.tech is located. Except for
Roger Green's address. He has one in Australia and one in the U.S. So it
could be under U.S. jurisdiction.

Roger Green
P O BOX 7788
Bondi Beach NSW 2026
Sydney, Australia.
P O Box 706
Manhattan NYC
NY 10022 USA
e...@earthlink.net
www.Ecat.Tech

I cannot find a whois record for ecat.tech.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:ECat boxes for sale with Specs - from Roger Green

[Daniel Rocha]

Last time I checked, USA jurisdiction did not encompass the whole world, at
least officially, haha!

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Ecat Commercialization ..a Nice Website

[Craig Haynie]

Rossi is the man in the lead?

Unless Mills is lying, he is miles ahead of Rossi. If this is the case, 
then all Mills has to do is walk up and claim his Nobel prize.


Craig

On 03/25/2016 09:40 AM, Ron Kita wrote:

Nice presentation..I almost missed it:
http://newenergytreasure.com/2016/03/18/race-to-commercialize-cold-fusion-is-afoot/

Ron Kita, Chiralex

[Vo]:what harm does the delayed, difficult, dawning of the LENR Era?

[Peter Gluck]

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/03/mar-25-2016-difficult-delayed-dawning.html


actuallu it is also a discussion about friendly mythocide in LENR classic
and quite interesting Info
Things are moving a bit chaotically but this is it!
peter
-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

[Vo]:New chinese aluminum-graphite dual-ion battery

[Roarty, Francis X]

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2016-03/caos-crd032416.php 

[Vo]:Rossi Ecat Commercialization ..a Nice Website

[a.ashfield]

This essay "Is the cold fusion egg about to hatch?" is worth a look too
https://aeon.co/opinions/is-the-cold-fusion-egg-about-to-hatch

RE: [Vo]:Kamacite and natural fractionation of heavy nickel

[Jones Beene]

The reason this thread was started was to try to explain Parkhomov's data of
4+% enrichment of 64Ni, which was depleted during the run, and consequently
- this isotope is the most likely candidate to provide the excess energy
which he sees.

The precise situation is that an element of 64 amu was seen in mass
spectroscopy-  and identified as 64Ni, which should only be found in a
concentration which is 400% lower.

However ... it should be noted that there is one other possibility to
consider. Zinc-64 is the most common isotope of zinc, and it is slightly
radioactive ! It has a long half-life but the fact that it is known to be
radioactive could play a role in a process where protons are present in a
metal matrix, and can disrupt the electrostatic balance of nuclei.

Zinc is a common metal in ores with high sulfur and can end up in nickel, if
not carefully refined. The problem is that get 4% 64Zn, there would need to
be 8% of zinc metal in the alloy. However, this could happen. The tester
would see mass-64 and mislabel it as nickel if that is what was expected.

Furthermore, this scenario is not out of the question, if the nickel had
been recycled. There is a common zinc alloy with nickel which is the most
common electroplating alloy used is the electro-galvanization process for
protection of metal surfaces. 

Parkhomov was known to be working on a low budget, and he may have used a
recycled nickel as his fuel. This would actually be good news if true, since
zinc is relatively cheap.

I doubt this is the case, but it should be mentioned as a possibility.

Re: [Vo]:Obtained stable magnetic bound state of locked counter wise spinning of magnets

[Vibrator !]

RKE = half the angular inertia times angular displacement / time, or half
MoI times freq^2.

MoI of a solid mass is simple, so we can easily and accurately derive the
samples' RKE as a function of acceleration / time (many smartphones have
60Hz or higher camera speeds and a laser tacho will thus tell us exactly
how much energy has been imparted by the air jet and base rotor.

Ideally, it would be desirable to engineer a situation in which
acceleration is entirely self contained (ie. without using the air jet).
We can then determine exactly how much work has been done by the base
rotor.

For instance their may be a combination of MoI and base rotor speeds that
is only just stable below a threshold rotor speed, which can then be raised
above that threshold causing a disproportionate acceleration into the new
stable mode.

However if the ultimate goal is to harness energy from the magnetic field,
then we already know how to do this..  the requisite condition is a
time-dependent asymmetric exchange of positive and negative forces /
torques, effected by manipulating field change propogation.rates as an
inverse function of field density (ie. denser = slower).  Specifically, the
rates of inceasing vs decreasing induced flux density must be non-linear,
in order to yeild a non-zero balance of forces.

