Re: [Vo]:Brillouin, McKubre, Industrial Heat, Rossi, Jed

dear Patrick, may I reproduce this in Ego Out? Brillouin is an OTHER, alternative way to energy. Peter On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 5:04 AM, Patrick Ellul wrote: > So IH invested in Brillouin (BEC). > BEC's team seems to have strengthened a lot. >

Re: [Vo]:I thought ERV is people, like Soylent Green

I agree with you conclusion. Bob Cook From: Jed Rothwell Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 5:17 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:I thought ERV is people, like Soylent Green I see that I made a mistake and started a brouhaha. I thought ERV is people, like Soylent Green. I see now there

[Vo]:Re: Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Axil-- Your wrote: “One prediction is the production of intense RF because the reaction is magnetic and RF is a result of Active NMR elements. “ I agree with this assessment. I think you are correct on this part of the theory of LENR. Bob Cook From: Axil Axil Sent: Thursday, April 14,

[Vo]:Brillouin, McKubre, Industrial Heat, Rossi, Jed

So IH invested in Brillouin (BEC). BEC's team seems to have strengthened a lot. http://brillouinenergy.com/about/leadership/ It includes Carl Page. McKubre is effectively an insider to IH. He/his team is probably the one who convinced IH that Rossi's thing does not work. BEC is obviously in direct

Re: [Vo]:CNN: The largest U.S. coal company just filed for bankruptcy

Here is another article about the collapse of the coal industry: http://www.slate.com/articles/business/the_juice/2016/04/the_u_k_is_quitting_coal_poorer_countries_aren_t.html

[Vo]:I thought ERV is people, like Soylent Green

I see that I made a mistake and started a brouhaha. I thought ERV is people, like Soylent Green. I see now there were three people involved but only one official report. Sorry for the confusion. I confess I did not read the legal stuff carefully. Anyway the whole business gives me a headache and

Re: [Vo]:2nd "ERV" as well as being incomplete has obvious risks of being fraudulent.

Lennart Thornros wrote: 1. I think the judgment is based on one issue and that person has many > sides that could be better. > I think you are wrong. > 2. No you do not have to judge. > But I can if I want to. 3. Nobody said that your judgment has any quality. > If

Re: [Vo]:2nd "ERV" as well as being incomplete has obvious risks of being fraudulent.

Ian Walker wrote: "... as I said. I.H. says > they disagree with the report. They say there is no heat. That makes the > report valueless. I trust I.H.'s expertise in calorimetry more than I trust > Penon's." > > 1) Who at I.H. said this? > > The press release! That's what I

Re: [Vo]:2nd "ERV" as well as being incomplete has obvious risks of being fraudulent.

1. I think the judgment is based on one issue and that person has many sides that could be better. 2. No you do not have to judge. 3. Nobody said that your judgment has any quality. 4. Very few people are idiots - I do not believe one of those few got that kind of job. Good we agree as far as we

Re: [Vo]:CNN: The largest U.S. coal company just filed for bankruptcy

By definition AT is an organization and cannot do anything - people can do things. Best Regards , Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM) On Thu,

Re: [Vo]:2nd "ERV" as well as being incomplete has obvious risks of being fraudulent.

Lennart Thornros wrote: > regardless of what you think and believe, it is not fair to call someone > an idiot because he made a poor job at one time in 2012. > What other basis is there to call someone an idiot, other than his work? How else can you judge? > It is not

Re: [Vo]:CNN: The largest U.S. coal company just filed for bankruptcy

I'm not sure how you can say that AT never invented anything. For decades Bell Labs (Part of AT) was one of the preeminent research labs in the world. From Wikipedia: /At its peak, Bell Laboratories was the premier facility of its type, developing a wide range of revolutionary technologies,

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Siferkol reported in April 2015 https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/news/index.php/News/91-Sifferk%C3%B6ll-First-Hand-Information-from-Visitors-of-the-Industrial-Heat-E-Cat-Cus/ I know first hand from very reliable sources that themselves have visited the Rossi/ Industrial Heat E-Cat customer

Re: [Vo]:CNN: The largest U.S. coal company just filed for bankruptcy

Chem, Just for the fun of it; I did my military time servicing those analog computers as I called them. They were vacuum tubes and mechanical devices. It is partly the fact because I am old and partly because the Swedish Navy was less sophisticated then the US ditto. Best Regards , Lennart

Re: [Vo]:CNN: The largest U.S. coal company just filed for bankruptcy

Jed, Very few small companies went belly up because of those examples I gave. The number of people impact was infinitesimal small. The other side is that many small companies had the flexibility to shift and therefore they grow. AT has never invented anything. Shockley was given credit I think.