This is the only viable route, consistent with the conservation laws and
Noether.  Occasionally some may stumble across it inadvertently, while
attributing the result to their own intended, but fallacious principles,
and are thus unable to generalise it, making robust replications and
further development difficult (ie. Yildiz, and likely others).

Bottom line is that there has to be a passive time-dependent force
variation - this is implicit in the very notion of any asymmetry between
closed-loop input and output force / displacement integrals.



On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 9:22 AM, H Ucar  wrote:

> Apperently an direct interaction causing counterwise rotation which not
> consume energy conflict with COE. This is similar to a case of a
> motorcyle accelerate on a freely rotating circular  track causing the track
> rotate backward due to Newton's 3rd law. Even the motorcyle does not
> accelerates the air resistance is transmitted to the track by the wheels
> and continue to push it back.
>
>
>
>
> -- Original message--
> *From: *H Ucar
> *Date: *Thu, Mar 24, 2016 23:23
> *To: *vortex-l@eskimo.com;
> *Cc: *
> *Subject:*Re: [Vo]:Obtained stable magnetic bound state of locked counter
> wise spinning of magnets
>
>
> Counterwise rotation in this case is an anomaly from engineering point of
> view where there is no friction and no rigid constraints, altrough
> vibrations are sources of all sort  of weird things hard to model. For
> example rogue waves has been never predicted and still no good model
> exists. Even it may be a link between LENR and rogue wave mechanism.
>
> BTW, I uploaded a video of another realization of this cw spinning
> experiment at
> https://youtu.be/-XKbRrea-CA
>
>
> -- Original message--
> *From: *Vibrator !
> *Date: *Wed, Mar 23, 2016 23:15
> *To: *vortex-l@eskimo.com;
> *Cc: *
> *Subject:*Re: [Vo]:Obtained stable magnetic bound state of locked counter
> wise spinning of magnets
>
> Thanks for the updates and clarifications, i'd inferred incorrectly that
> the samples were only suspended from below and that the reason for posting
> was anomolous levitation... having now watched the series on YT
> everything's clear.
>
> If you followed the original whipmag discussions, i concluded that Al was
> cruelly playing OC (OverConfident was the original designer) - there were
> only two possibilities; either a hidden pulse coil or an inadvertent Orbo
> replication.  Neos have near-infinitessimal Sv, so it seems unlikely that
> the relative velocity between rotor and stator was high enough to be
> affected by the response freqs of the magents.  Others (including myself)
> tested identical magnet grades across wider speed ranges without detecting
> any anomalies.  This isn't a conclusive dismissal, but the likelihood that
> he had a passive temporal asymmetry (the only viable means of genuine
> energy gain) is IMHO almost nil.
>
> Perhaps most tellingly, Al himself always denied OU, in spite of the
> acceleration, instead proffering nonsensical appeals to tribolectric
> effects, and other guff..  it is inarguable that gain occurred, he knows
> what energy is, so the absolute refusal to acknowedge OU can only be
> construed one way, as far as i'm concerned; it was a little chest-beating
> display to indulge his pathoskeptic hu mour.  OC sadly became terminally
> ill not long after, so i hope Al did the decent thing while he still had
> time..
>
> The "gearwise" and "counter-gearwise" neologisms were about his only
> redeeming contributions, but having established himself as a manipulative
> cynic i wouldn't trust a further word out of his mouth...
>
> But whatever the 

Re: [Vo]:Obtained stable magnetic bound state of locked counter wise spinning of magnets

[Vibrator !]

Fantastic demo, again...

However i feel the analogy of a ball trapped under a running tap seems to
adequately explain the situation - the relative angular velocities are high
enough that the angular direction is incidental to the fact that it's
simply a fast alternating field (the same principle behind AGW sync in the
Whipmag), and the mid-air suspension is similarly the net zero vertical
displacements of the rapid equal and opposite vertical forces in
homeostasis / dynamic equilibrium with the zero balance of induced vertical
momentums.

All else being equal, there should be a predictable vertical offset due to
gravity when the magnet is suspended from the opposite direction.

Another interesting angle would be to attempt to modulte the harmonic phase
of the sync as a function of MoI of the spinning sample - if the rotors are
painted black across half their diameter you could use a cheap laser tacho
to compare their velocities to the base magnet.

You could then modify the suspended rotor by adding a lightweight rigid
radial extension of some kind, along which two small heavier masses can be
affixed at equal radius 180° opposite to each other.  In this way the mass
of the rotor remains constant, and its radial distribution can be varied
between runs to compare relative sync velocities as a function of varying
angular inertia.

Alternatively find or fabricate a selection of lightweight washers / rings
with equal mass and varying radii that can be attached to the samples..

For any given set of fixed parameters, there is likely more than one stable
sync rate, and the incidents of max energy transfer follow the harmonic
series (first the unison, then factors of two, then three, etc. of the base
rate), with the transmission efficiency decreasing as a function of impulse
/ angle.

This same dynamic applies to multiple planes, encompassing precession and
nutation etc..

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 9:23 PM, H Ucar  wrote:

>
> Counterwise rotation in this case is an anomaly from engineering point of
> view where there is no friction and no rigid constraints, altrough
> vibrations are sources of all sort  of weird things hard to model. For
> example rogue waves has been never predicted and still no good model
> exists. Even it may be a link between LENR and rogue wave mechanism.
>
> BTW, I uploaded a video of another realization of this cw spinning
> experiment at
> https://youtu.be/-XKbRrea-CA
>
>
> -- Original message--
> *From: *Vibrator !
> *Date: *Wed, Mar 23, 2016 23:15
> *To: *vortex-l@eskimo.com;
> *Cc: *
> *Subject:*Re: [Vo]:Obtained stable magnetic bound state of locked counter
> wise spinning of magnets
>
> Thanks for the updates and clarifications, i'd inferred incorrectly that
> the samples were only suspended from below and that the reason for posting
> was anomolous levitation... having now watched the series on YT
> everything's clear.
>
> If you followed the original whipmag discussions, i concluded that Al was
> cruelly playing OC (OverConfident was the original designer) - there were
> only two possibilities; either a hidden pulse coil or an inadvertent Orbo
> replication.  Neos have near-infinitessimal Sv, so it seems unlikely that
> the relative velocity between rotor and stator was high enough to be
> affected by the response freqs of the magents.  Others (including myself)
> tested identical magnet grades across wider speed ranges without detecting
> any anomalies.  This isn't a conclusive dismissal, but the likelihood that
> he had a passive temporal asymmetry (the only viable means of genuine
> energy gain) is IMHO almost nil.
>
> Perhaps most tellingly, Al himself always denied OU, in spite of the
> acceleration, instead proffering nonsensical appe als to tribolectric
> effects, and other guff..  it is inarguable that gain occurred, he knows
> what energy is, so the absolute refusal to acknowedge OU can only be
> construed one way, as far as i'm concerned; it was a little chest-beating
> display to indulge his pathoskeptic humour.  OC sadly became terminally ill
> not long after, so i hope Al did the decent thing while he still had time..
>
> The "gearwise" and "counter-gearwise" neologisms were about his only
> redeeming contributions, but having established himself as a manipulative
> cynic i wouldn't trust a further word out of his mouth...
>
> But whatever the inspirations, you're obviously doing genuine work and
> taking things forward, with a neat tracking solution too!  I'll have to
> read up on your reasearch when i get time..
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 3:29 AM, H Ucar  wrote:
>
>> This is true if diametrically polarised magnets are placed side by side
>> as gears. Al (of whipmag) termed this config as 'gearwise' and the case of
>> magnets spinning in same direction as 'counter gearwise'. He hed obtained
>> cgw with a composite magnet assembly apperently self running. I had
>> obtained cgw with two diametrically polar. magnets and I 

RE: [Vo]:Obtained stable magnetic bound state of locked counter wise spinning of magnets

[Jones Beene]

In trying to find out what the phenomenon is called – the one that Hamdi refers 
to – the concept of “hysteresis drag” comes up - and the concept of a 
“hysteresis drag cup output device” came up in a patent.