Re: [Vo]:CNN: The largest U.S. coal company just filed for bankruptcy

Just keeping Jed honest: First calculator: 2000 BC Inventor: Sumerians http://www.thecalculatorsite.com/articles/units/history-of-the-calculator.php First Electronic Calculator: The story of the electronic calculator really begins in the late 1930s as the world began to prepare for renewed

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

I want to go on record with a theory. This theory has predictions that can explain experimental results. One prediction is the production of intense RF because the reaction is magnetic and RF is a result of Active NMR elements. Another production is the production of x-rays when an electric arc

Re: [Vo]:CNN: The largest U.S. coal company just filed for bankruptcy

Lennart Thornros wrote: > There is theory called the S-curve theory. Many examples from the vacuum > tube / transistor evolution and calculators mechanic / solid state. Plenty > of big companies went belly up as they did not react fast enough. > So did many small

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Axil Axil, I read what you wrote and looked up the terms I was not familiar with. I don't know enough about these exotic particles to judge the likelihood of you being right. It seems to me that this is speculation unless you can provide proof. Certainly you have not provided a way of

RE: [Vo]:CNN: The largest U.S. coal company just filed for bankruptcy

From: Lennart Thornros [mailto:lenn...@thornros.com] Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 2:58 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:CNN: The largest U.S. coal company just filed for bankruptcy Jones, There is theory called the S-curve theory. Many examples from the vacuum tube / transistor

Re: [Vo]:CNN: The largest U.S. coal company just filed for bankruptcy

Jones, There is theory called the S-curve theory. Many examples from the vacuum tube / transistor evolution and calculators mechanic / solid state. Plenty of big companies went belly up as they did not react fast enough. This is why large corporations are a bad thing. They have no flexibility

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

a.ashfield wrote: > You write about claims of a COP of 80. My recollection was that it peaked > at 60 and we don't really know what the average was. You may be right. I tend to get numbers wrong. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:CNN: The largest U.S. coal company just filed for bankruptcy

Chris Zell wrote: > Sounds to me as if you guys are planning on a huge amount of coke > production. Lots of sulfur, heavy metals, coal tar and creosote oil left > over. > I do not see how there would be more than you get from burning the coal. I suppose it will be less

RE: [Vo]:CNN: The largest U.S. coal company just filed for bankruptcy

Sounds to me as if you guys are planning on a huge amount of coke production. Lots of sulfur, heavy metals, coal tar and creosote oil left over. You might want to site the factory in China or Africa………

RE: [Vo]:CNN: The largest U.S. coal company just filed for bankruptcy

Ken, Amazing that the coal industry itself has been so near-sighted about the how to proceed. They should have been looking for value-added alternatives in the 50s at the start of the nuclear age and secured their own Manhattan project for coal redeployment. Emblematic of the

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Jed, Your faith in the law is touching. The law is an ass (as stated by the chief justice) I am not confident a judge deciding between two experts would get it right. Much more likely to be decided by the wording of the contract. You write about claims of a COP of 80. My recollection was

Re: [Vo]:CNN: The largest U.S. coal company just filed for bankruptcy

That is exactly right, Jones! There are several papers and patents on feasible ways to use coal as high value products, especially CNTs, activated carbon, graphene, quantum dots etc. Here are four examples C. Xiang et al (J. Tour's group at Rice Univ) . Coal as an abundant source of graphene

[Vo]:my festive issue about the new LENR Geography

and info, disputes as usual http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/04/apr-14-2016-about-new-lenr-geography.html Thank you for your attention! Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:2nd "ERV" as well as being incomplete has obvious risks of being fraudulent.

Jed, regardless of what you think and believe, it is not fair to call someone an idiot because he made a poor job at one time in 2012. It is not fair to call someone a fraud because he made jail time and is Italian or because you find it hard to negotiate with him. No, repeating myself, there are

Re: [Vo]:2nd "ERV" as well as being incomplete has obvious risks of being fraudulent.

Hi all Should have included this in the above text. https://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg109304.html Source for what "Jed Said" My apologies. This head cold is slowing me down :) Kind Regards walker On 14 April 2016 at 17:42, Ian Walker wrote: > Hi all

Re: [Vo]:2nd "ERV" as well as being incomplete has obvious risks of being fraudulent.

Hi all Should have included this in the above text. Source for what "Jed Said" My apologies. Kind Regards walker On 14 April 2016 at 17:40, Ian Walker wrote: > Hi all > > In reply to Jed > > "... as I said. I.H. says > > they disagree with the report. They say there is

Re: [Vo]:2nd "ERV" as well as being incomplete has obvious risks of being fraudulent.

Hi all In reply to Jed "... as I said. I.H. says they disagree with the report. They say there is no heat. That makes the report valueless. I trust I.H.'s expertise in calorimetry more than I trust Penon's." 1) Who at I.H. said this? 2) Who is the expert at IH on Calorimetry that you trust so

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Jed, You take on many hats. You say this is not how business is run. Sorry to disagree but that is exactly why this is business and not government run development. Both parties has 'married' with open eyes and then they have second thoughts. Only one of them or both, right or not does not matter.

Re: [Vo]:2nd "ERV" as well as being incomplete has obvious risks of being fraudulent.