 

https://www.google.com/patents/US4885489

 

This would be relevant if the magnetic field from one source (as distinct field 
“lines”) operates as a deformable material which couples to field lines of 
another source in various ways… possibly including “negative hysteresis” and/or 
rate-dependent negative hysteresis.

 

A characteristic of a deformable material such that the energy of deformation 
is greater than the energy of recovery. The rubber compound in a tire exhibits 
positive hysteresis. As the tire rotates under the weight of the vehicle, it 
experiences repeated cycles of deformation and recovery, and it dissipates the 
hysteresis energy loss as heat. Hysteresis is the main cause of energy loss 
associated with rolling resistance and is attributed to the viscoelastic 
characteristics of the rubber.

 

Negative hysteresis, as the name suggests, could violate CoE if it is shown to 
occur but in the demo, the input is apparently much higher than the output.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hysteresis

 

At any rate, a test of

 

From: H Ucar 

 

Apperently an direct interaction causing counterwise rotation which not consume 
energy conflict with COE. This is similar to a case of a motorcyle accelerate 
on a freely rotating circular  track causing the track rotate backward due to 
Newton's 3rd law. Even the motorcyle does not accelerates the air resistance is 
transmitted to the track by the wheels and continue to push it back. 



 

Counterwise rotation in this case is an anomaly from engineering point of view 
where there is no friction and no rigid constraints, although vibrations are 
sources of all sort  of weird things hard to model. For example rogue waves has 
been never predicted and still no good model exists. Even it may be a link 
between LENR and rogue wave mechanism.

 

BTW, I uploaded a video of another realization of this cw spinning experiment at

  https://youtu.be/-XKbRrea-CA

 

 

-- Original message--

From: Vibrator !

 

Thanks for the updates and clarifications, i'd inferred incorrectly that the 
samples were only suspended from below and that the reason for posting was 
anomolous levitation... having now watched the series on YT everything's clear. 

If you followed the original whipmag discussions, i concluded that Al was 
cruelly playing OC (OverConfident was the original designer) - there were only 
two possibilities; either a hidden pulse coil or an inadvertent Orbo 
replication.  Neos have near-infinitessimal Sv, so it seems unlikely that the 
relative velocity between rotor and stator was high enough to be affected by 
the response freqs of the magents.  Others (including myself) tested identical 
magnet grades across wider speed ranges without detecting any anomalies.  This 
isn't a conclusive dismissal, but the likelihood that he had a passive temporal 
asymmetry (the only viable means of genuine energy gain) is IMHO almost nil.

Perhaps most tellingly, Al himself always denied OU, in spite of the 
acceleration, instead proffering nonsensical appeals to tribolectric effects, 
and other guff..  it is inarguable that gain occurred, he knows what energy is, 
so the absolute refusal to acknowedge OU can only be construed one way, as far 
as i'm concerned; it was a little chest-beating display to indulge his 
pathoskeptic hu mour.  OC sadly became terminally ill not long after, so i hope 
Al did the decent thing while he still had time..
  

The "gearwise" and "counter-gearwise" neologisms were about his only redeeming 
contributions, but having established himself as a manipulative cynic i 
wouldn't trust a further word out of his mouth...

But whatever the inspirations, you're obviously doing genuine work and taking 
things forward, with a neat tracking solution too!  I'll have to read up on 
your reasearch when i get time..

 

 

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 3:29 AM, H Ucar <  
jjam...@gmail.com> wrote:

This is true if diametrically polarised magnets are placed side by side as 
gears. Al (of whipmag) termed this config as 'gearwise' and the case of magnets 
spinning in same direction as 'counter gearwise'. He hed obtained cgw with a 
composite magnet assembly apperently self running. I had obtained cgw with two 
diametrically polar. magnets and I recall I reported on vortex. But on this 
floating magnet setup magnets spin axes are nearly aligned so not simply a gear 
like mechanism.