Dear Jed, I'm sorry if I missed this in an earlier exchange, but I'm very curious to hear your stance on this especially in light of the events of the last month. With all the information that you have been privy to especially over the last few weeks, what is your stance on the "Rossi

Re: [Vo]:Re: Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Bob, I like that you pointed that out. I have no clue it is so, nor did I observe the Pepsi plant. The reality is that we have too many unknown and speculations becomes very 'wide'. We need to wait and judge until we are better informed. It ought be a quick answer. Both parties should benefit from

Re: [Vo]:2nd "ERV" as well as being incomplete has obvious risks of being fraudulent.

Ian Walker wrote: > On another point; and by way of admonishment. If you are going to report > something in the future state the source and quote what they say, otherwise > you will find yourself entrapped again and once again having to back-pedal > the fantasy. > EVERY

Re: [Vo]:2nd "ERV" as well as being incomplete has obvious risks of being fraudulent.

Ian Walker wrote: > As to the supposed ERV 2 we have seen no proof it exists. In fact the > first we hear of it is from Jed, who then starts to back-pedal quite a bit > about it. > I am not back pedaling about anything! This is nonsense. I never meant to say there is an

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Craig Haynie wrote: > > >> It is for the courts to decide whether the omission of a clause like this >>> prevents the application of common sense... >>> >> >> But I think we agree that

Re: [Vo]: MFMP have seen termal neutrons in GS5.3

The thermal neutrons are something to crow about! IMHO. Bob Cook From: Alberto De Souza Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 7:52 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]: MFMP have seen termal neutrons in GS5.3 >From http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/home/mfmp-blog/522-glowstick-5-3 "Robert

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 9:59 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Craig Haynie wrote: > > >> IH had already paid Rossi $11.5 million, and Rossi had already given IH >> his IP. >> > > I.H. says the device does not work. Therefore the IP is worthless. > My

[Vo]:Re: Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Axil-- I avoided noting this. You are too out spoken. Bob Cook PS: I have thought the Pepsi brewing plant next door to the customer was the real target for the steam, it being sold by the customer at a markup. BC From: Axil Axil Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 8:50 PM To: vortex-l

[Vo]: MFMP have seen termal neutrons in GS5.3

From http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/home/mfmp-blog/522-glowstick-5-3 "Robert Greenyer, 2016-04-14 14:19 Hi All, So, just as we went through approximately 250ºC in the core from calibration (the temp at which excess heat onset occurs according to IH patent application) we saw the TCs

Re: [Vo]:2nd "ERV" as well as being incomplete has obvious risks of being fraudulent.

Hi all As to the supposed ERV 2 we have seen no proof it exists. In fact the first we hear of it is from Jed, who then starts to back-pedal quite a bit about it. I personally think Jed has misunderstood what IH has said perhaps under the instruction of APCO Worldwide as a spun story to trap the

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Jed wrote: "One side or the other is definitely, drastically, 100% certainly wrong. One says the device produces 80 times input, and the other says it produces 1 times input. As I said, I cannot imagine why anyone here thinks Rossi is likely to be right, given his track record of making terrible

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Craig Haynie wrote: > It is for the courts to decide whether the omission of a clause like this >> prevents the application of common sense... >> > > But I think we agree that 'common sense' does not necessarily mean that > either side would have the option to opt-out

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Craig Haynie wrote: > IH had already paid Rossi $11.5 million, and Rossi had already given IH > his IP. > I.H. says the device does not work. Therefore the IP is worthless. If expert witnesses testify that I.H. is correct, and the judge rules in favor of I.H., I.H.

Re: [Vo]:2nd "ERV" as well as being incomplete has obvious risks of being fraudulent.

Peter Gluck wrote: Dear Jed, > > Rossi explains why he does not publish ERV-1 now. > His explanation is nonsense, as I explained in the message titled: "Rossi states his reason for not publishing Penon report." - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 9:14 AM, Eric Walker wrote: > > It is for the courts to decide whether the omission of a clause like this > prevents the application of common sense... > But I think we agree that 'common sense' does not necessarily mean that either side would have

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 7:29 AM, Craig Haynie wrote: No one would pay on that basis... >> > > It would have been easy to write that into the contract. The contract > could have said, "Both IH and Rossi have the option to do an independent > 350 test, and the final

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 3:36 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > > Some people have said that Penon is the sole ERV author listed in the > contract and therefore whatever he says must be accepted by both sides. > Last year I.H. said they would abide by whatever he said, so now

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

Hi Jed, Do you or your contact know by any chance who initially introduced the ERV to the project? Was it AR, IH, or someone else? It seems his role was not for the public verification of the plant but rather as an independent arbitrator between IH and AR. There have been a lot of

Re: [Vo]:2nd "ERV" as well as being incomplete has obvious risks of being fraudulent.

Dear Jed, Rossi explains why he does not publish ERV-1 now. But IH? If ERV-2 makes Rossi checkmate, why they do not publish it now - as a fatal blow, great ace in the dispute? It will be interesting to see how it demonstrates lak of excess heat for a complete year. Messy affair Peter On Wed,

[Vo]:Secrets of the Scientology E meter

 An electrical guy wants a meter to measure a current. He wants the moving indicator to move to the proper value and not overshoot, and not waste his  time waiting for it to stop swinging…so he can read the value it indicates.The E-Meter movement electrically is a normal moving-coil design,