 

>Vibrator ! Tue, 22 Mar 2016 17:08:37 -0700

>(ETA. counterclockwise synch is interesting and also easily replicable, at 
>least in diametrically magnetised rotors, Again though, if this is an axially 
>polarised levitation then this too is anomolous.  Have to say, everything's 
>pointing to 

[Vo]:Rossi Ecat Commercialization ..a Nice Website

[Ron Kita]

Nice presentation..I almost missed it:
http://newenergytreasure.com/2016/03/18/race-to-commercialize-cold-fusion-is-afoot/

Ron Kita, Chiralex

Re: [Vo]:Obtained stable magnetic bound state of locked counter wise spinning of magnets

[H Ucar]

Apperently an direct interaction causing counterwise rotation which not consume 
energy conflict with COE. This is similar to a case of a motorcyle accelerate 
on a freely rotating circular  track causing the track rotate backward due to 
Newton's 3rd law. Even the motorcyle does not accelerates the air resistance is 
transmitted to the track by the wheels and continue to push it back. 



-- Original message--From: H UcarDate: Thu, Mar 24, 2016 23:23To: 
vortex-l@eskimo.com;Cc: Subject:Re: [Vo]:Obtained stable magnetic bound state 
of locked counter wise spinning of magnets

Counterwise rotation in this case is an anomaly from engineering point of view 
where there is no friction and no rigid constraints, altrough vibrations are 
sources of all sort  of weird things hard to model. For example rogue waves has 
been never predicted and still no good model exists. Even it may be a link 
between LENR and rogue wave mechanism.
BTW, I uploaded a video of another realization of this cw spinning experiment 
athttps://youtu.be/-XKbRrea-CA


-- Original message--From: Vibrator !Date: Wed, Mar 23, 2016 23:15To: 
vortex-l@eskimo.com;Cc: Subject:Re: [Vo]:Obtained stable magnetic bound state 
of locked counter wise spinning of magnets
Thanks for the updates and clarifications, i'd inferred incorrectly that the 
samples were only suspended from below and that the reason for posting was 
anomolous levitation... having now watched the series on YT everything's clear. 

If you followed the original whipmag discussions, i concluded that Al was 
cruelly playing OC (OverConfident was the original designer) - there were only 
two possibilities; either a hidden pulse coil or an inadvertent Orbo 
replication.  Neos have near-infinitessimal Sv, so it seems unlikely that the 
relative velocity between rotor and stator was high enough to be affected by 
the response freqs of the magents.  Others (including myself) tested identical 
magnet grades across wider speed ranges without detecting any anomalies.  This 
isn't a conclusive dismissal, but the likelihood that he had a passive temporal 
asymmetry (the only viable means of genuine energy gain) is IMHO almost nil.

Perhaps most tellingly, Al himself always denied OU, in spite of the 
acceleration, instead proffering nonsensical appeals to tribolectric effects, 
and other guff..  it is inarguable that gain occurred, he knows what energy is, 
so the absolute refusal to acknowedge OU can only be construed one way, as far 
as i'm concerned; it was a little chest-beating display to indulge his 
pathoskeptic humour.  OC sadly became terminally ill not long after, so i hope 
Al did the decent thing while he still had time..
  
The "gearwise" and "counter-gearwise" neologisms were about his only redeeming 
contributions, but having established himself as a manipulative cynic i 
wouldn't trust a further word out of his mouth...

But whatever the inspirations, you're obviously doing genuine work and taking 
things forward, with a neat tracking solution too!  I'll have to read up on 
your reasearch when i get time..


On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 3:29 AM, H Ucar  wrote:
This is true if diametrically polarised magnets are placed side by side as 
gears. Al (of whipmag) termed this config as 'gearwise' and the case of magnets 
spinning in same direction as 'counter gearwise'. He hed obtained cgw with a 
composite magnet assembly apperently self running. I had obtained cgw with two 
diametrically polar. magnets and I recall I reported on vortex. But on this 
floating magnet setup magnets spin axes are nearly aligned so not simply a gear 
like mechanism.
>Vibrator ! Tue, 22 Mar 2016 17:08:37 -0700

>(ETA. counterclockwise synch is interesting and also easily replicable, at 
>least in diametrically magnetised rotors, Again though, if this is an axially 
>polarised levitation then this too is anomolous.  Have to say, everything's  
>pointing to diametric polarisation - alternatig fields, so Earnshaw doesn't 
>apply, but the combination of levitation and counter-rotation is still cool.. 
>would make for a neat executive toy..)
Yes, I think it is cool invention too, but more interested to me the 
applicability of this bound state mechanism in particle physics. See my eariler 
submissions in vortex on this subject.